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Re: DeSantis
« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2022, 09:23:46 AM »

Putting people on buses pleases many or most people in Florida and Texas (where it isn’t really needed politically) but plays poorly in most of the rest of the country where it looks blatantly provocative and political, and plays into the imagery of the Tepublicam Party being mean spirited (think pivotal suburban women from a political standpoint).



 I don't think it's mean spirited at all. If these politicians aren't going to do anything about these illegals coming into the country then they can also take care of them on their state's dime. Borders and sovereignty are for good reason and we have a system in place for people to migrate here legally. We can't have a shit show fun for all where everyone goes where they want whenever they want. That's not practical or safe.

While I do feel for these people, we can't continue  tax our already over burdened system and encourage others to follow.
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« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2022, 10:38:09 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2022, 10:45:05 AM »
Putting people on buses pleases many or most people in Florida and Texas (where it isn’t really needed politically) but plays poorly in most of the rest of the country where it looks blatantly provocative and political, and plays into the imagery of the Tepublicam Party being mean spirited (think pivotal suburban women from a political standpoint).

Maybe. But people like it when hypocrisy is brought to light as well, especially when it is being done by people in power. I do feel guilty by being amused at the situation. They are poor people with very little being used as pawns. At the same time the politicians up in the northeast act like the migrants aren't a big deal. Now that the problem is on their doorstep they're doing logical cartwheels trying to explain why Texas should want them but DC shouldn't want them.

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« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2022, 12:40:17 PM »
You asked for it! Wealthy Martha's Vineyard residents face pressure to welcome migrants into their multi-million dollar homes after proudly displaying signs saying 'we stand with immigrants.
DAILYMAIL.COM ^ | 15 September 2022 | KEITH GRIFFITH and PAUL FARRELL
Posted on 9/15/2022, 3:07:30 PM


You asked for it! Wealthy Martha's Vineyard residents face pressure to welcome migrants into their multi-million dollar homes after proudly displaying signs saying 'we stand with immigrants... all are welcome here'

Conservatives are finding mirth in Florida's migrant airlift to Martha's Vineyard on Wednesday evening Florida Gov. DeSantis sent about 50 migrants to the wealthy island enclave aboard a chartered aircraft

Many on the island have long displayed signs proclaiming 'all are welcome here' - including immigrants Now DeSantis supporters joke that those signs will be quickly torn down by local residents But officials on they island say they are giving support and shelter to the group in the wake of their arrival

Conservatives have joked that Martha's Vineyard residents will be tearing down woke yard signs proclaiming that refugees and migrants are welcome after Ron DeSantis flew 50 of them to the wealthy island.

'Whole lotta Martha's Vineyard residents about to take down the 'all are welcome here' lawn signs sitting in front of their mansions,' joked Andrew Wagner, a GOP operative in Minnesota, in a tweet.

He was referring to a poster created by the Island's Hebrew community center, and subsequently adopted by many local homeowners and businesses.

It lists support for black people, the LGBTQ community, migrants, refugees, indigenous people and adds: 'All are welcome here.' Other, more generic, versions of the same sign have also popped-up in backyards across the US in recent years.

Many Americans are now keeping an eye on Martha's Vineyard businesses and homeowners to see just how well they'll treat the new arrivals.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk .

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Re: DeSantis
« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2022, 12:51:30 PM »

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« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2022, 01:04:59 PM »
Florida Will Send Migrants to 'Greener Pastures' in Sanctuary Cities
Newsweek ^ | 9/15/22 59 min ago 15:01 PM EDT
Posted on 9/15/2022, 4:03:37 PM


Florida Senator Ron DeSantis had a strong message for migrants seeking to enter the country.

"We are not a sanctuary state," he said during a press event Thursday. "And its better to be able to go to a sanctuary jurisdiction."

This comes after the governor sent about 50 migrants on planes to Martha's Vineyard Wednesday.

"And yes, we will help facilitate that transport for you to be able to go to greener pastures," he said, speaking to potential migrants thinking of coming to Florida.

The Republican governor also called on President Joe Biden to "do his damn job and secure the border."

DeSantis called out Democratic leaders who boasted about being sanctuary cities under the Trump administration.

"The minute even a small fraction of what those border towns deal with every day is brought to their front door they all of a sudden go berserk and they're so upset this is happening," he said. "It just shows you their virtue signaling is a fraud."

He said Democrats are supporting "indefensible" immigration policies under the Biden administration.

"It is not defensible for a superpower to not have any control the territory of its country," he said.

DeSantis said Biden inherited a better border situation and has now brought upon an immigration crisis.

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« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2022, 01:35:53 PM »
Maybe. But people like it when hypocrisy is brought to light as well, especially when it is being done by people in power. I do feel guilty by being amused at the situation. They are poor people with very little being used as pawns. At the same time the politicians up in the northeast act like the migrants aren't a big deal. Now that the problem is on their doorstep they're doing logical cartwheels trying to explain why Texas should want them but DC shouldn't want them.

Here is the problem: it really is not a state to state issue or a city to city issue, it is a NATIONAL issue that we need to sit down and figure out what to do about. Maybe you could argue that political grandstanding brings attention to the issue (and points out hypocrisy, and I agree there is hypocrisy) but it’s not like we don’t know already that this is a problem and the grandstanding really only plays to the people who already have their pitchforks out (see the comments above) and makes a lot of the rest of us mad. I was just on a road trip with my best friend who is from Texas and supports Governor Abbot on this and we got into a “sort of” friendly shouting match while driving. Why are all the people of New York, Chicago, Martha’s Vineyard suddenly responsible for this? What are we trying to do? Start a regional type Civil War, north against south style. Stupid! And a real way to turn off a lot of people who would like to hear some well thought out legislative and administrative steps to getting this solved (e.g., streamlined legal immigration, more border agents and ICE, better computerization to track visa overstays, etc., etc).

I agree that Democrats have more or less lost their way on this issue and are basically deer in headlights. But my reaction is that the antics of Governors Abbott and DeSantis are not helping and simply pushing both sides into respective “you are an idiot” “you are mean and extreme” corners (see the anger above).

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« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2022, 01:41:08 PM »
Here is the problem: it really is not a state to state issue or a city to city issue, it is a NATIONAL issue that we need to sit down and figure out what to do about. Maybe you could argue that political grandstanding brings attention to the issue (and points out hypocrisy, and I agree there is hypocrisy) but the grandstanding really only plays to the people who already have their pitchforks out (see the comments above) and makes a lot of the rest of us mad. I was just on a road trip with my best friend who is from Texas and supports Governor Abbot on this and we got into a “sort of” friendly shouting match while driving. Why are all the people of New York, Chicago, Martha’s Vineyard responsible for this? What are we trying to do? Start a regional type Civil War, north against south style. Stupid! And a real way to turn off a lot of people who would like to hear some well thought out to getting this solved.

I agree that Democrats have lost their way on this issue. But my reaction is that the antics of Governors Abbott and DeSantis are not helping and simply pushing both sides into respective “you are an idiot” “you are mean and extreme” corners (see the anger above).

FALSE.  it is the liberal progressive freaks in NYC, MASS, DC who push these open borders policies that impact Texas and border states the worst.   So while liberal nuts can preen and preach how virtuous they are, until now they have not had to deal with the impacts on the policies they force on others.   

BidenFAIL and Mayorcas and Harris are to blame for this and its great to see their failed policies finally hitting home in Obama's backyard. 

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« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2022, 04:19:22 PM »
 DeSantis is the man.  Seriously, there aren't any others

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« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2022, 05:48:46 PM »
Florida Will Send Migrants to 'Greener Pastures' in Sanctuary Cities
Newsweek ^ | 9/15/22 59 min ago 15:01 PM EDT
Posted on 9/15/2022, 4:03:37 PM


Florida Senator Ron DeSantis had a strong message for migrants seeking to enter the country.

"We are not a sanctuary state," he said during a press event Thursday. "And its better to be able to go to a sanctuary jurisdiction."

This comes after the governor sent about 50 migrants on planes to Martha's Vineyard Wednesday.

"And yes, we will help facilitate that transport for you to be able to go to greener pastures," he said, speaking to potential migrants thinking of coming to Florida.

The Republican governor also called on President Joe Biden to "do his damn job and secure the border."

DeSantis called out Democratic leaders who boasted about being sanctuary cities under the Trump administration.

"The minute even a small fraction of what those border towns deal with every day is brought to their front door they all of a sudden go berserk and they're so upset this is happening," he said. "It just shows you their virtue signaling is a fraud."

He said Democrats are supporting "indefensible" immigration policies under the Biden administration.

"It is not defensible for a superpower to not have any control the territory of its country," he said.

DeSantis said Biden inherited a better border situation and has now brought upon an immigration crisis.

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Re: DeSantis
« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2022, 05:53:27 AM »
Biden outraged as Texas, Florida governors displace migrants across country
France24 ^ | September 16, 2022
Posted on 9/16/2022, 8:50:55 AM


Florida Governor Ron DeSantis took credit Thursday for sending two planeloads of undocumented Venezuelans from Texas to wealthy Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, as Republicans play up immigration issues before November midterm elections.

President Joe Biden slammed the moves as Republicans "playing politics with human beings."

"What they're doing is simply wrong," said Biden at a Congressional Hispanic Caucus event Thursday evening. "It's un-American. It's reckless."

Christina Pushaw, a spokesperson for DeSantis, taunted the Martha's Vineyard community, which announced efforts to house and feed the migrants.

"Residents of Martha's Vineyard overwhelmingly support illegal immigration and call for more diversity. Governor DeSantis was kind enough to grant their wishes," she wrote on Twitter.

"There may be space at the Obamas' mansion for a few dozen illegal aliens," she said.

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Re: DeSantis
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2022, 06:01:41 AM »
It's Working! Ron DeSantis sent migrants to Martha's Vineyard, the Biden admin is trying to send them back to Mexico and Panama
Hotair ^ | 09/15/2022 | John Sexton
Posted on 9/15/2022, 11:51:45 PM


Since yesterday afternoon the arrival of about 50 migrants, mostly of them originally from Venezuela, in Martha’s Vineyard has been one of the biggest stories in the country. The sentiment on the left has been entirely predictable. DeSantis has been vilified for “flinging” these poor migrants at one of the nicest resorts in the United States.

Deeply deeply sick and dehumanizing to fling human beings somewhere vindictively.

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) September 15, 2022

Some on the left are suggesting the Gov. may have committed a crime.

The Department of Justice needs to investigate Governor DeSantis for using fraud and deception to lure people out of state only to abandon them without fulfilling his false promises. Same for Greg Abbott.

They’re engaging in human trafficking. https://t.co/5kX26LBuQf

— Joaquin Castro (@JoaquinCastrotx) September 15, 2022

Others have praised the residents of the Vineyard for their Christian response.

The hurling migrants at liberal cities and towns thing is narrowly funny in a meta way only because it’s premised on the assumption that everyone is as xenophobic and cold hearted as the governors and officials doing the hurling, and I don’t think they’ve once been proven right

— Asawin Suebsaeng (@swin24) September 15, 2022

MAGA world seems less angry about immigration and more pissed that DeSantis's expensive and hateful stunt of sending people to an off-season island didn't own the libs, who instead did the Christian thing and took in the strangers and made sure they had food and shelter.

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 15, 2022

As you can see, it’s not just a few individuals. Each of these tweets has thousands of likes. There was a particularly vivid version of this take published at the Bulwark earlier today.

Let’s put aside the theology of immigration. Let’s pretend, just for a moment, that Jesus would have nothing to say about whether or not the state should seek to discourage undocumented migrants as a high-level matter of government policy.

Those planes were filled with actual human beings. People with dignity. People with hopes and dreams, problems and challenges. People with names and families.

And this Christian man used them as props. He didn’t clothe the naked or feed the hungry. He literally did the opposite: Evicted them—and not because he felt that he had to, because it was a requirement of the law. But because he saw that he could use them as a means to the ends of his personal ambition.

In the midst of all of this vocal moralizing about the treatment of migrants, another story that was published yesterday afternoon has been almost completely overlooked.

As border crossings have soared to record highs, U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration is quietly pressing Mexico to accept more migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela under a COVID-19 expulsion order that the White House has publicly sought to end, seven U.S. and three Mexican officials said.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken raised concerns about an escalating number of crossings by migrants from the three countries during a visit on Monday to Mexico City, two U.S. and two Mexican officials told Reuters, but Mexico did not promise any specific actions…

The U.S. effort to pressure Mexico on these three particular nationalities illustrates the depth of concern within the Biden’s Democratic administration about their border crossings. Most migrants from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela who cross into the United States are allowed to stay to pursue asylum claims, since they are difficult to deport due to frosty diplomatic relations with their governments…

Biden officials are also exploring ways to push responsibility to other nations beyond Mexico, sources said.

For example, the White House wants Panama to accept deported Venezuelans if they passed through the Central American nation en route to the United States, two of the U.S. officials said.

So the Biden administration is publicly in favor of ending Title 42 expulsions but privately they are begging Mexico to accept some of the Cuban, Nicaraguan and Venezuelan migrants because they now make up about 25% of the migrants showing up at the border. They are also hoping to send the Venezuelans back to Panama. The story ends by noting that the Biden administration had been flying migrants to the Dominican Republic. This story is from Feb. of this year.

President Joe Biden’s administration has been deporting Venezuelans by way of a third country despite condemning former President Donald Trump for doing the same.

In the midst of the tight 2020 presidential race, Biden blasted Trump for using what Biden said were “stealth deportations” through third countries to send Venezuelans “back to the oppressive Maduro regime.”

Trump had used Trinidad and Tobago, also in the Caribbean, to deport Venezuelans, a practice revealed by Noticias Telemundo Investiga in March 2020. In that fiscal year, ICE deported 193 Venezuelans through third countries.

From Oct. 1, 2020, to Sept. 31, 2021 — eight months of which fell under the Biden administration — ICE deported 176 Venezuelans, agency data obtained by Noticias Telemundo Investiga showed.

The practice has apparently been ended since then but I’m guessing most people expressing deep concern about the morality of flying Venezuelan migrants to Martha’s Vineyard aren’t aware that the Biden administration had been flying them to the Dominican Republic, or that it is currently pressuring Panama and Mexico to take them back.

And let’s not pretend that the Biden administration’s motives are anything less than political. The border crisis is a concern for them and they are doing what they can, quietly, to make it go away. If that means “flinging” migrants to some other country rather than clothing them, feeding them and taking them in here, they are more than eager to do that. Just something to keep in mind at the media runs wild over Gov. DeSantis’ lack of Christian morality.

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Re: DeSantis
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2022, 06:05:13 AM »
Charlie Crist will not get votes of any significance in Florida. Too timid of a person that does not stand out from others for what he has done in his political career. He is sort of doomed to begin with for the next Governor election

Don’t kid yourself. Even within Florida his margins have been extremely close and they will be much closer in the nation at large. He and Gillum were only a few votes apart for Governor and it will be equally close against Crist next time round, although I give DeSantis the edge on that one. He will have a problem elsewhere in the US with these stances repeated on TV at election time. Now is already where the rubber meets the road.

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« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2022, 06:21:43 AM »
Charlie Crist will not get votes of any significance in Florida. Too timid of a person that does not stand out from others for what he has done in his political career. He is sort of doomed to begin with for the next Governor election

Crist is the ultimate flip-flopping politician. And closet gay too. Watching the Louisville game tonight? Go Noles

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« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2022, 07:13:04 AM »
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« Reply #91 on: September 16, 2022, 08:15:13 AM »
Migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard by Florida governor say they were misled
Reuters ^ | September 16, 2022 | By Jonathan Allen and Ted Hesson
Posted on 9/16/2022, 9:05:31 AM


(Reuters) - Some migrants who were flown to the wealthy island of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, said on Thursday they were duped about their destination, and Democratic leaders called for a probe of the move by Florida's Republican governor to send them there from Texas.

One Venezuelan migrant who arrived at Martha's Vineyard identified himself as Luis, 27, and said he and nine relatives were promised a flight to Massachusetts, along with shelter, support for 90 days, help with work permits and English lessons. He said they were surprised when their flight landed on an island.

He said the promises came from a woman who gave her name as "Perla" who approached his family on the street outside a San Antonio shelter after they crossed from Mexico and U.S. border authorities released them with an immigration court date.

He said the woman, who also put them up in a hotel, did not provide a last name or any affiliation, but asked them to sign a liability waiver.

"We are scared," he said, adding he and others felt they were lied to. "I hope they give us help."

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« Reply #92 on: September 16, 2022, 08:30:03 AM »
Migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard by Florida governor say they were misled
Reuters ^ | September 16, 2022 | By Jonathan Allen and Ted Hesson
Posted on 9/16/2022, 9:05:31 AM


(Reuters) - Some migrants who were flown to the wealthy island of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, said on Thursday they were duped about their destination, and Democratic leaders called for a probe of the move by Florida's Republican governor to send them there from Texas.

One Venezuelan migrant who arrived at Martha's Vineyard identified himself as Luis, 27, and said he and nine relatives were promised a flight to Massachusetts, along with shelter, support for 90 days, help with work permits and English lessons. He said they were surprised when their flight landed on an island.

He said the promises came from a woman who gave her name as "Perla" who approached his family on the street outside a San Antonio shelter after they crossed from Mexico and U.S. border authorities released them with an immigration court date.

He said the woman, who also put them up in a hotel, did not provide a last name or any affiliation, but asked them to sign a liability waiver.

"We are scared," he said, adding he and others felt they were lied to. "I hope they give us help."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


The migrants that Desantis moved were refugees from Venezuela and now they have to travel back because they have court cases.


I have to say I'm disgusted at the situation, using human beings as political props isn't cool.   You think the children of those migrants deserved that same treatment
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« Reply #93 on: September 16, 2022, 08:38:03 AM »

The migrants that Desantis moved were refugees from Venezuela and now they have to travel back because they have court cases.


I have to say I'm disgusted at the situation, using human beings as political props isn't cool.   You think the children of those migrants deserved that same treatment

 :D

Trumps policy of make your application from where you belong and the border secure makes some damn FNG sense now right? 

To me this entire thing is hilarious.  I hope DeSantis sends tons more to Obama's house, Bidens' house, those fat hogs on the View, liberal colleges, all the liberal white communists in my neighborhood house, etc. 

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« Reply #94 on: September 16, 2022, 08:39:04 AM »
Just kill every migrant that crosses the boarder. Am I the only heartless one here who gives no fucks at all for these people or their kids?

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« Reply #95 on: September 16, 2022, 08:42:27 AM »

The migrants that Desantis moved were refugees from Venezuela and now they have to travel back because they have court cases.


I have to say I'm disgusted at the situation, using human beings as political props isn't cool.   You think the children of those migrants deserved that same treatment

I fully support dumping all these people at Harvard, yale, Princeton, the capitol,  obama house, biden house, pelosi and clinton house, NPR HQ, NYT HQ, -

Why do you have a problem with this? 

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« Reply #96 on: September 16, 2022, 08:45:03 AM »
I fully support dumping all these people at Harvard, yale, Princeton, the capitol,  obama house, biden house, pelosi and clinton house, NPR HQ, NYT HQ, -

Why do you have a problem with this?

They are here ILLEGALLY and have no rights here. Vince, offer to take them in a house/feed them...

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« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2022, 08:52:38 AM »

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« Reply #98 on: September 16, 2022, 08:54:24 AM »
Keep shipping them to Massachusetts......9 Sanctuary Cities there !
 Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton,Lawrence, and Somerville
Cities that should be on that list as well are Dorchester,Springfield,Worsester,Lowell,Roxbury,Mattapan,New Bedford,Fall River....
Lived there most of my life.Left 3 years ago....Third world country now.
FVckin morons on the Vineyard, where they pump through over 100,000 tourists every year, have a meltdown when 50 migrants show up

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« Reply #99 on: September 16, 2022, 08:57:58 AM »
Keep shipping them to Massachusetts......9 Sanctuary Cities there !
 Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton,Lawrence, and Somerville
Cities that should be on that list as well are Dorchester,Springfield,Worsester,Lowell,Roxbury,Mattapan,New Bedford,Fall River....
Lived there most of my life.Left 3 years ago....Third world country now.
FVckin morons on the Vineyard, where they pump through over 100,000 tourists every year, have a meltdown when 50 migrants show up

Liberal Team Blue nuts and cultists know how badly they are exposed here.   This is actually a brilliant idea by DeSantis and Abbot.  All the other states should do the same until BidenFAIL and KamalaFAIL do their FNG job.