Bye, Bye Portland Homeless Encampments

[Matt]

This thread has me questioning Portlands support of Black Lives Matter. Apparently they don’t if the blacks are homeless.

That's right.  And that is a disproportionately high number of them.  Hmf.

Typical NIMBY liberal - "Not In My Backyard!"

[SOMEPARTS]

Interesting how Covid managed to spare so many homeless.

And the Amish.

[Primemuscle]

I’m sure Prime will house a few of these individuals👍👍

Don't think so.

[DanM]

Round ‘em up ... and “re-locate” them (dispose of the bodies).

Problem solved.

Most of them suffer from a mixture of mental health issues and severe childhood trauma and use drugs as a coping mechanism to numb their miserable existence. A coping mechanism which if not maintained regularly makes them physically ill.

Not to say they aren't a plague on whatever city they congregate in mass but its not always as black and white as these people simply choosing to live this way.

[Primemuscle]

Moving on groups of down-on-their-luck men huddled around a potato fire.

Don't kid yourself, there are women and children in these 'encampments' too. There's even a few dogs and cats.

[Matt]

Most of them suffer from a mixture of mental health issues and severe childhood trauma and use drugs as a coping mechanism to numb their miserable existence. A coping mechanism which if not maintained regularly makes them physically ill.

Not to say they aren't a plague on whatever city they congregate in mass but its not always as black and white as these people simply choosing to live this way.

Even if it is true that most homeless leaches suffered from childhood trauma, it is NOT TRUE that most people who suffered childhood trauma become human scum as adults.

Something like 99% of people who abuse children were abused as children, but something like 99% of people who were abused as children, DO NOT grow up to abuse their children.

Typical leftist bullshit illogical line of reasoning.

There are more households with spare rooms owned by Democrats to house every homeless man, woman, and child in the USA/West. Why don't these pathetic pro-homeless, scumbag sympathizers house these homeless people, if they think homeless people are so amazing and wonderful, and can do no wrong ever?

Ah - because leftists merely signal their virtues while doing absolutely nothing in support of the causes they claim to care about, all the while importing vastly MORE or the same poor individuals into the USA, which does nothing but to strain the very social services infrastructure that American [and Canadian] leftists claim to champion and claim to want to EXPAND in scope.

Once these leftists are forced to live around the system they promoted, they will immediately be actively against what they claim to actively support.

Primemuscle is a fantastic example, as demonstrated right here in this thread.

[SOMEPARTS]

Even if it is true that most homeless leaches suffered from childhood trauma, it is NOT TRUE that most people who suffered childhood trauma become human scum as adults.

Something like 99% of people who abuse children were abused as children, but something like 99% of people who were abused as children, DO NOT grow up to abuse their children.

Typical leftist bullshit illogical line of reasoning.

There are more households with spare rooms owned by Democrats to house every homeless man, woman, and child in the USA/West. Why don't these pathetic pro-homeless, scumbag sympathizers house these homeless people, if they think homeless people are so amazing and wonderful, and can do no wrong ever?

Ah - because leftists merely signal their virtues while doing absolutely nothing in support of the causes they claim to care about, all the while importing vastly MORE or the same poor individuals into the USA, which does nothing but to strain the very social services infrastructure that American [and Canadian] leftists claim to champion and claim to want to EXPAND in scope.

Once these leftists are forced to live around the system they promoted, they will immediately be actively against what they claim to actively support.

Primemuscle is a fantastic example, as demonstrated right here in this thread.

Cliff Notes:

Dems like to talk about spending the money somebody else has mostly around election time.

[Primemuscle]

West Linn , suburb of Portland !.

I never see any signs of their camps. West Linn is loaded with parks and green spaces, There's a long green space trail encircling the neighborhood around my house. Mary S. Young park is a large state park on the Willamette. Anyway, there is an abundance of places where people could set up their tents.....but they won't go unnoticed.

Although I could find no specific city ordinance against vagrancy, probably because State laws prohibit evicting them if they are on public property. Awhile back someone tried to set up their camp under the Abernathy bridge (essentially under where the freeway crosses the Willamette river. ODOT gave them the boot before they could enjoy their first night's sleep.

Homeless people are also broke people who beg for food and need to be where there are handouts and other services. West Linn has none of those things probably because we have no real downtown area, just a few small strip malls and Main street in Historic Willamette which is probably a half mile long and looks like an old west town at Disneyland.




http://www.historicwillamette.com/

[Walter Sobchak]

I’m sure Prime will house a few of these individuals👍👍

He already is.

Four generations of his white trash family live with him now.

A house full of welfare leeches and government benefit thieves.

[DanM]

Even if it is true that most homeless leaches suffered from childhood trauma, it is NOT TRUE that most people who suffered childhood trauma become human scum as adults.

Something like 99% of people who abuse children were abused as children, but something like 99% of people who were abused as children, DO NOT grow up to abuse their children.

Typical leftist bullshit illogical line of reasoning.

There are more households with spare rooms owned by Democrats to house every homeless man, woman, and child in the USA/West. Why don't these pathetic pro-homeless, scumbag sympathizers house these homeless people, if they think homeless people are so amazing and wonderful, and can do no wrong ever?

Ah - because leftists merely signal their virtues while doing absolutely nothing in support of the causes they claim to care about, all the while importing vastly MORE or the same poor individuals into the USA, which does nothing but to strain the very social services infrastructure that American [and Canadian] leftists claim to champion and claim to want to EXPAND in scope.

Once these leftists are forced to live around the system they promoted, they will immediately be actively against what they claim to actively support.

Primemuscle is a fantastic example, as demonstrated right here in this thread.

The Neurochemistry of most of these people's brains is completely fucked. Their nervous system and psychology is broken. Their ability to rationalize, show empathy and thrive in society is stunted, often times to not fault of their own.

That is not to excuse the completely heinous things many do to support their habits but ascribing them more volition than they really have is a route where hate easily creeps in.

Hopefully modern science shedding light on this gives people a bit more compassion.

[Matt]

Cliff Notes:

Dems like to talk about spending the money somebody else has mostly around election time.

Democrat politicians - for sure!  They are more blatantly hypocritical being public eye champions of the poor.

I find that all liberal/Democrats will moan on and on about how hard-pressed the poor are, but they don't do anything about it in their personal lives, such as allow the homeless to live with them, or even volunteer at a soup kitchen.  I honestly think people who champion the homeless as oppressed victims have never even spent a day in the presence of one - IMO, that is the ONLY way that people can maintain delusional leftist views.  With age [and with mass immigration] it will be impossible for people to live away from the leftist fantasy land that they claim to want - at which point, they will cease from being leftists, but at which point, they won't have nearly as much power to do anything to change it as they currently do.

In the meantime, they vote for the parties that bring in the greatest number of poor people through mass immigration, which does nothing more than suffocate our lavish Western social welfare systems, and virtually guarantee their collapse in the future.  Oh, the irony.    It's just about virtue-signalling for leftists, be it leftist politicians, or day-to-day leftist citizens.  The Liberals in Canada and Democrats in the USA are more blatantly/obviously guilty of being filthy hypocrites on this matter, because they have the most political power to actually change anything, but the average leftist citizen is still a complete hypocrite, praising the poor while doing absolutely nothing about it.

Check out this video, hot off the press from Tim Pool, as of 28 minutes ago [Primemuscle/Oregon-related]:

[Henda]

Tramps are usually shitbags who have to sleep in the gutter as they have normally burned every bridge possible and nobody left to give them a hand. As much as I despise anyone being in my house for an extended period if any of my mates were on hard times I’d let them stay as long as needed provided they were doing everything in their power to get back on their feet, normally these tramps have been given the same chance at some point and they just lay about drinking all day never tying to work to change their circumstances or steal to feed their stinking habits and do this every where they go so end up sleeping in their own filth like they deserve

[Dave D]

Don't kid yourself, there are women and children in these 'encampments' too. There's even a few dogs and cats.

What do the dogs and cats have to do with homeless people? There are rats, mice and various other wildlife. Why are you over looking those lives?

[Primemuscle]

The Neurochemistry of most of these people's brains is completely fucked. Their nervous system and psychology is broken. Their ability to rationalize, show empathy and thrive in society is stunted, often times to not fault of their own.

That is not to excuse the completely heinous things many do to support their habits but ascribing them more volition than they really have is a route where hate easily creeps in.

Hopefully modern science shedding light on this gives people a bit more compassion.

What pisses me off is when I read in the Oregonian that Oregon and specifically, Portland got big sums of federal money to build, buy or subsidize housing for the poor and years later it has barely been used.

It is fine to not want people squatting on the sidewalks of Portland, they create a lot of problems, including sanitation issues and violence, but evicting or moving them to another location doesn't solve the problems is just relocates them. Given a choice to live on the sidewalks of downtown Portland or in the Streets of some of Portland's neighborhoods or in 2 person pods, 'tiny houses' or subsidized apartments, most would choose to get off the street. Given the  choice between living on the street or spending the night inside with a whole lot of other people you don't know sleeping on cots, many chose the street.

The options below are currently available in Portland. There is just not enough of them to solve homelessness.

[Primemuscle]

What do the dogs and cats have to do with homeless people? There are rats, mice and various other wildlife. Why are you over looking those lives?

Your observation is just plain dumb.

The point is some homeless people have pets....pets are domesticated animals not wildlife. One could argue that they have no business having a pet when they cannot even take care of themselves and you'd have a valid argument. Still there are circumstances when a pet or specially a service animal is understandable or even necessary.

[Matt]

This stupid asshole expressly rejected Donald Trump's offer of federal support to end the riots last year:

I get the notion of freedom of assembly in terms of protest...but what the FUCK does BLM want?  What laws do they want to change?  Black males are 18.5 times as likely to shoot White male police officers than White male police officers are to shoot Black males.

I was in the USA one day, and listening to NPR on the radio.  They were interviewing some Hispanic guy who was pulled over by the police and said he was terrified - worried that the cop that came up to him would be White.  I can't remember if the cop was right, but what the FUCK kind of bullshit is that?!    Blacks and Hispanics commit 70% of all murders in the USA, and 93% of Black murders are committed by other Black men!  The majority of ALL murder victims are killed by people of the same race as they are!  So to say that ANY interracial homicide is a big thing [represents a majority of murders] is completely untrue!  And where interracial murders and other interracial crimes of violence or any other sort do exist, White people make up the overwhelming VICTIMS - and not JUST in percentage or per-capita terms, but in ABSOLUTE NUMBERS.

Out of a million interracial crimes of violence or property crimes [theft/home invasion, and other robberies] that occur in the USA each year, 900,000 comprise White victims!

So how the FUCK is it even possible for the average person to think the OPPOSITE OF REALITY IS THE TRUTH?

And the answer to that is: through a nonstop brainwashing campaigning, where every single Black male shot by police is cherry-picked and propped up as an example of being somehow average.  If Black males being shot by White police officers were in ANY WAY the norm, the [Jewish] mainstream media wouldn't need to literally prop up EVERY SINGLE FUCKING EXAMPLE to prove that.

That's cherry-picking - nothing more!

Blacks are, simply from a statistical vantage point, the race with the highest rates of criminality in the USA than any other - and in fact, commit more crimes of violence than ALL OTHER RACES IN THE USA COMBINED.  Oh gee, might that be why they get shot by the police more than any other race combined?  And even THAT isn't true - while Blacks ARE shot by police more than any other race on a per-capita level combined, they are only shot about half as often by police when you adjust for criminal status: i.e., police officers are about twice as likely to shoot a White male with a gun than a Black male with a gun.  So there is obviously some hesitation on behalf of police officers to shoot Black men - even if they brandish a gun at them - because most police officers know that CNN will be covering the story 24/7 for weeks if not months, if they shoot a Black man, even IF they have every legal right to do so.

Look at the case of Rayshard Brooks in Georgia - the guy was drunk off his tree and punched one cop in the face, and FIRED A TASER at another officer, eventually resulting in the cop killing Brooks.  This was all on camera - and the cop got charged with murder!!!

So now we're shoving so much White Guilt and gaslighting down the throats of White cops, that they are going to be afraid of defending themselves even when LETHAL FORCE IS USED AGAINST THEM.  THIS IS INSANE!

Police are ALREADY hesitant to shoot Black men, as evidenced by the fact that White men get shot more often once you control for variables such as the possession of guns.  Mathematically, we should expect that if Black men commit 56% of violence involving guns, that they would be shot 56% of the time.  While Blacks ARE shot by police at a per-capita rate higher than any other race [DUH - THIS SHOULD BE EXPECTED GIVEN THE HIGHLY DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF GUN VIOLENCE THEY ENGAGE IN], they are still shot less than we would mathematically expect them to be shot based on how often White males in the USA are shot by police, given the per-instance frequency that police are involved with gun violence involving White males versus the per-instance frequency involving Black males.

I'm not here to say that I want more Black males to be shot or anything - any time that the police can prevent someone from being shot is possibly a good thing [EXCEPT IF THE OFFICERS LIFE IS DIRECTLY ON THE LINE - FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T LET POLITICALLY CORRECT BRAINWASHING EVER STOP YOU FROM DEFENDING YOURSELF - better tried by 12 than carried by six!].

What I am saying is that based on the number of encounters that armed Black men have with the police, we would expect more Black men to be shot compared to the number of times White men are shot in similar encounters.

Put another way:

The statistics indicate that there is some form of "Black discount" in terms of being shot by police, that results in fewer Black men from being shot by police than White men are, and I think that's because any police officer - of any race - is aware that if they end up killing a Black man that they shoot, that the end result would be that CNN and other liberal news outlets will talk about it 24/7 for God knows how long...and this makes them hesitate a little, and only use lethal force in extreme scenarios where their lives are more likely to be on the line [as is the case of Rayshard Brooks, where he literally shot a taser at the police officer before the police officer shot him, and only narrowly missed shooting the taser in his face].

Comments like this used to proliferate all over the internet, especially in news articles, but news articles starting closing comments' sections around 2016, and the internet is now more censored than ever, unfortunately.

[IRON CROSS]

He already is.

Four generations of his white trash family live with him now.

A house full of welfare leeches and government benefit thieves.

Gold medal 4 Walter 

[Dave D]

Your observation is just plain dumb.

The point is some homeless people have pets....pets are domesticated animals not wildlife. One could argue that they have no business having a pet when they cannot even take care of themselves and you'd have a valid argument. Still there are circumstances when a pet or specially a service animal is understandable or even necessary.

I’m confused by your point. Are you more concerned about the living condition of the pets than the actual people?

Most of these homeless people have severe mental and emotional issues that have gone unaddressed. To your point some of these people have children (and women, as you said). From your post you put pets on par with human lives. I’m just curious why you’re not concerned with the wildlife?

[IRON CROSS]

Portland ANTIFA would love those cabins 

[Fortress]

Most of them suffer from a mixture of mental health issues and severe childhood trauma and use drugs as a coping mechanism to numb their miserable existence. A coping mechanism which if not maintained regularly makes them physically ill.

Not to say they aren't a plague on whatever city they congregate in mass but its not always as black and white as these people simply choosing to live this way.

I’m well aware, more so than most, of the mental health and substance-abuse issues plaguing an overwhelming majority of the homeless.

Doesn’t alter my feelings on the matter.

My take on a solution is only black.

Round ‘em up ... and “re-locate” them.

The weakness of our species is our general inability to cut losses and move on.

[Primemuscle]

I’m confused by your point. Are you more concerned about the living condition of the pets than the actual people?

Most of these homeless people have severe mental and emotional issues that have gone unaddressed. To your point some of these people have children (and women, as you said). From your post you put pets on par with human lives. I’m just curious why you’re not concerned with the wildlife?

On the off chance you aren't just 'pulling my leg' here, I'll attempt a reply.

There is really nothing to be confused about. I am not more concerned about the pets than homeless people. It is just a fact that some homeless people have pets and service animals. Pets are a consideration when someone is in need of a place to live. Many landlords do not allow pets, although I believe they must allow service animals under the law.

While a lot of folks have mental and emotional issues, some more severe than others. Not all people with these issues are homeless and not all homeless people have these conditions. Since you seem somewhat knowledgeable about mental and emotional health, you surely know there are service dogs for people with a variety of psychological and medical problems, including PTSD Service Dogs - Psychiatric Service Dogs and service dogs for people with a host of physical disabilities.

Your question regarding wildlife cannot possibly be serious. Given that the subject is homeless people and housing needs, my only concern about the 'wildlife' you mentioned is that they are known to spread diseases and their habitat is generally anywhere they can find food. Homeless camps no doubt have a rodent problem because there tends to be a lot of garbage including food waste.

[Primemuscle]

Portland ANTIFA would love those cabins 

Do members of ANTIFA tend to be homeless?

[Primemuscle]

I’m well aware, more so than most, of the mental health and substance-abuse issues plaguing an overwhelming majority of the homeless.

Doesn’t alter my feelings on the matter.

My take on a solution is only black.

Round ‘em up ... and “re-locate” them.

The weakness of our species is our general inability to cut losses and move on.

Seems like a plan. Where would you suggest they be relocated to?

[Dave D]

On the off chance you aren't just 'pulling my leg' here, I'll attempt a reply.

There is really nothing to be confused about. I am not more concerned about the pets than homeless people. It is just a fact that some homeless people have pets and service animals. Pets are a consideration when someone is in need of a place to live. Many landlords do not allow pets, although I believe they must allow service animals under the law.

While a lot of folks have mental and emotional issues, some more severe than others. Not all people with these issues are homeless and not all homeless people have these conditions. Since you seem somewhat knowledgeable about mental and emotional health, you surely know there are service dogs for people with a variety of psychological and medical problems, including PTSD Service Dogs - Psychiatric Service Dogs and service dogs for people with a host of physical disabilities.

Your question regarding wildlife cannot possibly be serious. Given that the subject is homeless people and housing needs, my only concern about the 'wildlife' you mentioned is that they are known to spread diseases and their habitat is generally anywhere they can find food. Homeless camps no doubt have a rodent problem because there tends to be a lot of garbage including food waste.

Prime you brought up pets living in homeless camps, now you’re talking about service animals. One of the steps to get a service animal is to have a written recommendation from a health care provider.  People with health care providers aren’t ending up in homeless encampments (or if they are it’s a minimal amount).

Again you pointed out pets living in these homeless areas, along with women and children, why? Did you think people were unaware of this? Why do homeless pets matter to you but wildlife doesn’t? What life do you value?

[JustPlaneJane]

so where will they go?

E

Nowhere, they will ignore the Eviction Notices.