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[Humble Narcissist]

Wonder why they dont drug test people who are claiming benefits from the state...

It would be the end of welfare.

[ThisisOverload]

Why do they need to change it?  If you owned the company would you want stoned employees?

I don't think it's any worse than taking anti-anxiety medication or pain killers at work, which as long as you have a prescription it doesn't count against you for employment.  THC stays in the body for a long time; i just think it's silly that people can drink themselves to sleep and take pain killers, opiates, other anxiety medications that really mess up your mind, but THC is still banned.  If it's legal to use it, there is no test that can tell you if they took it before bed or on the way to work, just like pills.

I work with a young guy who's jacked up on Adderall and Xanax all day long, he's very open about it.  He has prescriptions for it and all HR can do is tell him not to talk about it, but in reality he can if he wants to.  He's actually a pretty good worker and gets all his work done, so no reason to complain really. 

A stoned employee wouldn't bother me too much, i work in Engineering which i've had a lot of CAD drafters and designers that i knew smoked weed.  Never had a problem with it, just make sure you check all their calculations, which i have to do anyway.

[Humble Narcissist]

I don't think it's any worse than taking anti-anxiety medication or pain killers at work, which as long as you have a prescription it doesn't count against you for employment.  THC stays in the body for a long time; i just think it's silly that people can drink themselves to sleep and take pain killers, opiates, other anxiety medications that really mess up your mind, but THC is still banned.  If it's legal to use it, there is no test that can tell you if they took it before bed or on the way to work, just like pills.

I work with a young guy who's jacked up on Adderall and Xanax all day long, he's very open about it.  He has prescriptions for it and all HR can do is tell him not to talk about it, but in reality he can if he wants to.  He's actually a pretty good worker and gets all his work done, so no reason to complain really. 

A stoned employee wouldn't bother me too much, i work in Engineering which i've had a lot of CAD drafters and designers that i knew smoked weed.  Never had a problem with it, just make sure you check all their calculations, which i have to do anyway.

I wouldn't mind it for office and clerical work but I wouldn't want anyone building bridges and skyscrapers stoned.

[funk51]

 

[Tapeworm]

Wonder why they dont drug test people who are claiming benefits from the state...

Nobody's binnes what you do in your spare time. Boggles m'mind that it's regarded as perfectly reasonable to insist on access to someone's bodily fluids. This side of my skin is 100% mine, 0% anyone else's. No, I don't use drugs. But if I want to, outside of work, that's my choice and no one's beeswax. On top of which you could inject me with a cocktail of lsd, heroin, meth, and wild turkey, and I'd still be more coherent and productive than almost all of the heavy-lidded halfwits populating this planet.

Instead of controlling what people do all 24 hours, how about let's attain the more modest goal of getting them to do something good for 8 hours a day? Sign in and do shit. Otherwise no money. Then you can go home and do whatever you please.

The Nancy Reagan approach is laughable. The drugs aren't the problem. The people are the problem. Surveil them and test them to ensure their sobriety and all you'll have is sober lazy idiots.

[Dave D]

Why do they need to change it?  If you owned the company would you want stoned employees?

Lets have the same attitude for alcohol!

[Tapeworm]

Let's optimize the general good by eliminating individual agency.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." Mr. Spock was a communist.

[Taffin]

Let's optimize the general good by eliminating individual agency.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." Mr. Spock was a communist.

Not many posts stop me in my tracks and make me rethink things... but that's deep Bro...

(dusts off very old gif that seems apropos)

[Humble Narcissist]

Nobody's binnes what you do in your spare time. Boggles m'mind that it's regarded as perfectly reasonable to insist on access to someone's bodily fluids. This side of my skin is 100% mine, 0% anyone else's. No, I don't use drugs. But if I want to, outside of work, that's my choice and no one's beeswax. On top of which you could inject me with a cocktail of lsd, heroin, meth, and wild turkey, and I'd still be more coherent and productive than almost all of the heavy-lidded halfwits populating this planet.

Instead of controlling what people do all 24 hours, how about let's attain the more modest goal of getting them to do something good for 8 hours a day? Sign in and do shit. Otherwise no money. Then you can go home and do whatever you please.

The Nancy Reagan approach is laughable. The drugs aren't the problem. The people are the problem. Surveil them and test them to ensure their sobriety and all you'll have is sober lazy idiots.

Those business leaders have every right to hire who they want.  "Just say no" is laughable?  It's not laughable when those drug addicts are begging for detox and rehab to be paid for by the taxpayers.

[Humble Narcissist]

Lets have the same attitude for alcohol!

I don't know of any company that allows employees to drink on the job.

[Van_Bilderass]

I read somewhere that the FBI or Homeland Security or whatever had a hard time recruiting hackers because most are stoners.

Lots of druggies in Silicon Valley apparently. Like the LSD and other psychedelic microdosing at work to improve performance.

Someone on another forum said he supervised a crew of roofers who smoked weed on the job and were amazing workers.

Some people on some drugs on some types of jobs can actually work better on drugs. High risk jobs where you have to stay sharp and are responsible for many people lives is more problematic. But do you want someone in such a job come to work hungover from alcohol? Is it better than having THC in the system from the night before?

[Humble Narcissist]

I read somewhere that the FBI or Homeland Security or whatever had a hard time recruiting hackers because most are stoners.

Lots of druggies in Silicon Valley apparently. Like the LSD and other psychedelic microdosing at work to improve performance.

Someone on another forum said he supervised a crew of roofers who smoked weed on the job and were amazing workers.

Some people on some drugs on some types of jobs can actually work better on drugs. High risk jobs where you have to stay sharp and are responsible for many people lives is more problematic. But do you want someone in such a job come to work hungover from alcohol? Is it better than having THC in the system from the night before?

Roofing is dangerous and I certainly wouldn't want to be stoned doing it.  I knew a guy years ago who fell through a roof on the job and is paralyzed for life.

[Dave D]

I don't know of any company that allows employees to drink on the job.

Whi said anyone was drinking or using drugs on the job?

I thought we wanted clean employees period. Ive known several shop guys who drank on the job. And when they started testing during work hours the were fired.

[Van_Bilderass]

Roofing is dangerous and I certainly wouldn't want to be stoned doing it.  I knew a guy years ago who fell through a roof on the job and is paralyzed for life.

I agree. Though daily smokers seem to adapt to it, but there's certainly an element of increased risk. Some low risk menial labor jobs might be helped by weed - in some people. Some get lazy but others want to workout for example. Lots of lifters do tokes before workouts and claim it increases performance. I've made many PRs in the powerlifts while slightly altered.

[Humble Narcissist]

Whi said anyone was drinking or using drugs on the job?

I thought we wanted clean employees period. Ive known several shop guys who drank on the job. And when they started testing during work hours the were fired.

The problem is with the testing.  You can't fail a breathalyzer test for drinking a week ago.

[Thin Lizzy]

I saw a guy wearing a Biden/Harris mask today: a four eyed, fat faced, pot bellied loser with a thoroughly unimpressive physique.👎

[MAXX]

I don't care people can be poor, overweight and old all they want.

[Tapeworm]

Those business leaders have every right to hire who they want.  "Just say no" is laughable?  It's not laughable when those drug addicts are begging for detox and rehab to be paid for by the taxpayers.

I agree. We shouldn't pay for it. People should lay in the bed they made. In no way does it follow from that, however, that the government has the right to dictate what you're allowed to do while sitting in your own living room, affecting no one else.

I'm not pro-drug. I'm just anti-government overstep. They'll use the same "We know what's good for you" crap when they make the vaccine compulsory. They know what's good for you to such an extent that, should you continue to insist otherwise, men with guns will eventually arrive to do you violence.

[Van_Bilderass]

I agree. We shouldn't pay for it. People should lay in the bed they made. In no way does it follow from that, however, that the government has the right to dictate what you're allowed to do while sitting in your own living room, affecting no one else.

I'm not pro-drug. I'm just anti-government overstep. They'll use the same "We know what's good for you" crap when they make the vaccine compulsory. They know what's good for you to such an extent that, should you continue to insist otherwise, men with guns will eventually arrive to do you violence.

I agree completely with your posts here. It's amazing the amount of people who are all for more and more laws, more government oversight over citizen's private lives. Like the argument I've had with many people over increased camera surveilance over public spaces. "What's the problem, if you commit no crime, why would you mind this surveilance?" They simply can't see how it will lead to more surveilance over private spaces and behaviors. They can't see that this oversight can lead to punishing their bad behaviors, like eating sugar or drinking wine or any number of things that might be termed bad. The future seems very suffocating and not free at all.

Sure, I'd rather not have a heavy stoner doing certain jobs but I have a problem with many other behaviors that might be legal for now. An old person using sleeping pills the night before sitting behind the wheel or the person on Oxycodone and Xanax doing the same. I don't know what the laws say in the US but here in Sweden a legal user of narcotics gets to decide for themselves if they are fit to drive.

[Andy Griffin]

The question is flawed. 

Most people end up being fat and broke because they choose the wrong paths and are often dumb and lazy.  Getting old is inevitable to those who don't die young.

[harmankardon1]

I read somewhere that the FBI or Homeland Security or whatever had a hard time recruiting hackers because most are stoners.

Lots of druggies in Silicon Valley apparently. Like the LSD and other psychedelic microdosing at work to improve performance.

Someone on another forum said he supervised a crew of roofers who smoked weed on the job and were amazing workers.

Some people on some drugs on some types of jobs can actually work better on drugs. High risk jobs where you have to stay sharp and are responsible for many people lives is more problematic. But do you want someone in such a job come to work hungover from alcohol? Is it better than having THC in the system from the night before?

 Military pilots still use uppers,,, modafinil is the drug of choice mostly nowdays, a great drug btw.

[harmankardon1]

The question is flawed. 

Most people end up being fat and broke because they choose the wrong paths and are often dumb and lazy.  Getting old is inevitable to those who don't die young.

Yes good logical summary this.

[loco]

In the land of the fat, poor, and old, getbiggers are kings.

[Flexacon]

I read somewhere that the FBI or Homeland Security or whatever had a hard time recruiting hackers because most are stoners.

Lots of druggies in Silicon Valley apparently. Like the LSD and other psychedelic microdosing at work to improve performance.

Someone on another forum said he supervised a crew of roofers who smoked weed on the job and were amazing workers.

Some people on some drugs on some types of jobs can actually work better on drugs. High risk jobs where you have to stay sharp and are responsible for many people lives is more problematic. But do you want someone in such a job come to work hungover from alcohol? Is it better than having THC in the system from the night before?

They play about far too much with various nootropics in silicon valley. Loads of basket cases in the making.

I've also met a lot of pot smokers who use weed get into "work mode". Manual jobs too and are amazing workers. It does the same for me, puts me in "work mode" and I might occasionally smoke it if I need to clean up, paint a room or do something equally mundane. Wouldn't wanna make it a daily habit though.

[Humble Narcissist]

 Military pilots still use uppers,,, modafinil is the drug of choice mostly nowdays, a great drug btw.

Have you used it?