Anti estrogen for shedding water?

[Irongrip400]

Any of y’all use it to shed water? I’ve been on 180-200mg week of test for probably about 4 years and notice I hold water in my face. I’m not fat, but when I was younger and took dbol I had what I would call “moo face” which I see a bit of now. Not quite a double chin but just a little too full in the face for my liking. I’m assuming it’s estrogen aromatization to a small degree so I wondered if the estrogen blockers can help with the bit of puffiness in the face. Thanks.

[wes]

Any of y’all use it to shed water? I’ve been on 180-200mg week of test for probably about 4 years and notice I hold water in my face. I’m not fat, but when I was younger and took dbol I had what I would call “moo face” which I see a bit of now. Not quite a double chin but just a little too full in the face for my liking. I’m assuming it’s estrogen aromatization to a small degree so I wondered if the estrogen blockers can help with the bit of puffiness in the face. Thanks.

Do you drink a lot of water/fluids daily?

[ThisisOverload]

Arimidex helps, but i find the side effects aren't worth using it.

You don't want to wipe out estrogen completely. Start small if you decide to use it.

[obsidian]

Be very careful with AI's like Arimidex / Anastrozole. You can easily develop osteoporosis if your estrogen falls too low. This means sore hands, sore feet. It can really fuck you up. Everyone is different though. Some people can handle AI's with little side effects. I think where it goes wrong is when someone is injecting SubQ instead of IM and their testosterone level does nor spike up as much as an IM injection. So then their body does not convert as much testosterone to estrogen. Then they take an AI and bam their estrogen which was not that elevated really tanks and they end up with osteoporosis.

[bhank]

An AI will absolutely pull the water off and help dry you out whether or not that is healthy is debateable. Drinking more water will also make your body hold less water as it knows more is coming. 200mg of test really should not be causing much water retention. You need to cut the soda and salt and processed food and start doing some cardio if you really want to lean out your jawline at 200mg your issue is probably diet related and not hormonal

[Humble Narcissist]

Don't eat salt for a couple days.

[Tapeworm]

Don't eat salt for a couple days.

Best me to it. If saltless keto doesn't suck your skin on then... maybe stay on the keto for awhile.

[Rambone]

It only works if you have high estrogen and are holding water because of it. If not, you risk crashing your estradiol levels. It can take a while to come back and your joints will probably ache and fatigue will set in nicely and your sex drive won’t exist. Get an estradiol sensitive lab done before doing anything and if you have to, start low and go slow if you use anastrozle. Lowering the dose of test and spreading out the injections would make the most sense in my opinion before resorting to AIs. 200mg is quite a lot for TRT. I’d consider 160mg at the most TRT if the individual has high SHBG

[Irongrip400]

An AI will absolutely pull the water off and help dry you out whether or not that is healthy is debateable. Drinking more water will also make your body hold less water as it knows more is coming. 200mg of test really should not be causing much water retention. You need to cut the soda and salt and processed food and start doing some cardio if you really want to lean out your jawline at 200mg your issue is probably diet related and not hormonal

I ride a Peleton five days a week. I drink a lot of beer on the weekend though, and love salts and sweets. I’ve been clenching my jaw a lot and my dentist gave me 100 units of Botox in my jaw to help but I’m thinking it’s the water retention I don’t like. My face looks puffy at times, but when my shirts off, I look to be in decent shape. Sometimes in pics I look like I have a moon face.

My doctor checks my estrogen levels and he actually told me not to take the AI. He said my estrogen levels are good but I metabolize the testosterone too quickly and told me to up the dose to 220 week and come back in six weeks. I started on 160 and over the course of a few years he has had me raise it. I asked if I should break the dose up to biweekly and he said that wouldn’t help. Sometimes when it comes to this shit, because of how I dabbled in Anabolics in college, that I know more than my doc.

[Rambone]

I ride a Peleton five days a week. I drink a lot of beer on the weekend though, and love salts and sweets. I’ve been clenching my jaw a lot and my dentist gave me 100 units of Botox in my jaw to help but I’m thinking it’s the water retention I don’t like. My face looks puffy at times, but when my shirts off, I look to be in decent shape. Sometimes in pics I look like I have a moon face.

My doctor checks my estrogen levels and he actually told me not to take the AI. He said my estrogen levels are good but I metabolize the testosterone too quickly and told me to up the dose to 220 week and come back in six weeks. I started on 160 and over the course of a few years he has had me raise it. I asked if I should break the dose up to biweekly and he said that wouldn’t help. Sometimes when it comes to this shit, because of how I dabbled in Anabolics in college, that I know more than my doc.

Sounds good. You’re more dialed in than I was assuming. I still wouldn’t mess with the AIs if your labs are good.

[ThisisOverload]

I ride a Peleton five days a week. I drink a lot of beer on the weekend though, and love salts and sweets. I’ve been clenching my jaw a lot and my dentist gave me 100 units of Botox in my jaw to help but I’m thinking it’s the water retention I don’t like. My face looks puffy at times, but when my shirts off, I look to be in decent shape. Sometimes in pics I look like I have a moon face.

My doctor checks my estrogen levels and he actually told me not to take the AI. He said my estrogen levels are good but I metabolize the testosterone too quickly and told me to up the dose to 220 week and come back in six weeks. I started on 160 and over the course of a few years he has had me raise it. I asked if I should break the dose up to biweekly and he said that wouldn’t help. Sometimes when it comes to this shit, because of how I dabbled in Anabolics in college, that I know more than my doc.

Depends on the type of Test you are injecting, i'm assuming it's Cyp. Which can be injected every 7-10 days. I find every 5 days to work better, but that's me.

[bhank]

I ride a Peleton five days a week. I drink a lot of beer on the weekend though, and love salts and sweets. I’ve been clenching my jaw a lot and my dentist gave me 100 units of Botox in my jaw to help but I’m thinking it’s the water retention I don’t like. My face looks puffy at times, but when my shirts off, I look to be in decent shape. Sometimes in pics I look like I have a moon face.

My doctor checks my estrogen levels and he actually told me not to take the AI. He said my estrogen levels are good but I metabolize the testosterone too quickly and told me to up the dose to 220 week and come back in six weeks. I started on 160 and over the course of a few years he has had me raise it. I asked if I should break the dose up to biweekly and he said that wouldn’t help. Sometimes when it comes to this shit, because of how I dabbled in Anabolics in college, that I know more than my doc.

You are not going to like this but it's the beer. Your body is lean but your face is holding some fluids because you drink a lot of beer every weekend. Beer will give you that puffy face red bloated look if you are on anabolics it causes aromatization throws off your system when your system is off it holds more fluids

[Irongrip400]

You are not going to like this but it's the beer. Your body is lean but your face is holding some fluids because you drink a lot of beer every weekend. Beer will give you that puffy face red bloated look if you are on anabolics it causes aromatization throws off your system when your system is off it holds more fluids

You’re right, I don’t like it. 

I don’t drink alcohol during the week, and because I drink so fast (anything not just booze) I drink beer on Saturday after about 2 and can drink 15-18 natty lights in a sitting with the neighbors. I drink probably 6-8 on a Sunday and knock off drinking usually by 4pm. I realize that’s a lot of empty calories, especially since I don’t really get drunk. I’ve actually thought of switching to a non alcholic beer but I’m not sure if those are less calories or not. It’s typically the whole pizza I eat on Saturday with the beer that probably gets me so bloated in the face.

[Marty Champions]

Irongrip i have a feeling i look better than you and never done roids in my life and are older than you. Only bad thing ive done is hit the crack rock a few times and have had beer in moderation

Why dont you quit shooting up roids its retarted on many levels

[ThisisOverload]

You’re right, I don’t like it. 

I don’t drink alcohol during the week, and because I drink so fast (anything not just booze) I drink beer on Saturday after about 2 and can drink 15-18 natty lights in a sitting with the neighbors. I drink probably 6-8 on a Sunday and knock off drinking usually by 4pm. I realize that’s a lot of empty calories, especially since I don’t really get drunk. I’ve actually thought of switching to a non alcholic beer but I’m not sure if those are less calories or not. It’s typically the whole pizza I eat on Saturday with the beer that probably gets me so bloated in the face.

It's not the beer my dude.

Unless you are drinking a 12 pack a night.

[AbrahamG]

Any of y’all use it to shed water? I’ve been on 180-200mg week of test for probably about 4 years and notice I hold water in my face. I’m not fat, but when I was younger and took dbol I had what I would call “moo face” which I see a bit of now. Not quite a double chin but just a little too full in the face for my liking. I’m assuming it’s estrogen aromatization to a small degree so I wondered if the estrogen blockers can help with the bit of puffiness in the face. Thanks.

Before adding the AI, drop your test a little lower.  Maybe 120-140 or even 160.  Shit can the beer and replace it with a 10mg edible.  Watch the salt intake and maybe replace some of the sweets with sugar free sweets/options.  See if that makes a difference. 

[bhank]

Before adding the AI, drop your test a little lower.  Maybe 120-140 or even 160.  Shit can the beer and replace it with a 10mg edible.  Watch the salt intake and maybe replace some of the sweets with sugar free sweets/options.  See if that makes a difference.

Replacing the beer with an edible is the best advice yet something beneficial vs detrimental to your fitness. I feel guilty if I drink a drink once a month no idea how you can train all week then drink a case of beer on the weekend

[AbrahamG]

Replacing the beer with an edible is the best advice yet something beneficial vs detrimental to your fitness. I feel guilty if I drink a drink once a month no idea how you can train all week then drink a case of beer on the weekend

I am a huge advocate for edibles.  Every couple months I may order a bottle of beer if I'm out for dinner or at a bar watching fights, I'll get 1.  It's been years since I've had 2 beers. 

[Rambone]

Before adding the AI, drop your test a little lower.  Maybe 120-140 or even 160.  Shit can the beer and replace it with a 10mg edible.  Watch the salt intake and maybe replace some of the sweets with sugar free sweets/options.  See if that makes a difference.

That’s what I was thinking dose wise. I’d also split the dose and inject every 3.5 days, so you don’t have a bigger spike of test that will most likely aromatize into more estrogen. He probably should get his SHBG checked. If it’s low, a normal E2 sensitive reading could still mean higher free estradiol levels

[bhank]

Dude is drinking a case of beer and y'all want to send him in for blood work to figure out why he is a little soft lol

[GymnJuice]

Dude is drinking a case of beer and y'all want to send him in for blood work to figure out why he is a little soft lol

This

[wes]

Irongrip i have a feeling i look better than you and never done roids in my life and are older than you. Only bad thing ive done is hit the crack rock a few times and have had beer in moderation

Why dont you quit shooting up roids its retarted on many levels

You look like a fat bag of shit.....you looked great when you were young and on roids......now not so great.

[CalvinH]

Tren.

[Van_Bilderass]

I would never never take an AI even if on grams of test unless a few weeks out from a show. Estrogen is good.

I would try telmisartan perhaps with metformin. The reason why is too long 

If you have an important even where you want your face to look extra lean take a mild diuretic for a couple of days.

[wes]

I would have cut sodium bigtime and doubled my water intake and added 10-15 more minutes of cardio per day................no chemicals needed.