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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2006, 10:49:48 AM »
Have Rusty enter the show since you've positioned yourself as the president of his fan club.
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2006, 10:50:38 AM »
Put your pipe down and move back to the X, Y or Z board where your logic makes sense.

By the way, isn't it ironic that LIFT, the established web/promotions guy in the BBing field, is resorting to insults like 'put down the pipe' and insulting the fans he's marketing to, when debating with an up-and-coming web/promotions guy?

Let's talk facts, LIFT.  Let's talk 2006 fan mindset.  Let's talk about why your marketing strategy does not take current events into account.  Let's talk about why there are 10,000 posts about Rusty and zero about Willmore/Haley, and why your promotional activites are not taking this into consideration.  If I was Shawn or any shareholder in this event, I'd be doing a little thinking this am.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2006, 10:55:12 AM »
Have Rusty enter the show since you've positioned yourself as the president of his fan club.

Shit i'd put $20 towards a ticket for the guy to get there... If he stayed on his diet and came in 5% sharper he'd stir up the pot

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2006, 10:55:30 AM »
There is much more beyond the bodybuilding competition...

UFC pros, AFC fighters, Strongman competition, FREE Strength & Fitness EXPO and the chance to win an H3!
You can see all the details at:
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2006, 10:57:09 AM »
There is much more beyond the bodybuilding competition...

UFC pros, AFC fighters, Strongman competition, FREE Strength & Fitness EXPO and the chance to win an H3!
You can see all the details at:
http://www.coloradoproshow.com

Nice commercial.  But you are avoiding the discussion. I repeat:

Let's talk facts, LIFT.  Let's talk 2006 fan mindset.  Let's talk about why your marketing strategy does not take current events into account.  Let's talk about why there are 10,000 posts about Rusty and zero about Willmore/Haley, and why your promotional activites are not taking this into consideration.  If I was Shawn or any shareholder in this event, I'd be doing a little thinking this am.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2006, 11:01:46 AM »
Nice commercial.  But you are avoiding the discussion. I repeat:

Let's talk facts, LIFT.  Let's talk 2006 fan mindset.  Let's talk about why your marketing strategy does not take current events into account.  Let's talk about why there are 10,000 posts about Rusty and zero about Willmore/Haley, and why your promotional activites are not taking this into consideration.  If I was Shawn or any shareholder in this event, I'd be doing a little thinking this am.

Here we go with the business high horse...

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2006, 11:05:50 AM »
No wonder why bodybuilders and their shows make zero dollars......Dumb people like Lift Studios have no sense when it comes to marketing at all.  No idea even how to market himself.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2006, 11:09:57 AM »
No wonder why bodybuilders and their shows make zero dollars......Dumb people like Lift Studios have no sense when it comes to marketing at all.  No idea even how to market himself.
Thanks for the insight Mr. Adonis
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2006, 11:10:19 AM »
No wonder why bodybuilders and their shows make zero dollars......Dumb people like Lift Studios have no sense when it comes to marketing at all.  No idea even how to market himself.

But Isaac waxes his chest.  Doesn't that count for anything?
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2006, 11:13:07 AM »
LIFT, you have argued every statement I made.

Then when I started with legitimate marketing strategy points, you have resorted to ignoring the question and instead posting ads for the show?

This show is very important.  Already, it will be a close call for Shawn to break even on the event in its first year with its high prize monies. Why would you not even consider the fact that the return on a round trip plane ticket for one guy would be greater than its cost, and likely INCREASE show ticket and ad revenues?

There is a very good chance Shawn would make MORE money with Jeffers in the show.  I can't believe you're ignoring this fact.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2006, 11:16:14 AM »
LIFT, you have argued every statement I made.

Then when I started with legitimate marketing strategy points, you have resorted to ignoring the question and instead posting ads for the show?

This show is very important.  Already, it will be a close call for Shawn to break even on the event in its first year with its high prize monies. Why would you not even consider the fact that the return on a round trip plane ticket for one guy would be greater than its cost, and likely INCREASE show ticket and ad revenues?

There is a very good chance Shawn would make MORE money with Jeffers in the show.  I can't believe you're ignoring this fact.

Jeffers has a handful of fans compared to Bob. And half of Jeffers fans now didn't know him before this past week.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2006, 11:19:17 AM »
Jeffers has a handful of fans compared to Bob. And half of Jeffers fans now didn't know him before this past week.

Correct.  BEFORE this past week.  But TODAY, Jeffers' 8th place at the Masters is the most talked about topic on the boards.

Jeffers possesses some great inherent value for the promoter of the next show he enters. 

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2006, 11:25:53 AM »
Correct.  BEFORE this past week.  But TODAY, Jeffers' 8th place at the Masters is the most talked about topic on the boards.

Jeffers possesses some great inherent value for the promoter of the next show he enters.

You're right, it is the most talked about by a handful of people who rant incoherently all the time anyway. And among those rants, the majority of participants agree that Bob was the rightful winner.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2006, 11:27:16 AM »
I have to side with the Lift/Shawn side on this debate. Speaking as a fan not going to the show, I'd be curious to see how Rusty compares with the guys in this show, but it certainly wouldn't make a difference to me in determining whether I'd go to the show. And I highly doubt that having Rusty in the show makes any difference to anyone who hasn't decided to go or not. Rusty doesn't have fans...he has RELATIVE FANS -- people who think he got gypped, but not people who'd pay to see him. Truth be told, he probably wouldn't even get a callout...I mean if he got 8th in the Masters, he'd be a lock for deadlast at the CPro. So having him on the webcast wouldn't make a difference since he'd just be a guy standing in the back row getting ignored again.

Plus, as Lift pointed out, it would be a gargantuan slap in the face to established pros like Darrem and Ahmed to have to fork over their own fares and have a guy on Chick's level get a freebie.

The real question is whether Chick will place top 10 at the Olympia riding all of this "Momentum"

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2006, 11:31:25 AM »
Hey Lift - Who's competiting in the strongman competition? Is Hugo Girard going to be there?

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2006, 11:32:42 AM »
I have to side with the Lift/Shawn side on this debate. Speaking as a fan not going to the show, I'd be curious to see how Rusty compares with the guys in this show, but it certainly wouldn't make a difference to me in determining whether I'd go to the show. And I highly doubt that having Rusty in the show makes any difference to anyone who hasn't decided to go or not. Rusty doesn't have fans...he has RELATIVE FANS -- people who think he got gypped, but not people who'd pay to see him. Truth be told, he probably wouldn't even get a callout...I mean if he got 8th in the Masters, he'd be a lock for deadlast at the CPro. So having him on the webcast wouldn't make a difference since he'd just be a guy standing in the back row getting ignored again.

Plus, as Lift pointed out, it would be a gargantuan slap in the face to established pros like Darrem and Ahmed to have to fork over their own fares and have a guy on Chick's level get a freebie.

The real question is whether Chick will place top 10 at the Olympia riding all of this "Momentum"

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Bob making the top 10 is quite a stretch, but the lineup in the Masters favored Bob. Jeffers himself would get clobbered in Vegas.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2006, 11:36:16 AM »
LIFT, you have argued every statement I made.

Then when I started with legitimate marketing strategy points, you have resorted to ignoring the question and instead posting ads for the show?

This show is very important.  Already, it will be a close call for Shawn to break even on the event in its first year with its high prize monies. Why would you not even consider the fact that the return on a round trip plane ticket for one guy would be greater than its cost, and likely INCREASE show ticket and ad revenues?

There is a very good chance Shawn would make MORE money with Jeffers in the show.  I can't believe you're ignoring this fact.
You're basing your "marketing strategy" based off from your crusade here on getbig. Where were you boys at MD? They are based in New York, yet you failed to mention one thing about them not covering the event on their site.

You have no clue on any of the financials, whether it will be a close call for Shawn or not, so please stop trying to flatter yourself and think you do. Take a poll of the bodybuilding fans and ask them if they would fly to see Rusty Jeffers compete, sadly most would say Rusty who? Hate to break it to you marketing genius but Rusty Jeffers won't get more people in the seats. Street teams, local marketing, local PR will get more people attending the show.

You think anyone who reads getbig sees, wow that Rusty Jeffers guy is in the Colorado show, I better buy a ticket, book my hotel, book my flight and go see him compete?

Your MBA obviously didn't help you in the common sense area of life.
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2006, 11:39:37 AM »
I agree with you entirely, 240!

Jeffers is top news at present and I'd drive a few hundred miles to see how he looks and how the judges place him in this one.

It's not just Jeffers who would draw a good crowd but the whole "how are they gonna rank him this time" sort of thing. It's an EVENT that everyone (pro and con) appears to be interested in at present.

In fact, 240, if I was a promoter I'd even have a "Never a Bridesmaid" consolidation and offer a yearly invite with expenses paid to any competitor who runs into a similar situation just to see if all the hype is accurate and how it will be handled in another venue.

It would also serve to prove if Rusty really is as great as his photos apparently claim him to be.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2006, 11:51:09 AM »
Lift,

I have an MBA and I will tell you definitively you are missing a major point here.  "It's not the steak that sells, its the sizzle".  In this case, the "steak" would be the pros, and the "sizzle" would be the contraversy.   You're right, nobody is booking a plane ticket to see Rusty any more than they are booking a plane ticket to see your companion Darrem, but they want entertainment, and contraversy.  Simply parading a bunch of oiled up muscleboys and ranking them appeals to very few (usually the closeted gay writers and judges of the sport.)
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2006, 12:10:09 PM »
count me in for $20


240, start up a paypal account and lets see what happens
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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2006, 12:13:39 PM »
Sparing in the AFC cage?  Like can anyone show up, or is it just AFC competitors....

Riggs isn't a top pro btw, but maybe he can pick up some diuretics tips from the bodybuilders in attendance... I hear he wants to hit the 155 division now  ;D.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2006, 12:13:44 PM »
count me in for $20


240, start up a paypal account and lets see what happens
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I contacted Rusty about it.  If he accepts and Shawn extends an invitation (even without the plane ticket), I will start a page about it and everyone who donates will assign a username.  All funds will be listed as they come in on a live board, and I won't make a penny off it.   I'll also create a paypal account just for it, and we will reimburse Rusty once plane ticket is purchased (or buy it for him). This could be interesting!  If a lot of us just give a little, Rusty could be the first fan-sponsored athlete!

Also, if it ends or doesn't happen for some reason, everyone gets their money refunded via the Paypal refund option immediately, so no funds are lost.   I will make zero off of this, and will make all donation records public.  I'll even let ROn run the thing for integrity purposes, if you guys prefer.

This could get interesting ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2006, 12:16:42 PM »
I agree he put on a great show.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2006, 12:17:33 PM »
Will the fans also cover the guys food/lodging as well?   I'm sure it costs more than a plane ticket to compete in a bodybuilding show.

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Re: Shawn Ray should get smart and fly Rusty to Denver for his show...
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2006, 12:20:02 PM »
Yeah, if Rusty & Shawn both agree, I'll call Ron and get him to learn the approximate numbers needed for complete plane tix (Rusty + guest?) and food/lodging.  We'll set a donation ceiling/cutoff that we MUST have to compete, and get rusty.  No compete, no pay.   This could be cool!