Bob as athlete's rep.....or anyone else for that matter

[Darth Muscle]

I don't understand how anyone who is under contract with a sponser of bodybuilding shows can be objective as a representative for the athlete's.  Look at other sports with effective unions, Gene Upshaw doesn't get paid by the Raiders nor does Donald Fehr get his paychecks from the Yankees or Red Sox. 

As long as "the rep" doesn't get paid by the people he represents, he will never be objective or do what is best for all athlete's.  A true rep would be thrilled at the formation of the PDI, all Bob does is trash them.  Even if the top guys, mainly Ronnie and Jay don't sign off, the other athlete's should.  I mean who would go to a show just to see two guys? 

I little more organization and communication and these guys would get the respect and paydays they deserve, because God knows Muscle-Tech, BSN, and AMI as well as show promoters are making millions upon millions of dollars off the hard work and sacrifice it takes to be a pro bodybuilder.

[LifterChick]

I don't understand how anyone who is under contract with a sponser of bodybuilding shows can be objective as a representative for the athlete's.  Look at other sports with effective unions, Gene Upshaw doesn't get paid by the Raiders nor does Donald Fehr get his paychecks from the Yankees or Red Sox.  As long as "the rep" doesn't get paid by the people he represents, he will never be objective or do what is best for all athlete's.  A true rep would be thrilled at the formation of the PDI, all Bob does is trash them.  Even if the top guys, mainly Ronnie and Jay don't sign off, the other athlete's should.  I mean who would go to a show just to see two guys?  I little more organization and communication and these guys would get the respect and paydays they deserve, because God knows Muscle-Tech, BSN, and AMI as well as show promoters are making millions upon millions of dollars off the hard work and sacrifice it takes to be a pro bodybuilder.

Welcome to last month.  This horse has been beaten into the ground already, over and over and over......

[LuciusFox]

 Bob wants to make sure the PDI is legit because he doesn't want it to fail, which would cause some athletes to be blackballed from the IFBB. Bob is deeply concerned about his fellow bodybuilders. It's not like he is planning to compete for much longer. He does this for them.

[dearth]

Bob wants to make sure the PDI is legit because he doesn't want it to fail, which would cause some athletes to be blackballed from the IFBB. Bob is deeply concerned about his fellow bodybuilders. It's not like he is planning to compete for much longer. He does this for them.

The only thing Bob is deeply concerned about is asking Manion/IFBB/AMI how high?? Do you honsestly think that Bob, based on his own words, has an objective opinion regarding any bodybuilding entity outside of the IFBB?? He has accomplished much as the athletes rep, however that does not remove him from his obvious loyalties/obligations.

[LuciusFox]

The only thing Bob is deeply concerned about is asking Manion/IFBB/AMI how high??
Do you honsestly think that Bob, based on his own words, has an objective opinion regarding any bodybuilding entity outside of the IFBB??
He has accomplished much as the athletes rep, however that does not remove him from his obvious loyalties/obligations.

 He accomplished what he has as athletes rep knowing that he wouldn't compete long enough to really enjoy the benefits.

[Darth Muscle]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=66579.msg982637#msg982637

This post from Bob Chic says it all.  What kind of objective athlete's rep says stuff like that....oh yeah because Rusty should have been compared to and beaten him that's why.

[LuciusFox]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=66579.msg982637#msg982637

This post from Bob Chic says it all.  What kind of objective athlete's rep says stuff like that....oh yeah because Rusty should have been compared to and beaten him that's why.

  It sounds reasonable to me. The judges said Rusty was soft at the prejudging. Case closed.

[Darth Muscle]

  It sounds reasonable to me. The judges said Rusty was soft at the prejudging. Case closed.

Bob should not have been competing regardless of the outcome.  It is a conflict of interest, plain and simple.  Bob put himself in a no win situtation by doing this show.  And yes he should be screaming at the top of his lungs for Rusty, and athlete, represtented by Bob, his duly appointed rep.  His whole "athlete's rep" postion is a joke
and his attitude towards it borders on self-serving.  If he were a Teamster, he would have had his ass kicked three times by now.

[LuciusFox]

Bob should not have been competing regardless of the outcome.  It is a conflict of interest, plain and simple.  Bob put himself in a no win situtation by doing this show.  And yes he should be screaming at the top of his lungs for Rusty, and athlete, represtented by Bob, his duly appointed rep.  His whole "athlete's rep" postion is a joke
and his attitude towards it borders on self-serving.  If he were a Teamster, he would have had his ass kicked three times by now.

  Bob has accomplished plenty as athletes rep. More than you are accomplishing by complaining about him . I agree that future reps should be retired, but when they care as much as Bob, it doesn't matter.

[Darth Muscle]

  Bob has accomplished plenty as athletes rep. More than you are accomplishing by complaining about him . I agree that future reps should be retired, but when they care as much as Bob, it doesn't matter.

Then we agree on one point.  I'm not complaning about Bob the person, but Bob the rep.  You can't honestly say he is objective about PDI. 

[LuciusFox]

Then we agree on one point.  I'm not complaning about Bob the person, but Bob the rep.  You can't honestly say he is objective about PDI. 

  I think he is looking out for the athletes when it comes to the PDI. Remember, Bob has been in the industry for a long time and he remembers the WBF and the blackballing of the pros once they returned to the IFBB. I do agree that future reps should retired. He is not supposed to be representig himself, which he is doing as long as he competes.

[Darth Muscle]

Then he should get Wayne on the talk show and get the other side of the story.  Ask tough questions, who's promoting, prize money, contest, and ect... and get the whole story.  The athlete's he represents would do nothing but benefit from a competing bobybuilding organization.  If you remember, athlete's weren't even under contracts of any kind until Vince came along with the WBF.

[LuciusFox]

Then he should get Wayne on the talk show and get the other side of the story.  Ask tough questions, who's promoting, prize money, contest, and ect... and get the whole story.  The athlete's he represents would do nothing but benefit from a competing bobybuilding organization.  If you remember, athlete's weren't even under contracts of any kind until Vince came along with the WBF.

 That's a great point. Even if the PDI fails, it will probably change bodybuilding for the better.

[dearth]

He accomplished what he has as athletes rep knowing that he wouldn't compete long enough to really enjoy the benefits. Once you understand the sacrifice that Jesus made for you, you might begin to understand Bob.

Once you understand that Bob is an AMI employee you will understand.

Please explain in some detail what exactly Bob has "sacrificed" and please
do not spare any elaboration on the relevance that Jesus has with Bob being a lackey.

[Captain Equipoise]

For bob it's all about the fans.

[LuciusFox]

Once you understand that Bob is an AMI employee you will understand.

Please explain in some detail what exactly Bob has "sacrificed" and please
do not spare any elaboration on the relevance that Jesus has with Bob being a lackey.

  Bob has sacrificed his time and he is being crucified on this board for being athletes rep. He does it because he cares, even if none of you think he does. For he so loved bodybuilding, that he sacrificed his time and energy so that bodybuilders could benefit for the forseeable future.

[HowieW]

I don't understand how anyone who is under contract with a sponser of bodybuilding shows can be objective as a representative for the athlete's.  Look at other sports with effective unions, Gene Upshaw doesn't get paid by the Raiders nor does Donald Fehr get his paychecks from the Yankees or Red Sox.  As long as "the rep" doesn't get paid by the people he represents, he will never be objective or do what is best for all athlete's.  A true rep would be thrilled at the formation of the PDI, all Bob does is trash them.  Even if the top guys, mainly Ronnie and Jay don't sign off, the other athlete's should.  I mean who would go to a show just to see two guys?  I little more organization and communication and these guys would get the respect and paydays they deserve, because God knows Muscle-Tech, BSN, and AMI as well as show promoters are making millions upon millions of dollars off the hard work and sacrifice it takes to be a pro bodybuilder.

This is a great point my friend and gets to the essence of what is wrong with bodybuilding now.
At the last shows I judged I was the only, yup the only judge that made their living from OUTSIDE of the gym/bodybuilding-nutrition-trainer, etc  industry. While I make consistant picks I notice I get fewer class each year to come judge as well.I am considered an outsider and I don't seem to fit in like years past. It has become pretty much of a click now. EVERY judge and official has a vested interest in the fitness/gym/bodybuilding inductry now.Many are very credible decent folks like Jon Lynsay of southern Cal, as are others.
In my opinion it is hard for me to believe it is 100% objective when everyone is involved with the industry for their living.I always took pride that as a judge, I could be 100% UNbiased because I had no vested $$$ in anything to do with bodybuilding. Howard

It has become a very insular enviroment and answers why the sport is in the shape it is.
Howard

[bigdumbbell]

This is a great point my friend and gets to the essence of what is wrong with bodybuilding now.
At the last shows I judged I was the only, yup the only judge that made their living from OUTSIDE of the gym/bodybuilding-nutrition-trainer, etc  industry. While I make consistant picks I notice I get fewer class each year to come judge as well.I am considered an outsider and I don't seem to fit in like years past. It has become pretty much of a click now. EVERY judge and official has a vested interest in the fitness/gym/bodybuilding inductry now.Many are very credible decent folks like Jon Lynsay of southern Cal, as are others.
In my opinion it is hard for me to believe it is 100% objective when everyone is involved with the industry for their living.I always took pride that as a judge, I could be 100% UNbiased because I had no vested $$$ in anything to do with bodybuilding. Howard

It has become a very insular enviroment and answers why the sport is in the shape it is.
Howard

good post 

[onlyme]

I truly believe that we are and Chic throws around the word "rep" to much.  He is not a rep.  He is a liaison between the IFBB pros only and the IFBB. He doesn't representive anyone.  He has never and will never represnt any BB as a true representative does.  He takes issues which are concerns of his and a few others and then submits them to the IFBB for change or improvement.  That is all he does.  And in fact most of the issues are not 100% or even 50% voted on by the IFBB pros themselves.  In fact has there ever been a ballot submitted to every IFBB pro and if so have at least 50% of those ballots been returned completed and signed.  I don't think so. 

A rep would go in and represent the group as a whole and as individuals.  Like if Rusty was to call Chic and ask him to get the scorecards from the show immeditely and see how he was scored officially.  And have the head judge or whoever explain why he was placed so far down that it appeared questionable in the results.  I

As much as I like CHic I still think he is spinning his wheels in the big picture.  But easily it is a fact he is not a rep but rather than a liaison.

[Ron]

I think that is correct. Bob is the liason between the IFBB and the IFBB Men Bodybuilder's Pros.  But he does have the right to make motions at meetings (I think there are three of them per yet, the next one is usually around the New York Pro in May).

You guys are way too harsh on Bob. Bob needs pros to give him complaints and suggesstions. Bob then takes these to the IFBB on behalf of them. If he has suggestions, he brings it to them. They can accept or reject his suggestions and motions. End of story.

Like it or not, Bob has made some great suggestions and has tried. He is devoted to bodybuilding, and cares. If you want, I will debate with you on that as much as you wish. Regardless of who Bob works for (Bodybuilding.com), etc, many of us are part of the industry.

If Rusty wanted to complain about it, he could ask a judge, give Bob a letter asking exactly what happened, etc.

Also, the athletes need to care.

Do you know how many athletes came to the meeting in Columbus. Who cared. Less than 8. What the hell is that. Is that support for your athlete's rep. No.

So Bob is trying the best that he can do, but it is not an easy job. Shawn Ray will tell you that.

[LuciusFox]

I think that is correct. Bob is the liason between the IFBB and the IFBB Men Bodybuilder's Pros.  But he does have the right to make motions at meetings (I think there are three of them per yet, the next one is usually around the New York Pro in May).

You guys are way too harsh on Bob. Bob needs pros to give him complaints and suggesstions. Bob then takes these to the IFBB on behalf of them. If he has suggestions, he brings it to them. They can accept or reject his suggestions and motions. End of story.

Like it or not, Bob has made some great suggestions and has tried. He is devoted to bodybuilding, and cares. If you want, I will debate with you on that as much as you wish. Regardless of who Bob works for (Bodybuilding.com), etc, many of us are part of the industry.

If Rusty wanted to complain about it, he could ask a judge, give Bob a letter asking exactly what happened, etc.

Also, the athletes need to care.

Do you know how many athletes came to the meeting in Columbus. Who cared. Less than 8. What the hell is that. Is that support for your athlete's rep. No.

So Bob is trying the best that he can do, but it is not an easy job. Shawn Ray will tell you that.

 I'm glad someone is willing to say how much work Bob has put in as athletes rep. It is quite admirable, especially considering the limited support from his fellow pros.

[bigdumbbell]

bob deserved the win because he gets diss'ed as liason

[LuciusFox]

bob deserved the win because he gets diss'ed as liason

    Bob soldiered through the adversity while singing "I Shall Not Be Moved"

[Wombat]

Has Bob had to get "cozy" with Betty Weider...I wonder if it was part of the contact?

[benchmstr]

i really dont like bob either but at least he is a hell of a lot better than shawn ray