Natural or not?

[Dingleberry]

Sorry, none of my gains came from drug use.  I did one 2 month cycle in 94', gained 30-40lbs in 2 months, of mainly bloat weight.  Dropped it all a few months later, stopped lifting for a few years, started lifting again for another year or so, stopped for 2 years, came back in 2002 at 150lbs.  Made ALL my gains natural.
Show me one juicer who put on 50lbs with drug use, then dropped all of it, then regained it naturally.  Sorry, doesn't happen really.
Nothing to get over, just stating facts. 
Croatch on...
M E L T D O W N
Self Owning
Brutal Honesty

I just watched your videos, very well done.

[Captain Equipoise]

Bodybuilders shouldnt worry bout poundages, more about pump ??
 Right or Wrong ??

I personally don't care if I bench 2 plates, or 3, or 3 1/2
as long as I properly work the muscle and stimulate it to grow, I'm satisfied.
It all depends on what you're going for, some people look like crap and can bench 4 plates, others
will only bench 2 but look unreal in comparison.

[LuciusFox]

I personally don't care if I bench 2 plates, or 3, or 3 1/2
as long as I properly work the muscle and stimulate it to grow, I'm satisfied.
It all depends on what you're going for, some people look like crap and can bench 4 plates, others
will only bench 2 but look unreal in comparison.

  That's how you get balloon muscles

[Captain Equipoise]

  That's how you get balloon muscles

Balloon muscles ?!

[Captain Equipoise]

It's bullshit.

A little healthy competition among the naturals should help dispell these ridiculous prejudices. We have several naturals here on GetBig who weigh over 200 lbs, bench/squat/deadlift in the 300/400/500 region, yet are afraid to post pics/vids for fear of the hate and negativity. Not to mention the hijacking of threads with endless "Squad" self-amusement and in-jokes..."Monster triceps", "What a Beast" etc. etc.

Which is a pity.

That's great, but how are you going to prove that everyone who enters really is a natural ?!?! if it's really so hard to tell if someone is juicing or not (per Croatch's example) then how will you be sure? on everyone's good word? who's that say that a guy that's juiced to the gills won't win this thing?

[LuciusFox]

Balloon muscles ?!

 Big,shiny and voluminous muscles with no maturity and that lack strength.

[Captain Equipoise]

Big,shiny and voluminous muscles with no maturity and that lack strength.

Hate to rain on your parade, but maturity in muscle comes from years and years of training, whether you're going extremely heavy or just heavy makes no real difference. Just so we understand each other, I'm not talking about going ultra light, you do need (as JaeJonna pointed out) some good resistance to build good quality muscle, but I think going extremely heavy is just pointless unless you're trying to be a powerlifter. Muscle grows from continuos breakdown of tissue and replenishment of glycogen, proteins and so on, the real difference is in the form, why do you think some people are so strong but look like complete garbage ?! it's not just bad genetics, a lot of it has to do with proper and improper form.

[LuciusFox]

Hate to rain on your parade, but maturity in muscle comes from years and years of training, whether you're going extremely heavy or just heavy makes no real difference. Just so we understand each other, I'm not talking about going ultra light, you do need (as JaeJonna pointed out) some good resistance to build good quality muscle, but I think going extremely heavy is just pointless unless you're trying to be a powerlifter. Muscle grows from continuos breakdown of tissue and replenishment of glycogen, proteins and so on, the real difference is in the form, why do you think some people are so strong but look like complete garbage ?! it's not just bad genetics, a lot of it has to do with proper and improper form.

 I realize that it takes years to build muscle maturity. But to have balloon muscles you need to lack muscle maturity and strength, suggesting that you built the muscle quickly with chemical assistance.

[Captain Equipoise]

I realize that it takes years to build muscle maturity. But to have balloon muscles you need to lack muscle maturity and strength, suggesting that you built the muscle quickly with chemical assistance.

Chemical assistance is temporary, at least for the most part.. you may be able to move past a plateau but you won't look the same or have the same kind of strength.

[LuciusFox]

Chemical assistance is temporary, at least for the most part.. you may be able to move past a plateau but you won't look the same or have the same kind of strength.

  Yeah, I'm just talking about the look in general. Think Chris Cook earlier in his career.

[240 is Back]

  Yeah, I'm just talking about the look in general. Think Chris Cook earlier in his career.

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[Captain Equipoise]

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Pasty white guy...

[HERACLES]

I personally don't care if I bench 2 plates, or 3, or 3 1/2
as long as I properly work the muscle and stimulate it to grow, I'm satisfied.
It all depends on what you're going for, some people look like crap and can bench 4 plates, others
will only bench 2 but look unreal in comparison.

So true..SO true..

[LuciusFox]

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 No, earlier in his career.