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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #350 on: April 27, 2026, 07:58:48 AM »
Just spend a few minutes reading some of these posts and you can picture you people with your tin foil hats on posting these ridiculous theories.

Seems like some of you people are upset with these contest results. And instead of facing reality, you just concoct outlandish theories as to why so and so won/lost.
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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #351 on: April 27, 2026, 08:03:02 AM »
Just spend a few minutes reading some of these posts and you can picture you people with your tin foil hats on posting these ridiculous theories.

Seems like some of you people are upset with these contest results. And instead of facing reality, you just concoct outlandish theories as to why so and so won/lost.
The '81 Olympia was way more controversial anyway.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #352 on: April 27, 2026, 08:27:30 AM »

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #354 on: April 28, 2026, 08:08:40 AM »
Just spend a few minutes reading some of these posts and you can picture you people with your tin foil hats on posting these ridiculous theories.

Seems like some of you people are upset with these contest results. And instead of facing reality, you just concoct outlandish theories as to why so and so won/lost.

All goes back to Mentzer's behavior, hobbies, G4P, meth addict and other healing herbs.



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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #355 on: August 24, 2026, 01:27:31 AM »

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #356 on: August 24, 2026, 06:05:50 AM »


I'm not sure exactly what the "witness"did there .....

"Was Mentzer gay ? well I never saw him with a man, but he was "different"

"He was a very lonely man but in a good way"

"I introduced him to a very beautiful lady " and he wasn't attracted to her at all."




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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #357 on: August 24, 2026, 06:55:53 AM »
I'm not sure exactly what the "witness"did there .....

"Was Mentzer gay ? well I never saw him with a man, but he was "different"

"He was a very lonely man but in a good way"

"I introduced him to a very beautiful lady " and he wasn't attracted to her at all."




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Maybe the very beautiful lady had already been touched by Arnold.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #358 on: August 24, 2026, 03:15:50 PM »
Did Ayn Rand approve of homos? I could google... :D

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #359 on: August 25, 2026, 03:40:03 PM »
Did Ayn Rand approve of homos? I could google... :D
I don't recall her ever bringing up the subject in her writings but I only read her non fiction.

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« Reply #360 on: August 25, 2026, 04:29:10 PM »
I don't recall her ever bringing up the subject in her writings but I only read her non fiction.

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Ayn Rand personally viewed homosexuality with moral disapproval and disgust, yet she simultaneously maintained that the government should not criminalize or violate the rights of homosexual individuals.

Personal and Ethical Views

Moral Disapproval: Rand publicly and privately characterized homosexuality as immoral, psychologically flawed, and "disgusting" based on her personal framework of romantic love and human psychology.

The Role of Choice: Within her philosophy of Objectivism, she viewed sex as an integration of mind and body. She asserted that choosing a same-sex romantic path contradicted what she believed was the proper, natural heterosexual orientation for human flourishing.

Safe to say a sober Mentzer would not approve of the 'fag business' :D

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #361 on: August 25, 2026, 05:14:34 PM »
Long term amphetamine users tend to die in their 50's

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #362 on: August 25, 2026, 05:58:32 PM »
Long term amphetamine users tend to die in their 50's

Mentzer said he started using stims because Ayn Rand used them for 30 years and they apparently didn't hurt her. She died at 77 :D

"I was in love with being conscious — amphetamines have that effect on a lot of people. I'd read the literature on amphetamines and had never heard of any long-term physical damage, but I did know that it could possibly result in acute episodes of psychosis. I saw no problem for me because I was convinced I was focused enough and that my use was channeled in a positive direction."

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #363 on: August 26, 2026, 09:12:17 AM »
Like a lot of us, I was impressed with Mentzer's physique and assumed his training methods were revolutionary. But i was also naïve and only later realized all of pro bodybuilding was all drugs. So I then came to the genius conclusion that without drugs "Heavy Duty" was a joke. Even now I don't think that was an incorrect assessment.

I'm not surprised that Mentzer eventually slipped into a world of other drugs that probably accelerated his death. He was definitely not a role model anymore.

As for him being gay or not? Honestly, who cares. It's not a stigma like it used to be.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #364 on: August 26, 2026, 09:31:25 AM »
Like a lot of us, I was impressed with Mentzer's physique and assumed his training methods were revolutionary. But i was also naïve and only later realized all of pro bodybuilding was all drugs. So I then came to the genius conclusion that without drugs "Heavy Duty" was a joke. Even now I don't think that was an incorrect assessment.

I'm not surprised that Mentzer eventually slipped into a world of other drugs that probably accelerated his death. He was definitely not a role model anymore.

As for him being gay or not? Honestly, who cares. It's not a stigma like it used to be.

I'm not the smartest but when I came across Mentzer's writings at about 14 years old he got me thinking LOL. Mentzer said, paraphrased, "how come 20 sets twice a week like Arnold and Weider say is the 'correct' volume and frequency, who decided that and on what basis? Why not 30 sets or 40... or 100?" Yes, he had a point I think. I wasn't naive, ever since I picked up a bb mag at 8 (!) freakin' years old I knew bodybuilding involved drugs because as it happened there were some drug references in the mag and just looking at the physiques you saw something was not 'right' LOL.

I even picked up The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand because of Mike LOL. I loved that book but later understood that the 'objectivism' philosophy had some problems with it. Mike tried to use objectivism in his training philosophy and it became a mess. Whether by sheer luck or something else, I think Arthur Jones and him got the exercise volume prescriptions about right, I mean the earlier Mentzer stuff and then Dorian's style. After lifting for a lifetime and tons of observation I believe you don't need much volume nor frequency to maximize growth, drugs or not. The 'scientific' data that we have now seems to support that as well.

Like Mike I love stims and I believe if they are kept at approximately "prescription doses" they aren't that bad. Hell, think of how many millions in the U.S. are on long term Adderall. If you don't sleep every night you will probably run into problems sooner or later though. I forget the name of the dude that said Mike came onto him, he said he drove Mike to crack houses to score meth so the use wasn't moderate obviously.

Just some thoughts  8)

Edit: there's some stigma to the 'fag business' (Arnold's phrase) still and some of the reasons for it are rational IMO LOL. If there wasn't no one would make a thread with this title "WTF" :D

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #365 on: August 26, 2026, 09:36:49 AM »
I'm not the smartest but when I came across Mentzer's writings at about 14 years old he got me thinking LOL. Mentzer said, paraphrased, "how come 20 sets twice a week like Arnold and Weider say is the 'correct' volume and frequency, who decided that and on what basis? Why not 30 sets or 40... or 100?" Yes, he had a point I think. I wasn't naive, ever since I picked up a bb mag at 8 (!) freakin' years old I knew bodybuilding involved drugs because as it happened there were some drug references in the mag and just looking at the physiques you saw something was not 'right' LOL.

I even picked up The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand because of Mike LOL. I loved that book but later understood that the 'objectivism' philosophy had some problems with it. Mike tried to use objectivism in his training philosophy and it became a mess. Whether by sheer luck or something else, I think Arthur Jones and him got the exercise volume prescriptions about right, I mean the earlier Mentzer stuff and then Dorian's style. After lifting for a lifetime and tons of observation I believe you don't need much volume nor frequency to maximize growth, drugs or not. The 'scientific' data that we have now seems to support that as well.

Like Mike I love stims and I believe if they are kept at approximately "prescription doses" they aren't that bad. Hell, think of how many millions in the U.S. are on long term Adderall. If you don't sleep every night you will probably run into problems sooner or later though. I forget the name of the dude that said Mike came onto him, he said he drove Mike to crack houses to score meth so the use wasn't moderate obviously.

Just some thoughts  8)

since I went back on TRT i only ever do a pump workout, just a few upper body and lower body exercises I have lost fat and filled out again...Im about 4 weeks from  a beach physique.

I know I am regaining the volume I used to have but me doing huge weights and lots of volume wouldnt even make a noticable difference

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #366 on: August 26, 2026, 09:42:37 AM »
since I went back on TRT i only ever do a pump workout, just a few upper body and lower body exercises I have lost fat and filled out again...Im about 4 weeks from  a beach physique.

I know I am regaining the volume I used to have but me doing huge weights and lots of volume wouldnt even make a noticable difference

You're just "stretching the balloon" :D

I agree you don't need much. Tons of volume is just tendonitis, aches and pains and worn down body.

I'm 50 next year and still haven't learned my lesson to be careful with heavy weights. Too much of a kick. I know better though so its my own damn fault when I get hurt.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #367 on: August 26, 2026, 10:24:52 AM »
I'm not the smartest but when I came across Mentzer's writings at about 14 years old he got me thinking LOL. Mentzer said, paraphrased, "how come 20 sets twice a week like Arnold and Weider say is the 'correct' volume and frequency, who decided that and on what basis? Why not 30 sets or 40... or 100?" Yes, he had a point I think. I wasn't naive, ever since I picked up a bb mag at 8 (!) freakin' years old I knew bodybuilding involved drugs because as it happened there were some drug references in the mag and just looking at the physiques you saw something was not 'right' LOL.

I even picked up The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand because of Mike LOL. I loved that book but later understood that the 'objectivism' philosophy had some problems with it. Mike tried to use objectivism in his training philosophy and it became a mess. Whether by sheer luck or something else, I think Arthur Jones and him got the exercise volume prescriptions about right, I mean the earlier Mentzer stuff and then Dorian's style. After lifting for a lifetime and tons of observation I believe you don't need much volume nor frequency to maximize growth, drugs or not. The 'scientific' data that we have now seems to support that as well.

Like Mike I love stims and I believe if they are kept at approximately "prescription doses" they aren't that bad. Hell, think of how many millions in the U.S. are on long term Adderall. If you don't sleep every night you will probably run into problems sooner or later though. I forget the name of the dude that said Mike came onto him, he said he drove Mike to crack houses to score meth so the use wasn't moderate obviously.

Just some thoughts  8)

Edit: there's some stigma to the 'fag business' (Arnold's phrase) still and some of the reasons for it are rational IMO LOL. If there wasn't no one would make a thread with this title "WTF" :D

Good points VanB. 

I tried "Heavy Duty" for about 2 years as a natural and made only minor progress. When I went to a more volume based workout I gained. Maybe it's different for others.

As for the gay thing, yes- there is SOME stigma, but a lot of people don't think twice about it. I have a very conservative in-law who during a recent conversation said "Who cares if people are gay anymore", lol. That surprised me to the max, haha

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #368 on: August 26, 2026, 10:48:44 AM »
Good points VanB. 

I tried "Heavy Duty" for about 2 years as a natural and made only minor progress. When I went to a more volume based workout I gained. Maybe it's different for others.

As for the gay thing, yes- there is SOME stigma, but a lot of people don't think twice about it. I have a very conservative in-law who during a recent conversation said "Who cares if people are gay anymore", lol. That surprised me to the max, haha

just doing low reps is never really going to get enough blood in and stretch the fibres which is all that bodybuilding really is

You aint growing any new fibres, you just need to get as much blood in there to stretch them out

Most peoples best bodypart is the one they get the best pump in

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #369 on: August 26, 2026, 11:19:32 AM »
Good points VanB. 

I tried "Heavy Duty" for about 2 years as a natural and made only minor progress. When I went to a more volume based workout I gained. Maybe it's different for others.

For various reasons I think the' Heavy Duty style' doesn't fit many or even most, either physically (perhaps joints can't take heavy weights) or psychologically. I've noticed people basically lift according to personality type and they are drawn to certain programs based on that and it's almost impossible to get people to lift according to a certain rationale if they don't like it. Balls to the wall for a brief stint or more sweat and endurance type workout. The physiological adaptation mechanism, the hypertrophy signal, is the same for everyone, so there is the same red thread in all successful programs, I think. Humble opinion haha. You can somewhat compensate for "intensity" with volume. And it's a simple truism that you can either go hard or you can go long, not really both :D 8)

just doing low reps is never really going to get enough blood in and stretch the fibres which is all that bodybuilding really is

You aint growing any new fibres, you just need to get as much blood in there to stretch them out

Most peoples best bodypart is the one they get the best pump in

While you can't grow more fibers, as far as we know, you can accrue more muscle protein within existing fibers so it's not all water and fluff :D

It seems true that usually the best body part is the one you can get the best pump in but it doesn't necessarily mean the pump is the growth signal in itself, IMHO :D

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #370 on: August 26, 2026, 07:24:53 PM »
Good points VanB. 

I tried "Heavy Duty" for about 2 years as a natural and made only minor progress. When I went to a more volume based workout I gained. Maybe it's different for others.

As for the gay thing, yes- there is SOME stigma, but a lot of people don't think twice about it. I have a very conservative in-law who during a recent conversation said "Who cares if people are gay anymore", lol. That surprised me to the max, haha
Same here with (s)HIT.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #371 on: August 27, 2026, 07:42:16 AM »
since I went back on TRT i only ever do a pump workout, just a few upper body and lower body exercises I have lost fat and filled out again...Im about 4 weeks from  a beach physique.

I know I am regaining the volume I used to have but me doing huge weights and lots of volume wouldnt even make a noticable difference
Is it the rubber bands you said you use or the 15 or was it 20 rep chin up challenge you set..
just curious.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #372 on: August 28, 2026, 05:14:17 AM »
Mike Mentze'rs biography page says he died in summer 2001

people who really knew him say Mentzer died on October 4th 1980.




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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #373 on: August 28, 2026, 06:06:22 AM »
Mike would consider bisexualism as overtraining. One all out set to climax with a woman is all you need.

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Re: Mike Mentzer bisexual and meth addict ? WTF !
« Reply #374 on: August 28, 2026, 06:09:30 AM »
Arnold was/is BI  & he no doubt had some wild sessions with Paul  :D