The Real Insurrection

[Dos Equis]

As I pointed out in the "Insurrection" thread, what happened on 6 January was not an insurrection.  If you want to know what an actual insurrection looks like in the United States, it happened last year in Seattle.  ANTIFA/BLM terrorists took over an entire portion of Seattle with weapons, including a police station, set up their government, and even named their new country "CHOP" and later "CHAZ."  Government finally took back its territory after someone was murdered.  These terrorists controlled part of the city for almost a month.   

Now ask yourself:  have you ever heard the media refer to this as an insurrection, why is it a footnote in history, and what would have happened if a "right wing" group had done this in any city in America?

Talk about a whitewash.  Even the wiki link calls it an "occupied protest."  lol   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

[OzmO]

 

[LurkerNoMore]

 

[Primemuscle]

What is the definition of insurrection? Here are a few published definitions (these are not definitions culled from the media or a individual's opinion):

1. An act or an instance  of open revolt against authority or a constituted government.

2. The act or an instance of rebelling against a government in power or the civil authorities; insurgency.

3. An act or instance of rising in arms or open rebellion against an establised government or authority.

4. Organized opposition to authority; a conflict in which  on faction tries wrest control from another.

5. Open clash between two opposing groups (or individuals).

6. Organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion or armed conflict.

7. The following is a case law defining Insurrection:

Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.”

8. Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence. In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.

looking at it from a different approach using blanket terms:
Civil Disturbance Law and Legal Definition
Civil disturbance means acts of violence and disorder prejudicial to the public law and order. It includes acts such as riots, acts of violence, insurrections, unlawful obstructions or assemblages, or other disorders prejudicial to public law and order. It also includes all domestic conditions requiring or likely to require the use of federal armed forces.

[Straw Man]

As I pointed out in the "Insurrection" thread, what happened on 6 January was not an insurrection.  If you want to know what an actual insurrection looks like in the United States, it happened last year in Seattle.  ANTIFA/BLM terrorists took over an entire portion of Seattle with weapons, including a police station, set up their government, and even named their new country "CHOP" and later "CHAZ."  Government finally took back its territory after someone was murdered.  These terrorists controlled part of the city for almost a month.   

Now ask yourself:  have you ever heard the media refer to this as an insurrection, why is it a footnote in history, and what would have happened if a "right wing" group had done this in any city in America?

Talk about a whitewash.  Even the wiki link calls it an "occupied protest."  lol   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

Maybe were just "tourists" visiting the city

According to your Wiki link (which doesn't include the word "insurrection") these tourists, among other things,  created a block-long "Black Lives Matter" mural, provided free film screenings in the street, and performed live music. A "No Cop Co-op" was formed, with food, hand sanitizer and other supplies. Areas were set up for free speech and to facilitate discourse, and a community vegetable garden was constructed.

[Primemuscle]

Looks pretty calm....maybe a rare moment?

[LurkerNoMore]

Keep in mind he claims that there were no weapons on Jan 6.

[chaos]

LMAO @ all the liberals blowing off the severity of thugs taking over blocks of public streets and killing people.
Imagine if right wingers had run everyone out of the capitol and set up a "normal person" zone?

[Primemuscle]

LMAO @ all the liberals blowing off the severity of thugs taking over blocks of public streets and killing people.
Imagine if right wingers had run everyone out of the capitol and set up a "normal person" zone?

That would really have been something alright. Specially because these folks were far from normal. Also, had they accomplished this impossible task, we would not be discussing whether or not it was an insurrection.

[AbrahamG]

 

[chaos]

Taking over city blocks and killing innocent people = ok with liberals
Entering a building and taking pictures behind someones desk = punishable by death!!!

[Primemuscle]

Taking over city blocks and killing innocent people = ok with liberals
Entering a building and taking pictures behind someones desk = punishable by death!!!

Who suggested any of the mob that stormed the capitol be put to death? I know it wasn't me because I don't believe in capitol (capital) punishment.

[Straw Man]

Who suggested any of the mob that stormed the capitol be put to death? I know it wasn't me because I don't believe in capitol (capital) punishment.

Maybe he got confused and was thinking about what THE TRAITOR allegedly said about protestors

https://news.yahoo.com/just-shoot-them-trump-wanted-163108763.html

[chaos]

Epic deflection. Both of your yards are a fucking mess.

[Dos Equis]

Looks pretty calm....maybe a rare moment?

Um, no.  The Seattle insurrection happened from June to July of last year.  Looked more like this:

[Dos Equis]

LMAO @ all the liberals blowing off the severity of thugs taking over blocks of public streets and killing people.
Imagine if right wingers had run everyone out of the capitol and set up a "normal person" zone?

Right?  Remember when some protesters went to the Michigan (or Ohio) legislature chamber?  They acted like it was the Third Reich.

[Primemuscle]

Um, no.  The Seattle insurrection happened from June to July of last year.  Looked more like this:

Um, the CHOP photo I posted was taken June 9th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest#/media/File:BLM_Seattle_on_June_9,_2020_-_2.jpg

Here's another taken on June 9th.



I'm not saying the situation didn't degrade as time went on. Of course there's more rubbish and other shit piled up because I pretty sure the city halted garbage collection and the longer people stay the more they 'dug in'. On June 17, a large tent encampment was set up. By July 1, the area had been cleared.

[Dos Equis]

Um, the CHOP photo I posted was taken June 9th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest#/media/File:BLM_Seattle_on_June_9,_2020_-_2.jpg

Here's another taken on June 9th.



I'm not saying the situation didn't degrade as time went on. Of course there's more rubbish and other shit piled up because I pretty sure the city halted garbage collection and the longer people stay the more they 'dug in'. On June 17, a large tent encampment was set up. By July 1, the area had been cleared.

Oh please.  You cherry picked a picture.  Pretty dishonest.  That place was a disaster. 

[Primemuscle]

Oh please.  You cherry picked a picture.  Pretty dishonest.  That place was a disaster.

And of course you didn't ....which is interesting because I tried to find the photo you posted because I was interested in the date it was taken and it was nowhere to be found. Perhaps you could post a link. Truth be told the first picture I posted was also the first photo that came up when I did a search of the event. Had your messier photo been the first one, I would have posted that. Neither yours or mine show people climbing up walls and beating up cops and yet you say this was an insurrection....apparent ly not a violent although longer lasting than what when on at our Nation's capitol.

Portland has had it's own mini 'insurrection' on Mississippi Ave. It encompasses a house and the land it sits on which is a 50 X 100 lot and another vacant one the same size next door. Last April someone called 911 because there was a noisy party going on outside the red house with maybe 100 people in attendance.

[Dos Equis]

And of course you didn't ....which is interesting because I tried to find the photo you posted because I was interested in the date it was taken and it was nowhere to be found. Perhaps you could post a link. Truth be told the first picture I posted was also the first photo that came up when I did a search of the event. Had your messier photo been the first one, I would have posted that. Neither yours or mine show people climbing up walls and beating up cops and yet you say this was an insurrection....apparent ly not a violent although longer lasting than what when on at our Nation's capitol.

Portland has had it's own mini 'insurrection' on Mississippi Ave. It encompasses a house and the land it sits on which is a 50 X 100 lot and another vacant one the same size next door. Last April someone called 911 because there was a noisy party going on outside the red house with maybe 100 people in attendance.

Type the following into Google images:  Chop Pictures Seattle.  Pretty obvious you tried to find a picture that deceptively made CHOP look like a Sunday picnic.  lol

And you're missing the point.  This was an armed, hostile takeover of a portion of a city, including a police department.  And someone was actually murdered.  That's what an actual insurrection looks like.  Not some doofus in a Viking hat posing for pictures.   

Portland is another cesspool.  The ongoing assault on a federal courthouse and law enforcement was pretty outrageous.  I listened to Andy Ngo talk about how they almost murdered him.  Bunch of terrorists.  I just ordered his book.   

[SOMEPARTS]

I hope you libs live long enough to be victimized by leftist policy. 

[Primemuscle]

Type the following into Google images:  Chop Pictures Seattle.  Pretty obvious you tried to find a picture that deceptively made CHOP look like a Sunday picnic.  lol

And you're missing the point.  This was an armed, hostile takeover of a portion of a city, including a police department.  And someone was actually murdered.  That's what an actual insurrection looks like.  Not some doofus in a Viking hat posing for pictures.   

Portland is another cesspool.  The ongoing assault on a federal courthouse and law enforcement was pretty outrageous.  I listened to Andy Ngo talk about how they almost murdered him.  Bunch of terrorists.  I just ordered his book.   

Here's what is obvious. You have no idea what I did or didn't do to find that photo. Whether it suits your narrative or not, that was the first photo I found. I could accuse you of doing the same to prove your point with the photo you posted, but I didn't because my guess is both photos are accurate depictions of what was going on, on the dates they were taken.

That doofus in a Viking hat posing for photos actually diminishes the seriousness of what went on at the Capitol. But hey, some like to think these were just regular folks interested in the confirmation process so with Trump's urging they decided to visit the Capitol so they could witness it first hand....and maybe string up the Vice President in the courtyard for not doing Trump's bidding.

I know you listened to Andy Ngo talk about how he was almost murdered because you've mentioned it before. How many times was he almost murdered? Was it several times or just this one time two years ago?

I think if you could ask Ashli Babbitt, she'd tell you she was murdered while 'touring' the Capitol on January 6th. Not sure most tourists climb through windows their fellow tourist broke through so the could visit the Speaker's Lobby just outside the House Chamber. Her family calls it murder and they plan to file suit for millions.

[Coach is Back!]

What is the definition of insurrection? Here are a few published definitions (these are not definitions culled from the media or a individual's opinion):

1. An act or an instance  of open revolt against authority or a constituted government.

2. The act or an instance of rebelling against a government in power or the civil authorities; insurgency.

3. An act or instance of rising in arms or open rebellion against an establised government or authority.

4. Organized opposition to authority; a conflict in which  on faction tries wrest control from another.

5. Open clash between two opposing groups (or individuals).

6. Organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion or armed conflict.

7. The following is a case law defining Insurrection:

Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.”

8. Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence. In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.

looking at it from a different approach using blanket terms:
Civil Disturbance Law and Legal Definition
Civil disturbance means acts of violence and disorder prejudicial to the public law and order. It includes acts such as riots, acts of violence, insurrections, unlawful obstructions or assemblages, or other disorders prejudicial to public law and order. It also includes all domestic conditions requiring or likely to require the use of federal armed forces.

Amazing that only applies to January 6 and not the entire year or cities before that.

[Dos Equis]

Here's what is obvious. You have no idea what I did or didn't do to find that photo. Whether it suits your narrative or not, that was the first photo I found. I could accuse you of doing the same to prove your point with the photo you posted, but I didn't because my guess is both photos are accurate depictions of what was going on, on the dates they were taken.

That doofus in a Viking hat posing for photos actually diminishes the seriousness of what went on at the Capitol. But hey, some like to think these were just regular folks interested in the confirmation process so with Trump's urging they decided to visit the Capitol so they could witness it first hand....and maybe string up the Vice President in the courtyard for not doing Trump's bidding.

I know you listened to Andy Ngo talk about how he was almost murdered because you've mentioned it before. How many times was he almost murdered? Was it several times or just this one time two years ago?

I think if you could ask Ashli Babbitt, she'd tell you she was murdered while 'touring' the Capitol on January 6th. Not sure most tourists climb through windows their fellow tourist broke through so the could visit the Speaker's Lobby just outside the House Chamber. Her family calls it murder and they plan to file suit for millions.

I don't know precisely what you typed in your search bar, but I know that when I search for CHOP pictures they all show the same thing.  If you were not trying to cherry pick pictures then my bad.  My apologies to you. 

I'm not diminishing what happened on 6 January, because I've always and repeatedly said that anyone who broke the law should be punished.  What I'm not doing is overstating what happened by calling it an "insurrection."  The left is very good at controlling language and narratives. 

I don't ever recall talking about Andy Ngo on this board?  If I did, I don't remember.  Regardless, he is one brave man.  They beat the crap out of him once.  They also cornered him in a hotel and were going to kill him if they reached him again.  Those people (your neighbors) are freakin psychos.  I heard sound bites of the things they were saying about wanting to hurt or kill him.  And now the media has tried to brand him as a "right wing" journalist, because he dares to report the truth about ANTIFA and BLM. 

[Primemuscle]

I don't know precisely what you typed in your search bar, but I know that when I search for CHOP pictures they all show the same thing.  If you were not trying to cherry pick pictures then my bad.  My apologies to you. 

I'm not diminishing what happened on 6 January, because I've always and repeatedly said that anyone who broke the law should be punished.  What I'm not doing is overstating what happened by calling it an "insurrection."  The left is very good at controlling language and narratives. 

I don't ever recall talking about Andy Ngo on this board?  If I did, I don't remember.  Regardless, he is one brave man.  They beat the crap out of him once.  They also cornered him in a hotel and were going to kill him if they reached him again.  Those people (your neighbors) are freakin psychos.  I heard sound bites of the things they were saying about wanting to hurt or kill him.  And now the media has tried to brand him as a "right wing" journalist, because he dares to report the truth about ANTIFA and BLM.

Without a doubt search results are based on the kinds of things one has searched for in the recent past. With that in mind, my first set of results when I used your 'CHOP pictures' produced links to Chinese food restaurants and food chopping pictures. LOL! Only when I added the word Seattle did I get what I think you did and found the photo you posted.

The photo was interestingly titled "How Seattle CHOP went from socialist summer camp to deadly disaster." If I read the accompanying article correctly, the photo you posted was about a month after protesters began camping out there and just before the Mayor issued and emergency order to clear the area (throw the protesters out). No wonder it looked like a pigsty. When a new homeless camp starts up in an unapproved area in Portland, it looks reasonable for about a week. But with all those people crowded together in tight quarters living off fast food and other food castoffs looks as bad or worse. Not to mention the stench these camps must produce...Pot, cheap booze, urine and feces.

I think I originally typed Seattle capitol hill protest. What is interesting is both the photo you posted and the one I did had the very same canopy tents one rents for outdoor garden parties and weddings. When my daughter got married we had several scattered around the backyard....all of them white, of course. Same canopies, less people and more garbage. A lot can happen in a month.

Did you see all the definitions I posted for insurrection? It's amazing how one word can have so many variables. I'm pretty sure if it was an insurrection from a legal standpoint, some of the many would be charged with insurrection as insurrection is a chargeable offence which can result in a fine and up to 10 years in prison. https://www.foleygriffin.com/blog/2021/january/is-insurrection-a-crime-/ It can also be difficult to prove insurrection or sedition.

Someone on Getbig has mentioned Andy Ngo in the past. Maybe it was Matt. Anyway, I had read some of his stuff already particularly about his near death experience. So, if it was as he said, he could still be talking about it 2 years later. An experience like that is hard to forget.