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Protests - Why riot, loot and attack?
« on: June 06, 2020, 06:46:13 AM »
Here's my take and I'd like to read what your view/responses are surrounding these events. Remember, this is only my opinion, please don't take offense and assume I am trying to downplay our current reality.

I don't believe these protests have as much to do with George Floyd as many are making it out to be. By many, I mean the mainstream media and certain small anti-government groups that are trying to make this man a martyr. I think these protests are truly due to a culmination of many things at play that are simply being united by a perfect storm of cascading events. Let me explain.

Regarding George Floyd (aka Floyd the Landlord), the fact stands that every American regardless of race, color or cultural background deserves a fair trial in court, if a crime is committed. The issue surrounding George Floyd is not whether he was an upstanding individual worthy of becoming a martyr for a cause. On the contrary, George Floyd wasn't a model citizen. He was a regular guy, working a few jobs, that had done some porn and been arrested a few times, who apparently was trying to purchase items at a local store with counterfeit money. The major issue here is not whether he was a hero or someone of value in the African American community, but instead that as a black American, he, like many other black Americans, got killed after receiving a trial that occurred at a street corner under the unilateral pressure of four white-colored shins. African Americans and minorities alike aren't making t-shirts with George Floyd on them to suggest he was some type of hero, instead George Floyd stands as a symbol of what's wrong with America today. George Floyd can be anyone, you can exchange George Floyd for George Jefferson and it wouldn't make a difference. It's not so much about the individual that was killed or the fact that he was troubled with a heavy criminal past, instead it's about the fact that we've seen this story play out many, many times again over the last 400 years. What started hundreds of years ago via small backwoods displays with tools involving trees, ropes in the form of nooses or sometimes knives and bullets, has now been simplified to even that of choke-holds and asphyxiation techniques, but is being aired on national media outlets. The fact that, more times than not, law enforcement would disarm and arrest a white criminal following a heinous crime in order to arrive at a fair trial in court, but would probably execute said criminal on the spot if they were black and found to have committed the same heinous act is where the problem lies behind the Floyd (or insert any African American's last name who has been assassinated by cops) case.

What do I really feel are the key ingredients that brought about these protests? Again, going back to what my sentiments have been for quite some time now, I believe it's due to the following events all culminating in civil unrest:

  • Worldwide pandemic
  • Death of hundreds of thousands
  • Governments that don't know enough or are not being completely truthful with their citizens about this disease
  • Tanking of world economy
  • Millions losing jobs
  • Social & economic injustice running rampant (particularly rich vs poor, regardless of race)
  • Sleeper cells of people that were already tired and disgusted with this capitalistic system that favors the dirty rich or dirty poor, but crushes the struggling middle class
  • Racial inequality as seen with the numerous cases of black homicides over the years by the hands of law enforcement and government
  • The presence of many mentally unstable people (think psychopaths) and former convicts that have been sitting around waiting for an event like this to let loose
  • Various internal terrorist groups like Antifa that are anti-fascism, but are very cleverly doing their part to incite violent riots

These are the elements that I think mainly contribute to what is occurring now within our city streets. George Floyd was the necessary catalyst that was needed to light the gasoline trail in order to burn the system down. Because of the aforementioned elements being at play is why I don't think Floyd's killing was as big of a deal as the media is making it out to be. I believe that if not for the last 3 months' worth of stay-at-home orders and the fact that people were going stir crazy and dying for an opportunity to unleash/show their dissatisfaction with our government and leaders, that this wouldn't be happening. If Floyd would have been killed a year ago, under the same circumstances, there might have been some local protests in Minneapolis, but I doubt it would have become a worldwide phenomenon as it has now. A year ago, people would have been too busy with work, consumerist culture, social influencers and their own private struggles to care so much about a random African American.

Like all things, this will lead to change. The Civil rights act came to fruition after people rioted for days following the death of Martin Luther King. These events will undoubtedly lead to some level of civil rights and law enforcement reform.

What I still can't understand is why the rioting/looting is also occurring in inner-city neighborhoods that are mostly inhabited by minorities. You see, with the exception of the major outlets like Target, Walmart etc, the vast majority of those community businesses are owned by local business owners (African American, Asian, Arab and Hispanic). By destroying those businesses, the looters are helping the same system they are trying to protest against. They are serving as the strong-armed Uncle Toms beating on the other field negros. By destroying those businesses, they are pushing resources out of their communities, pushing away local job creators and further paving the way for Target and Walmart to expand deeper into their communities, which will then lead to more gentrification, which is what I thought they were also trying to stop. All of which makes me wonder if those particular people (looters destroying their own communities) are just too stupid to realize how badly they fuck themselves in the process.

In any case, what are your views? I'd like to know where you stand.

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Here's my take and I'd like to read what your view/responses are surrounding these events. Remember, this is only my opinion, please don't take offense and assume I am trying to downplay our current reality.

I don't believe these protests have as much to do with George Floyd as many are making it out to be. By many, I mean the mainstream media and certain small anti-government groups that are trying to make this man a martyr. I think these protests are truly due to a culmination of many things at play that are simply being united by a perfect storm of cascading events. Let me explain.

Regarding George Floyd (aka Floyd the Landlord), the fact stands that every American regardless of race, color or cultural background deserves a fair trial in court, if a crime is committed. The issue surrounding George Floyd is not whether he was an upstanding individual worthy of becoming a martyr for a cause. On the contrary, George Floyd wasn't a model citizen. He was a regular guy, working a few jobs, that had done some porn and been arrested a few times, who apparently was trying to purchase items at a local store with counterfeit money. The major issue here is not whether he was a hero or someone of value in the African American community, but instead that as a black American, he, like many other black Americans, got killed after receiving a trial that occurred at a street corner under the unilateral pressure of four white-colored shins. African Americans and minorities alike aren't making t-shirts with George Floyd on them to suggest he was some type of hero, instead George Floyd stands as a symbol of what's wrong with America today. George Floyd can be anyone, you can exchange George Floyd for George Jefferson and it wouldn't make a difference. It's not so much about the individual that was killed or the fact that he was troubled with a heavy criminal past, instead it's about the fact that we've seen this story play out many, many times again over the last 400 years. What started hundreds of years ago via small backwoods displays with tools involving trees, ropes in the form of nooses or sometimes knives and bullets, has now been simplified to even that of choke-holds and asphyxiation techniques, but is being aired on national media outlets. The fact that, more times than not, law enforcement would disarm and arrest a white criminal following a heinous crime in order to arrive at a fair trial in court, but would probably execute said criminal on the spot if they were black and found to have committed the same heinous act is where the problem lies behind the Floyd (or insert any African American's last name who has been assassinated by cops) case.

What do I really feel are the key ingredients that brought about these protests? Again, going back to what my sentiments have been for quite some time now, I believe it's due to the following events all culminating in civil unrest:

  • Worldwide pandemic
  • Death of hundreds of thousands
  • Governments that don't know enough or are not being completely truthful with their citizens about this disease
  • Tanking of world economy
  • Millions losing jobs
  • Social & economic injustice running rampant (particularly rich vs poor, regardless of race)
  • Sleeper cells of people that were already tired and disgusted with this capitalistic system that favors the dirty rich or dirty poor, but crushes the struggling middle class
  • Racial inequality as seen with the numerous cases of black homicides over the years by the hands of law enforcement and government
  • The presence of many mentally unstable people (think psychopaths) and former convicts that have been sitting around waiting for an event like this to let loose
  • Various internal terrorist groups like Antifa that are anti-fascism, but are very cleverly doing their part to incite violent riots

These are the elements that I think mainly contribute to what is occurring now within our city streets. George Floyd was the necessary catalyst that was needed to light the gasoline trail in order to burn the system down. Because of the aforementioned elements being at play is why I don't think Floyd's killing was as big of a deal as the media is making it out to be. I believe that if not for the last 3 months' worth of stay-at-home orders and the fact that people were going stir crazy and dying for an opportunity to unleash/show their dissatisfaction with our government and leaders, that this wouldn't be happening. If Floyd would have been killed a year ago, under the same circumstances, there might have been some local protests in Minneapolis, but I doubt it would have become a worldwide phenomenon as it has now. A year ago, people would have been too busy with work, consumerist culture, social influencers and their own private struggles to care so much about a random African American.

Like all things, this will lead to change. The Civil rights act came to fruition after people rioted for days following the death of Martin Luther King. These events will undoubtedly lead to some level of civil rights and law enforcement reform.

What I still can't understand is why the rioting/looting is also occurring in inner-city neighborhoods that are mostly inhabited by minorities. You see, with the exception of the major outlets like Target, Walmart etc, the vast majority of those community businesses are owned by local business owners (African American, Asian, Arab and Hispanic). By destroying those businesses, the looters are helping the same system they are trying to protest against. They are serving as the strong-armed Uncle Toms beating on the other field negros. By destroying those businesses, they are pushing resources out of their communities, pushing away local job creators and further paving the way for Target and Walmart to expand deeper into their communities, which will then lead to more gentrification, which is what I thought they were also trying to stop. All of which makes me wonder if those particular people (looters destroying their own communities) are just too stupid to realize how badly they fuck themselves in the process.

In any case, what are your views? I'd like to know where you stand.

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The looting is about getting free stuff.

The rioting happens when you get a whole bunch of stressed out people together in large groups.

The mob. 

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Im not a black man so i wouldnt try to understand and neither should you


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heres good-goy taylor take


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Im not a black man so i wouldnt try to understand and neither should you

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it is an election year -> trump must go

covid , "racism"  riots => perfect storm

they will drag this out as much as they can


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One, not gonna quote your post (because it was on Matt levels of length  ;D) but everything you said is pretty much spot on, other than it being four white shins on the dude. Looking at the pics of the officers, at least two were not what we would call “white”.

The first point under your bullet points is spot on. The collective subconscious or whatever you want to call it, is going crazy with all of the lockdown and panic. Solid post as usual.

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Looting is transition to freedom
 Deal with it and shut up

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The events that lead to where we are today is NOT a coincidence.  IMO, it was all planned that way... it's just too perfect.

The left is exploiting a false narrative to drive a socialist/communist agenda.  Blacks need to realize they are being used as tools by the left.  Most of them will never realize this.

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1 Black, 1 Asian, and 2 Whites

are the new 4 white-colored  ???








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Impossible , my kid was in my basement playing video games at the moment of arrest . ::)

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Looting completely negates any point they are pretending they are trying to prove and lowers them down to absolute human garbage barely any better than rapists and peadophiles, I truly wish every case of mass looting the response was for the military to turn up with automatic weapons and spray bullets till everything ceases to move, fucking vile worthless filthy animals that serve no purpose in civilised society so deserve to be wiped out

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Looting is transition to freedom
 Deal with it and shut up

Like the blacks who are rioting, you're being used as a tool by rich Jewish bankers that own the world to help them maintain their power and control. 

Please stop raging, take a breath and try some critical thinking for a change.

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Like the blacks who are rioting, you're being used as a tool by rich Jewish bankers that own the world to help them maintain their power and control. 

Please stop raging, take a breath and try some critical thinking for a change.

 You're overcomplicating things. That's how the U.S. run

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What I still can't understand is why the rioting/looting is also occurring in inner-city neighborhoods that are mostly inhabited by minorities. You see, with the exception of the major outlets like Target, Walmart etc, the vast majority of those community businesses are owned by local business owners (African American, Asian, Arab and Hispanic). By destroying those businesses, the looters are helping the same system they are trying to protest against. They are serving as the strong-armed Uncle Toms beating on the other field negros. By destroying those businesses, they are pushing resources out of their communities, pushing away local job creators and further paving the way for Target and Walmart to expand deeper into their communities, which will then lead to more gentrification, which is what I thought they were also trying to stop. All of which makes me wonder if those particular people (looters destroying their own communities) are just too stupid to realize how badly they fuck themselves in the process.

In any case, what are your views? I'd like to know where you stand.

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These guys just want free stuff or they're living out a violent fantasy. I read a lot of rap music message boards, etc...., and all it comes down to on the young black side is that they want free shit. They'll maybe write 2-3 lines about being mad at the police, then paragraphs lamenting that they couldn't make it to the looting of Gucci, or running totals of what they've seen or stolen from Nike, Supreme, etc.... They know that no one is probably going to get in trouble for it, so why not wild out. If anyone older talks about gentrification, the stealing being wrong, etc..... it's "Shut up nigg-a, you a c-oon" or some lame attempt to justify it claiming that people are angry, and stuff is just stuff.

On the white side, it's a mix of kids thieving for profit, thieving to be down, and just wanting to live out some GTA fantasy of a lawless society.

Also one thing none of these young people of any race get is that it always costs money to rebuild anything. They all figure that "insurance will fix it"  ::) :(.




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Word is out about who he really was: A POS.

It’s back to Corona.

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Here's my take and I'd like to read what your view/responses are surrounding these events. Remember, this is only my opinion, please don't take offense and assume I am trying to downplay our current reality.

I don't believe these protests have as much to do with George Floyd as many are making it out to be. By many, I mean the mainstream media and certain small anti-government groups that are trying to make this man a martyr. I think these protests are truly due to a culmination of many things at play that are simply being united by a perfect storm of cascading events. Let me explain.

Regarding George Floyd (aka Floyd the Landlord), the fact stands that every American regardless of race, color or cultural background deserves a fair trial in court, if a crime is committed. The issue surrounding George Floyd is not whether he was an upstanding individual worthy of becoming a martyr for a cause. On the contrary, George Floyd wasn't a model citizen. He was a regular guy, working a few jobs, that had done some porn and been arrested a few times, who apparently was trying to purchase items at a local store with counterfeit money. The major issue here is not whether he was a hero or someone of value in the African American community, but instead that as a black American, he, like many other black Americans, got killed after receiving a trial that occurred at a street corner under the unilateral pressure of four white-colored shins. African Americans and minorities alike aren't making t-shirts with George Floyd on them to suggest he was some type of hero, instead George Floyd stands as a symbol of what's wrong with America today. George Floyd can be anyone, you can exchange George Floyd for George Jefferson and it wouldn't make a difference. It's not so much about the individual that was killed or the fact that he was troubled with a heavy criminal past, instead it's about the fact that we've seen this story play out many, many times again over the last 400 years. What started hundreds of years ago via small backwoods displays with tools involving trees, ropes in the form of nooses or sometimes knives and bullets, has now been simplified to even that of choke-holds and asphyxiation techniques, but is being aired on national media outlets. The fact that, more times than not, law enforcement would disarm and arrest a white criminal following a heinous crime in order to arrive at a fair trial in court, but would probably execute said criminal on the spot if they were black and found to have committed the same heinous act is where the problem lies behind the Floyd (or insert any African American's last name who has been assassinated by cops) case.

What do I really feel are the key ingredients that brought about these protests? Again, going back to what my sentiments have been for quite some time now, I believe it's due to the following events all culminating in civil unrest:

  • Worldwide pandemic
  • Death of hundreds of thousands
  • Governments that don't know enough or are not being completely truthful with their citizens about this disease
  • Tanking of world economy
  • Millions losing jobs
  • Social & economic injustice running rampant (particularly rich vs poor, regardless of race)
  • Sleeper cells of people that were already tired and disgusted with this capitalistic system that favors the dirty rich or dirty poor, but crushes the struggling middle class
  • Racial inequality as seen with the numerous cases of black homicides over the years by the hands of law enforcement and government
  • The presence of many mentally unstable people (think psychopaths) and former convicts that have been sitting around waiting for an event like this to let loose
  • Various internal terrorist groups like Antifa that are anti-fascism, but are very cleverly doing their part to incite violent riots

These are the elements that I think mainly contribute to what is occurring now within our city streets. George Floyd was the necessary catalyst that was needed to light the gasoline trail in order to burn the system down. Because of the aforementioned elements being at play is why I don't think Floyd's killing was as big of a deal as the media is making it out to be. I believe that if not for the last 3 months' worth of stay-at-home orders and the fact that people were going stir crazy and dying for an opportunity to unleash/show their dissatisfaction with our government and leaders, that this wouldn't be happening. If Floyd would have been killed a year ago, under the same circumstances, there might have been some local protests in Minneapolis, but I doubt it would have become a worldwide phenomenon as it has now. A year ago, people would have been too busy with work, consumerist culture, social influencers and their own private struggles to care so much about a random African American.

Like all things, this will lead to change. The Civil rights act came to fruition after people rioted for days following the death of Martin Luther King. These events will undoubtedly lead to some level of civil rights and law enforcement reform.

What I still can't understand is why the rioting/looting is also occurring in inner-city neighborhoods that are mostly inhabited by minorities. You see, with the exception of the major outlets like Target, Walmart etc, the vast majority of those community businesses are owned by local business owners (African American, Asian, Arab and Hispanic). By destroying those businesses, the looters are helping the same system they are trying to protest against. They are serving as the strong-armed Uncle Toms beating on the other field negros. By destroying those businesses, they are pushing resources out of their communities, pushing away local job creators and further paving the way for Target and Walmart to expand deeper into their communities, which will then lead to more gentrification, which is what I thought they were also trying to stop. All of which makes me wonder if those particular people (looters destroying their own communities) are just too stupid to realize how badly they fuck themselves in the process.

In any case, what are your views? I'd like to know where you stand.

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I agree with most of the things you said.

I myself wanted to make a similar thread but I hesitated due to the racist and lunatics answers I guessed I'd get.

First off, for those lunatics that try to make the riots a conspiracy theory, fuck off lol.

Now, I think that although it's a collecction of many, many situations that lead to this, the root cause for the riots can be roughly summed up as a general perception of unfairness.

Key word, perception. It's not about facts, but about what people perceive the motivation for the riots.

Capitalist societies seem unfair in the eyes of poor people. Protestors in Chile* rioted after public transportation increased some USD 0.04, but not because the increase by itself, but because they perceive they live in an unfair society, where the rich is not paying their fair share. Again, this is about perception. Taxing the hell out of the rich won't solve poverty, but people think it will, and not doing it infuriates them.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Chilean_protests


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One, not gonna quote your post (because it was on Matt levels of length  ;D) but everything you said is pretty much spot on, other than it being four white shins on the dude. Looking at the pics of the officers, at least two were not what we would call “white”.

You're absolutely right. My post was way too long and did resemble Matt's usual style, which I'm trying to leave in Matt's capable hands. Also, you're right in that only two of those cops were white.

Surprised the black community isn't making it a bigger fuss about the black and asian cop.

If you consider the black cop directly involved, almost makes you wonder whether black life mattered to him at all.

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You're absolutely right. My post was way too long and did resemble Matt's usual style, which I'm trying to leave in Matt's capable hands. Also, you're right in that only two of those cops were white.

Surprised the black community isn't making it a bigger fuss about the black and asian cop.

If you consider the black cop directly involved, almost makes you wonder whether black life mattered to him at all.

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No community would be making a big deal out of anything if the media didn't exploit and manipulate their emotions.
The media is our enemy.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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The poor in this country are the most obese people in the world. I saw a lot of the white protesters, tons of fat chicks. So, the idea that people here are deprived is a joke. By world standards, American poor live like kings.

Of course apologists for socialism will say these people don’t have access to good nutrition. So tell me to which food do they not have access? Eggs? Vegetables? Chicken? Pasta? That’s pretty much all I eat.

In NYC there are fruit stands in the street that have bags of 3 heads of romaine lettuce for $2.

The reality is that the Democratic Party has no choice but to play the race card. Without it, what do they have left? Policies, ideology and culture.

Socialist simply do not like the capitalist system and want to see it overthrown and look for every opportunity to do so. This is just the latest excuse.

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The reality is that the Democratic Party has no choice but to play the race card. Without it, what do they have left? Policies, ideology and culture.

Is there any foreseeable way for Trump to win re-election given the level of attack he has taken since the start of his presidency and further accentuated during 2020 in what looks to be dragged out all the way until November?

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