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Re: Bodybuilding needs to die...
« Reply #100 on: October 04, 2021, 05:32:40 AM »
Bhanky...man know.

There is definitely a good chance some top bodybuilders in the know were using Test in the late 40s onwards.

Before then?  Unlikely.

Use definitely preceded D-bol.

Weren't steroids developed circa 1945 to help World War prisioners to regain the weight lost due to malnourishment?

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« Reply #101 on: October 04, 2021, 06:39:48 AM »
Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler :D

A small club is cooler when most people (average Joe) wants to be in it . :'(



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Re: Bodybuilding needs to die...
« Reply #102 on: October 04, 2021, 06:57:13 AM »
So everyone is just going to ignore testosterone elixirs being used in the late 1800s got it

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« Reply #103 on: October 04, 2021, 07:20:06 AM »
Weren't steroids developed circa 1945 to help World War prisioners to regain the weight lost due to malnourishment?

According Hitler's doctor's notes, Dr Morell, he was giving Hitler Schering Testosterone Enanthate. However, and I haven't researched this, the question is whether these "notes" were post-war forgeries by Jews, Germans, Americans, whoever, for propaganda purposes. I mean they did a posthumous psychological profile on Hitler claiming he had lots of perversions such scat games. Based on what I don't know.

But according to these notes Hitler was on steroids and a fuckton of various narcotics, amphetamine injections etc. Could be true I guess. I mean I think it has been verified John F Kennedy was on a bunch of anabolics along with the same types of narcotics. Now they claim Biden is on Adderall, otherwise he would just be napping. Who knows...   :D


"Goon Juice - The uppers were abused most often, or at least the overdosing was the most visible. In 1966, there was a liquid form of amphetamine available called syndrox. It was nicknamed "Goon juice" and aptly so. The recommended dosage was one capful of the fluid (which tasted much like cough medicine). This was the equivalent of 20-30 mgs. of amphetamines and that's a lot of cups of coffee. No one ever settled for one capful, however. After 45 minutes to an hour the initial rush had worn off and the lifter would feel a let-down. Back to the bottle for more juice.

Another hour, another letdown (relatively speaking of course), another hit and it was off to Loo-Loo Land. Lifters would stalk the warm-up area shouting, cursing, screaming. Some would appear deranged, their pupils the size of quarters, their mouths so dry they couldn't spit on a bet. Some formerly mild-mannered types would Jekyll-and-Hyde-out and become complete, raving idiots both on and off platform. Super Circus. Some lifters stayed awake for days following a contest. My first introduction to goon juice was a nightmare. I used it at the Philly Open in 1967, my first big Eastern competition. I lifted better than I had ever done, placing second behind Frank Capsouras. I was very pleased with myself until I got half way back to York. While sitting in the back seat I began cramping. These were not everyday, garden variety-type cramps as I usually experienced, but severe ones that took my breath away. Not only did every major muscle group lock up, such as my lumbars, quads, and traps, but every minor group got in the act. My abs, fingers, toes, behind my ears, even small muscles in my face began to cramp. I stayed in a painful sweat for over an hour. I had shot my potassium level all to hell and threw my electrolyte balance out of wack. I had put my body in an extremely dangerous position. I wasn't too far from having my heart muscle cramp, and that would have been bye-bye Billy.

What really amazes me when I look back at some of the severe drug abuse by so many top lifters in those days is that someone did
not get killed. I can say that some gave it their best shot."

Apmphetamines can be amazing for performance but they have to be timed just right. Overdone they will leave you weak in the knees. Maybe say 10mg, none of this hundreds of milligrams BS. Otherwise you might turn gay like Mentzer and want to fuck your training partner  :D

There is vet "upper" used in south America by powerlifters. They are so stupid they think it's just some b-vitamin concoction.  :D

So everyone is just going to ignore testosterone elixirs being used in the late 1800s got it

I remember at first they isolated a few milligrams of testosterone from tens of thousands of liters of human urine. They also tried implanting sheep testicles into humans. The question is when test was used in any meaninful dosages in athletes.

I remember they gave some little 5 year old negro boy testosterone. Problems was the kid developed an adult size penis and was bullying the other kids in kindergarten haha.

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« Reply #104 on: October 04, 2021, 07:33:56 AM »
Man has been isolating and using exogenous forms of testosterone for thousands of years. An injectable version was commercially available as early as 1889

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233405495_The_rejuvenation_of_testosterone_Philosopher's_stone_or_Brown-Sequard_Elixir

https://www.nytimes.com/1889/08/23/archives/doctors-who-disagree-the-brownsequard-elixir-divides-the-medical.html

https://www.historytoday.com/hormones-elixirs-and-eccentrics

https://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2009/02/baseball-peds-120-year-history.html

https://urinedrugtesthq.com/history-of-performance-enhancing-drugs/

The use of performance-enhancing drugs can be traced all the way back to ancient Greece and the first Olympic games (776 BC-393 BC). Olympic athletes competed for cash prices and olive wreaths, and the rules were much less strict back then. They ate sheep testicles in an attempt to increase testosterone levels

https://www.al.com/news/2015/07/hormone_therapy_it_all_started.html

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Presenting the results of this experiment on himself at a scientific conference a few months later, Brown-Sequard reported that he felt 10 years younger, strong and energetic, mentally sharp, and he now slept like a baby. Even though the year was 1889, you could say that news of this elixir went viral.

Within 6 months American doctors, not about to pass up an obvious commercial opportunity, had administered the Brown-Sequard (let's just call it B-S) elixir to more than 12,000 desperate men, including one 32 year-old Hall of Fame baseball pitcher - Jim "Pud" Galvin -- trying to hang on. Some things don't change."

In 1889 Pud Galvin became widely known for his use of Brown-Sequard Elixir, a testosterone supplement produced from testicles of live animals.

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« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2021, 07:57:27 AM »
So everyone is just going to ignore testosterone elixirs being used in the late 1800s got it


Anything to justify your drug use, lol. You take one or two data points and draw a Gaussian distribution. Confirmation bias at its worst.


And btw, lead can't be turned into gold.

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« Reply #106 on: October 04, 2021, 07:58:41 AM »
But according to these notes Hitler was on steroids and a fuckton of various narcotics, amphetamine injections etc. Could be true I guess. I mean I think it has been verified John F Kennedy was on a bunch of anabolics along with the same types of narcotics.

 Kennedy received testosterone daily during his entire presidency. His daily dose of oral methyltestosterone started out as 10 mg, and on several occasions it was increased to 25 mg/d. The summary medication sheet for May 1962 indicates that his physicians began trying different testosterone preparations at that time (44). From 1 to 7 May, he received between 50 mg and 75 mg of testosterone aqueous suspension for 4 days, and from 10 to 28 May, he received either 5 mg or 10 mg of oral fluoxymesterone.

As noted earlier, APS 2 is associated with hypogonadism as a result of the development of steroid-cell autoantibodies that react with Leydig cells of the testes, as well as thecal cells of the ovary (30). Kennedy's requirement for testosterone can be ascribed to autoimmune hypergonadotropic hypogonadism as a result of APS 2. However, whereas the incidence of ovarian failure in women with APS 2 is 10%, progression to gonadal failure is very rare among men with Addison disease, even in the presence of high-risk steroidal cell autoantibodies (8). Kennedy fathered 4 children from 1956 to 1960 and hence was apparently not hypogonadal. Another diagnostic possibility to consider is autoimmune (or lymphocytic) hypophysitis, an autoimmune syndrome that results in a picture of panhypopituitarism. Since 1962, 460 cases have been described in the literature (45). This all leads to conjecture as to when Kennedy started testosterone therapy.

Given Kennedy's history, his long-term steroid therapy could have affected his testosterone levels. This is very likely the case, as the prevalence of low testosterone levels in glucocorticoid-treated men is high because of glucocorticoid-induced suppression of all components of the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis. Typically, daily administration of more than 5 mg to 7.5 mg of prednisone or its equivalent increases the risk for gonadotropin and testosterone suppression and for alterations in muscle and bone mass (46). The medical records contain several notes indicating that Kennedy requested and received additional testosterone, such as on 12 July 1961, when Dr. Travell recorded, “methyl T 10 mg (by request)” (47).

In addition, Robert Dallek and his associate Dr. Jeffrey Kelman have stated that Kennedy was taking testosterone to keep his weight up (48). This, too, is highly likely. On the basis of available records, it cannot be determined exactly when Kennedy began testosterone therapy. Janet Travell recalls that Kennedy weighed 155 lb when she met him in May 1955 (49). Kennedy's White House medical records indicate that his daily weight was between 170 and 180 lb (24). There are possible clues as to when his testosterone therapy was initiated. One clue was provided by his lifelong friend Lem Billings, who stated that Kennedy's weight had surged during the 1960 presidential campaign: “If you look at pictures of him in July 1960 and then look at pictures of him taken in January of 1961, you'l find he was much heavier.” The total weight gain, Billings noted, was about 15 lb (50). In her autobiography, Travell included a photograph that she took of president-elect Kennedy on 15 November 1960. He is bare-chested and is leaping to catch a football. He appears to be trim, muscular, and well proportioned. This is confirmed by the observation of Rose Kennedy, who stated in a diary entry on 3 November 1960 that “Jack looks unusually well. His cheeks have filled out amazingly since I saw him in June. He has lost that lean Lincolnesque look which I secretly like better” (51).

In her autobiography, Travell described Kennedy the first time she met him: “In spite of his Florida suntan, I thought he appeared pale and anemic, and that indeed proved to be the case” (49). In her 1966 oral history, she embellished on this when asked by the interviewer if then-senator Kennedy had any other medical problems. “Well, of course when I first saw him he was extremely anemic. He was really anemic. He had impaired vibration sense which is indicative of peripheral neuritis … characteristic of a vitamin B1 deficiency.” She also stated, “Senator Kennedy was put on a course of vitamin B12, vitamin B1 and B-complex injections. His blood count—his hemoglobin and red cells—did respond” (52).

Taken from - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-151-5-200909010-00011 .

Also noted -

Diphenoxylate hydrochloride ( Demerol like drug used for sedation and stomach claiming).
25 micrograms Cytomel 2x a day.

Kennedy's Amp cocktail -

Dr. Jacobson gave Kennedy his first treatment, an intramuscular injection of vitamin B-complex, A, E, D, B-12, plus 10 mg. of amphetamine to counter the fatigue brought on by his hectic campaign schedule and adrenal condition, as well as an intravenous injection of calcium and vitamin C. Kennedy responded that his muscle weakness had disappeared and he felt calm, cool and very alert.

( http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v14n21.shtml ).
 

Kennedy had a very Bhankesque existence for many years from various readings. 

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Re: Bodybuilding needs to die...
« Reply #107 on: October 04, 2021, 08:08:52 AM »
Why would you want bodybuilding to grow though? The attraction, to me, was always that it was pretty exclusive, big bodybuilders weren't something you saw everywhere. A small club = cooler  :D
smaller club=cool only applies when people want to do it but can't, most people just don't want to bb because it's laughable and stupid

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« Reply #108 on: October 04, 2021, 08:31:43 AM »
smaller club=cool only applies when people want to do it but can't, most people just don't want to bb because it's laughable and stupid

Most in the general public are also lazy, fat, weak, and completely useless.  Think of the clintons, pelosi, bidens, and obamas.   Those entire families of disgusting slugs are populated by fat, weak, slow, complaining, whiney, useless parasites who could not work a full day or contribute a damn thing to any situation.  No damn kidding those fat nasty POS not into BB 

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Re: Bodybuilding needs to die...
« Reply #109 on: October 04, 2021, 08:41:47 AM »

Anything to justify your drug use, lol. You take one or two data points and draw a Gaussian distribution. Confirmation bias at its worst.


And btw, lead can't be turned into gold.

It has nothing to do with justifying anything it has to do with facts exogenous testosterone injections have been around since 1889 and over 2000 men were treated with it in the late 1800s so yes absolutely strength athletes had access to these things long before the 1940s

Babe Ruth himself was using a sheep testicle derived testosterone injection as early as 1925

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« Reply #110 on: October 04, 2021, 08:50:09 AM »
It has nothing to do with justifying anything it has to do with facts exogenous testosterone injections have been around since 1889 and over 2000 men were treated with it in the late 1800s so yes absolutely strength athletes had access to these things long before the 1940s

Babe Ruth himself was using a sheep testicle derived testosterone injection as early as 1925

When you go off everything because you will have to, will you continue to train?

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« Reply #111 on: October 04, 2021, 09:14:06 AM »
When you go off everything because you will have to, will you continue to train?

I am not on anything now and haven't been for a couple weeks. Mr HRT Dr wanted more bloodwork and I declined. Despite having prominent vascularity they always mess up my veins when they take blood. I have been training since I was a child. I will always train. I am changing things up this next week though as I am leaving to go mountain biking for a week tomorrow. I have some weights at the resort but I will be taking it easy on lifting and eating so I have energy to ride. I will probably lose a few pounds but be leaner with more energy in a week.

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« Reply #112 on: October 04, 2021, 09:17:41 AM »
I am not on anything now and haven't been for a couple weeks. Mr HRT Dr wanted more bloodwork and I declined. I have been training since I was a child. I will always train. I am changing things up this next week though as I am leaving to go mountain biking for a week tomorrow. I have some weights at the resort but I will be taking it easy on lifting and eating so I have energy to ride. I will probably lose a few pounds but be leaner with more energy in a week.

My understanding is that once you start w TRT you have to be on it for life.  Thats one of the reasons amongst others I dont do any of this stuff until and unless a doc says I need to. 

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« Reply #113 on: October 04, 2021, 09:23:37 AM »
My understanding is that once you start w TRT you have to be on it for life.  Thats one of the reasons amongst others I dont do any of this stuff until and unless a doc says I need to.

I am having tendonitis and gastro issues it is time for a little break from heavy lifting eating and supplementation. I also find I have more energy for exercise when I eat a little less.  So I am going to take a week in the mountains riding a bike and let the body reset and rest. Once I get back I will reevaluate if I feel the need to do the bloodwork.

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« Reply #114 on: October 04, 2021, 10:07:50 AM »
I am having tendonitis and gastro issues it is time for a little break from heavy lifting eating and supplementation. I also find I have more energy for exercise when I eat a little less.  So I am going to take a week in the mountains riding a bike and let the body reset and rest. Once I get back I will reevaluate if I feel the need to do the bloodwork.

Bloodwork is for mere mortals.  True getbiggers die at least 3 times before accepting a transfusion.

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« Reply #115 on: October 04, 2021, 10:30:53 AM »
According Hitler's doctor's notes, Dr Morell, he was giving Hitler Schering Testosterone Enanthate. However, and I haven't researched this, the question is whether these "notes" were post-war forgeries by Jews, Germans, Americans, whoever, for propaganda purposes. I mean they did a posthumous psychological profile on Hitler claiming he had lots of perversions such scat games. Based on what I don't know.

But according to these notes Hitler was on steroids and a fuckton of various narcotics, amphetamine injections etc. Could be true I guess. I mean I think it has been verified John F Kennedy was on a bunch of anabolics along with the same types of narcotics. Now they claim Biden is on Adderall, otherwise he would just be napping. Who knows...   :D

Apmphetamines can be amazing for performance but they have to be timed just right. Overdone they will leave you weak in the knees. Maybe say 10mg, none of this hundreds of milligrams BS. Otherwise you might turn gay like Mentzer and want to fuck your training partner  :D

There is vet "upper" used in south America by powerlifters. They are so stupid they think it's just some b-vitamin concoction.  :D

I remember at first they isolated a few milligrams of testosterone from tens of thousands of liters of human urine. They also tried implanting sheep testicles into humans. The question is when test was used in any meaninful dosages in athletes.

I remember they gave some little 5 year old negro boy testosterone. Problems was the kid developed an adult size penis and was bullying the other kids in kindergarten haha.

Test propionate - 1936
Test cypionate -1951
Test enanthate - 1952-1954
Test undecanoate  - 1970s

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Re: Bodybuilding needs to die...
« Reply #116 on: October 04, 2021, 10:40:56 AM »
Test propionate - 1936
Test cypionate -1951
Test enanthate - 1952-1954
Test undecanoate  - 1970s

Injectable Testosterone derived from animals and used by professional athletes 1889

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« Reply #117 on: October 04, 2021, 10:42:50 AM »
Most in the general public are also lazy, fat, weak, and completely useless.  Think of the clintons, pelosi, bidens, and obamas.   Those entire families of disgusting slugs are populated by fat, weak, slow, complaining, whiney, useless parasites who could not work a full day or contribute a damn thing to any situation.  No damn kidding those fat nasty POS not into BB 
Don`t hold back now,tell us how you really feel.  LOL  ;D

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« Reply #118 on: October 04, 2021, 10:43:44 AM »
Don`t hold back now,tell us how you really feel.  LOL  ;D

I was holding back.  I detest these lazy liberal parasites in society   :D ;)

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« Reply #119 on: October 04, 2021, 10:55:30 AM »
Most in the general public are also lazy, fat, weak, and completely useless.  Think of the clintons, pelosi, bidens, and obamas.   Those entire families of disgusting slugs are populated by fat, weak, slow, complaining, whiney, useless parasites who could not work a full day or contribute a damn thing to any situation.  No damn kidding those fat nasty POS not into BB

Obama isn’t really fat


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« Reply #120 on: October 04, 2021, 11:00:59 AM »
Obama isn’t really fat
  Was referring to the other husband,    ;D :D

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« Reply #121 on: October 04, 2021, 11:04:07 AM »
I was holding back.  I detest these lazy liberal parasites in society   :D ;)
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« Reply #122 on: October 04, 2021, 11:06:10 AM »
Half of Getbig sounds like Robbie and Arnold and Nick hits the nail on the head with his analysis


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« Reply #123 on: October 04, 2021, 11:24:54 AM »
Walker won because it was a weak year coming off of Covid. Kuclo, Iain, and Walker all got lucky this year with everyone being Covided out, and the Arnold and Olympia being so close together.

If the Olympia line up is close to last year, the three of them will be back in the mid to higher single digits rank wise.


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« Reply #124 on: October 04, 2021, 12:14:55 PM »
Kennedy received testosterone daily during his entire presidency. His daily dose of oral methyltestosterone started out as 10 mg, and on several occasions it was increased to 25 mg/d. The summary medication sheet for May 1962 indicates that his physicians began trying different testosterone preparations at that time (44). From 1 to 7 May, he received between 50 mg and 75 mg of testosterone aqueous suspension for 4 days, and from 10 to 28 May, he received either 5 mg or 10 mg of oral fluoxymesterone.

This is confirmed by the observation of Rose Kennedy, who stated in a diary entry on 3 November 1960 that “Jack looks unusually well. His cheeks have filled out amazingly since I saw him in June. He has lost that lean Lincolnesque look which I secretly like better” (51).



Halotestin too haha.

Rose wasn't a fan of the roid bloated face :D