Protein and a calorie is not a calorie part MMXX

[Al Doggity]

So, I always take exact numbers like this with a grain of salt, but the basic premise  is pretty sound. The guy posits that the body just isn't efficient at turning protein into energy and burns a ton of calories just converting it into energy and attempting to store it as fat.

We had a thread on here recently, and even though there was a lot of disagreement, there were a lot of interesting concepts discussed and this wraps a lot of them up.

[Humble Narcissist]

A balanced diet works for anyone except for the last few weeks of a pre contest prep.

[loco]

A balanced diet works for anyone except for the last few weeks of a pre contest prep.

What's a balanced diet, and who sets its definition and standards?

[Humble Narcissist]

What's a balanced diet, and who sets its definition and standards?

I mean anything that isn't extreme limiting carbs, protein or fats.  People all over the world lived on various types of diets without the "science" of eating.

[Al Doggity]

Yeah, that's perfect reflexive conventional wisdom, but some diets may be more effective than others, regardless of the fact that different things were done in the past.


However, my point in posting this wasn't really even to endorse one diet over  another. Just that I think this is a pretty viable explanation of a topic that has been discussed a lot around here.  We had a thread not that long ago where we talked about a lot of  concepts related to this- the crossover concept, fats having a higher oxidization point when they burn, etc.   

[Humble Narcissist]

A calorie is a calorie.  Eat 1,800 calories a day high carb for a month and you will lose weight.  Gain the weight back and then eat a high protein diet of 1,800 calories a day and you will again lose weight.  Same with high fat diet.

[loco]

A calorie is a calorie.  Eat 1,800 calories a day high carb for a month and you will lose weight.  Gain the weight back and then eat a high protein diet of 1,800 calories a day and you will again lose weight.  Same with high fat diet.

You may lose weight either way, but you'll also lose more muscle, raise your triglycerides, develop insulin resistance and possibly diabetes, develop fatty liver, and increase your risk of developing many other health issues on the high carb diet than you would on a high protein/fat diet.

[Humble Narcissist]

You may lose weight either way, but you'll also lose more muscle, raise your triglycerides, develop insulin resistance and possibly diabetes, develop fatty liver, and increase your risk of developing many other health issues on the high carb diet than you would on a high protein/fat diet.

Nonsense.  Eskimos, Okinawans, Turkish mountain people, Amazonian tribes, Europeans, Africans, Mediterraneans, etc, etc, all have radically different diets with varying levels of carbs, fat and protein.  The common denominator for people who live long is how many calories they ingest.  A person on a low calorie diet is simply healthier.

[loco]

Nonsense.  Eskimos, Okinawans, Turkish mountain people, Amazonian tribes, Europeans, Africans, Mediterraneans, etc, etc, all have radically different diets with varying levels of carbs, fat and protein.  The common denominator for people who live long is how many calories they ingest.  A person on a low calorie diet is simply healthier.

You are correct that drastically reducing calories, and fasting occasionally, is one way to promote good health and longevity, even if those calories come from carbs. But you will lose muscle and have trouble gaining muscle.

If you are consuming a very low calorie diet from carbs, then you aren't consuming many calories from carbs anyway.  So that's probably why in this case carbs don't interfere with a very low calorie diet's ability to improve health and longevity.

Eating more than 150g carbs per day, overtime, will raise your triglycerides, develop insulin resistance and possibly diabetes, develop fatty liver, and increase your risk of developing many other health issues.

The same is not true when consuming more than 150g protein or more than 150g fat per day.  Nutritional ketosis simulates fasting, without restricting calories.