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The road to tyranny.

Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month to remain insured

BY EMILY WOODRUFF | STAFF WRITER SEP 30, 2021

As the deadline nears for Ochsner Health employees to get vaccinated or lose their jobs, the health system is also increasing pressure for employees' family members to get a shot.

Ochsner, the state's largest health system, will now add a health insurance surcharge of $100 per pay period for employees with unvaccinated domestic partners or spouses who are covered under the system's benefits plan, according to a letter Ochsner leaders sent to employees.

The “spousal COVID vaccine fee,” will begin in 2022 and could deduct up to $2,400 yearly from an employee’s bi-weekly paycheck. According to the letter, the fee is only for domestic partners or spouses, not other dependents, such as children, who are covered by the employee’s health insurance and are eligible for vaccination.

The change comes after an evaluation of plan benefits, services and costs, CEO Warner Thomas said.

"The reality is the cost of treating COVID-19, particularly for patients requiring intensive inpatient care, is expensive, and we spent more than $9 million on COVID care for those who are covered on our health plans over the last year," said Thomas in an emailed statement.

It's becoming more common for employers to make unvaccinated people on employer-sponsored insurance plans pay more to cover the high potential cost of COVID care.

Delta Air Lines, for instance, announced it would raise health insurance premiums by $200 per month for unvaccinated employees starting Nov. 1. In a memo to employees, Delta CEO Ed Bastian said that COVID-19 hospitalizations cost the company an average of $50,000 per case.

Thomas said the surcharge is part of an effort to keep health premiums low for employees. Unvaccinated patients accounted for 90% of COVID hospitalizations in Ochsner facilities.

The premium for unvaccinated spouses shifts that cost to those who accept that risk, said Charles Stoecker, a Tulane University professor who studies the economics of health care and vaccination.

"Now those people have some incentives to consider the cost of the care that they're asking other people to pay for," said Stoecker. "If you're asking everybody else to assume the risk for your unvaccinated stay in the ICU, it does make more sense that you should have to kick in more into the insurance pool."

Stoecker said the policy was similar to a common insurance surcharge for smoking.

Employers are well within their rights to require vaccination from employees and people for whom they provide insurance, according to New Orleans attorney Joel Friedman, a professor at Tulane University who specializes in employment and labor law.

“They have a right to minimize their risks,” said Friedman. “If you have a right to fire a guy for not getting vaccinated, you certainly have the right to put in economic disincentives for people who refuse to get vaccinated.”

As a self-insured organization, Ochsner bears the cost directly from COVID patients who are on their insurance plans.

Earlier this month, a judge dismissed a lawsuit from 48 employees of Ochsner Lafayette General over the health system’s vaccination requirement.

In August, Ochsner joined a growing number of hospitals across the country in requiring all employees to be inoculated. A month out from the October 29 deadline, 82% of Ochsner employees are fully vaccinated and around 86% have received a first dose, according to Thomas. Among physicians and hospital leaders, 98% are vaccinated.

Franciscan Missionaries of Our Lady Health System was the first large hospital system in Louisiana to announce an employee vaccine mandate, which will be enforced between the end of October or end of November, depending on the employee's position. Since then, LCMC Health, which operates six hospitals in New Orleans, announced a vaccination deadline of December 30 for employees.

Soon nearly every hospital will need to create a vaccination requirement for employees. The federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services recently announced that any health care facility receiving federal funds would also need to comply with an employee vaccination requirement. CMS has not yet released details or a deadline for that mandate.

The letter from Ochsner said that other health care organizations in the state such as Our Lady of the Lake and LCMC Health would be asking the families of employees to be vaccinated. Representatives for those hospitals said they did not plan to charge a fee for unvaccinated spouses or partners.

Ochsner emphasized that this is not a forced requirement and employee spouses and partners could pursue other insurance coverage.

"This is not a mandate as non-employed spouses and domestic partners can choose to select a health plan outside of Ochsner Health offerings," said Thomas.

Approximately 300 of Ochsner's 33,000 employees have applied for medical or religious exemptions to date. Spouses and partners may also apply for those types of exemptions.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_655e1d94-2220-11ec-9d79-2f7db348f897.html

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2021, 04:37:04 AM »
Unreal.

Will they surcharge for the obese and smokers too?

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2021, 05:58:59 AM »
Make it 2000 so we can see some commotion. Cowards.

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2021, 09:01:32 AM »
Unreal.

Will they surcharge for the obese and smokers too?
there's already an insurance surcharge for smokers, you pay a %50 higher premium. 

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2021, 10:08:22 AM »
there's already an insurance surcharge for smokers, you pay a %50 higher premium.

Not for the employee's family members who smoke.

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2021, 03:38:45 PM »
The road to tyranny.

Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month to remain insured

BY EMILY WOODRUFF | STAFF WRITER SEP 30, 2021

As the deadline nears for Ochsner Health employees to get vaccinated or lose their jobs, the health system is also increasing pressure for employees' family members to get a shot.

Ochsner, the state's largest health system, will now add a health insurance surcharge of $100 per pay period for employees with unvaccinated domestic partners or spouses who are covered under the system's benefits plan, according to a letter Ochsner leaders sent to employees.

The “spousal COVID vaccine fee,” will begin in 2022 and could deduct up to $2,400 yearly from an employee’s bi-weekly paycheck. According to the letter, the fee is only for domestic partners or spouses, not other dependents, such as children, who are covered by the employee’s health insurance and are eligible for vaccination.

The change comes after an evaluation of plan benefits, services and costs, CEO Warner Thomas said.

"The reality is the cost of treating COVID-19, particularly for patients requiring intensive inpatient care, is expensive, and we spent more than $9 million on COVID care for those who are covered on our health plans over the last year," said Thomas in an emailed statement.

It's becoming more common for employers to make unvaccinated people on employer-sponsored insurance plans pay more to cover the high potential cost of COVID care.

Delta Air Lines, for instance, announced it would raise health insurance premiums by $200 per month for unvaccinated employees starting Nov. 1. In a memo to employees, Delta CEO Ed Bastian said that COVID-19 hospitalizations cost the company an average of $50,000 per case.

Thomas said the surcharge is part of an effort to keep health premiums low for employees. Unvaccinated patients accounted for 90% of COVID hospitalizations in Ochsner facilities.

The premium for unvaccinated spouses shifts that cost to those who accept that risk, said Charles Stoecker, a Tulane University professor who studies the economics of health care and vaccination.

"Now those people have some incentives to consider the cost of the care that they're asking other people to pay for," said Stoecker. "If you're asking everybody else to assume the risk for your unvaccinated stay in the ICU, it does make more sense that you should have to kick in more into the insurance pool."

Stoecker said the policy was similar to a common insurance surcharge for smoking.

Employers are well within their rights to require vaccination from employees and people for whom they provide insurance, according to New Orleans attorney Joel Friedman, a professor at Tulane University who specializes in employment and labor law.

“They have a right to minimize their risks,” said Friedman. “If you have a right to fire a guy for not getting vaccinated, you certainly have the right to put in economic disincentives for people who refuse to get vaccinated.”

As a self-insured organization, Ochsner bears the cost directly from COVID patients who are on their insurance plans.

Earlier this month, a judge dismissed a lawsuit from 48 employees of Ochsner Lafayette General over the health system’s vaccination requirement.

In August, Ochsner joined a growing number of hospitals across the country in requiring all employees to be inoculated. A month out from the October 29 deadline, 82% of Ochsner employees are fully vaccinated and around 86% have received a first dose, according to Thomas. Among physicians and hospital leaders, 98% are vaccinated.

Franciscan Missionaries of Our Lady Health System was the first large hospital system in Louisiana to announce an employee vaccine mandate, which will be enforced between the end of October or end of November, depending on the employee's position. Since then, LCMC Health, which operates six hospitals in New Orleans, announced a vaccination deadline of December 30 for employees.

Soon nearly every hospital will need to create a vaccination requirement for employees. The federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services recently announced that any health care facility receiving federal funds would also need to comply with an employee vaccination requirement. CMS has not yet released details or a deadline for that mandate.

The letter from Ochsner said that other health care organizations in the state such as Our Lady of the Lake and LCMC Health would be asking the families of employees to be vaccinated. Representatives for those hospitals said they did not plan to charge a fee for unvaccinated spouses or partners.

Ochsner emphasized that this is not a forced requirement and employee spouses and partners could pursue other insurance coverage.

"This is not a mandate as non-employed spouses and domestic partners can choose to select a health plan outside of Ochsner Health offerings," said Thomas.

Approximately 300 of Ochsner's 33,000 employees have applied for medical or religious exemptions to date. Spouses and partners may also apply for those types of exemptions.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_655e1d94-2220-11ec-9d79-2f7db348f897.html

what's the average bill for a hospital stay for Covid

It's a hell of a lot more than $200 a month

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/health/covid-19-hospitalization-cost-vaccination/index.html

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
Not for the employee's family members who smoke.

how do you know?

btw - did you see this sentence in the story you posted

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Thomas said the surcharge is part of an effort to keep health premiums low for employees. Unvaccinated patients accounted for 90% of COVID hospitalizations in Ochsner facilities.

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2021, 05:37:04 PM »
Not for the employee's family members who smoke.

Then there should be.  Stat.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2021, 05:54:08 PM »
Then there should be.  Stat.

And for fat people.  Stat.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2021, 06:02:38 PM »
Then there should be.  Stat.

Seriously bro?  You think an employer should force your family member to get shots, medical procedures, etc.?  You don't believe that.

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2021, 06:05:07 PM »
And for fat people.  Stat.

That would actually make more sense given the relationship between Covid hospitalizations and obesity.

But that would still be a tyrannical abuse of civil liberties. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2021, 06:30:12 PM »
That would actually make more sense given the relationship between Covid hospitalizations and obesity.

But that would still be a tyrannical abuse of civil liberties. 

It's a Pandora's Box.

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2021, 06:56:19 PM »
It's a Pandora's Box.

Definitely.  The box is open already.  We set the stage for this by rolling over and allowing mayors and governors to suspend state laws and constitutions, indefinitely, with very little pushback.  It's a runaway train.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2021, 08:25:05 PM »
Seriously bro?  You think an employer should force your family member to get shots, medical procedures, etc.?  You don't believe that.

I was responding to your post about smoking.  If you cover a smoker there should be a surcharge.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2021, 10:27:09 PM »
Definitely.  The box is open already.  We set the stage for this by rolling over and allowing mayors and governors to suspend state laws and constitutions, indefinitely, with very little pushback.  It's a runaway train.
They will get away with it until they don't get away with it. There will be millions of disgruntled individuals with an axe to grind. I suspect some of these "leaders" will get a little surprise waiting for them eventually.

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2021, 10:42:47 PM »
No worries though.. no vax for illegals and free healthcare!!

Good country amerika!!

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2021, 10:46:03 PM »
I was responding to your post about smoking.  If you cover a smoker there should be a surcharge.

Ok.  Tracking.  But where do you draw the line?  If they impose a penalty on the employee because his wife smokes, should they also impose a penalty if the wife is obese? 

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2021, 10:48:01 PM »
They will get away with it until they don't get away with it. There will be millions of disgruntled individuals with an axe to grind. I suspect some of these "leaders" will get a little surprise waiting for them eventually.

I want to believe you.  The past 1.5 years of people just bending over and taking it gives me great pause.  If enough people fought these mandates, etc. the mandates would stop.  But it's really hard when you're talking about the ability of folks to put food on their table.   

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2021, 12:16:16 AM »
Ok.  Tracking.  But where do you draw the line?  If they impose a penalty on the employee because his wife smokes, should they also impose a penalty if the wife is obese?

Sure.  If the employee doesn't like it, his/her spouse can either quit smoking, lose weight or go out and pick up his/her own policy therefore not punishing the employee. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2021, 10:09:21 AM »
Seriously bro?  You think an employer should force your family member to get shots, medical procedures, etc.?  You don't believe that.

No one is forcing them to get anything "bro"

All they are saying is if you don't get vaccinated you're a higher financial risk (and they have the data to prove it) so you have to pay a bit more in monthly premium

that's all so... relax bro



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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2021, 05:54:44 PM »
The road to tyranny.

Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month to remain insured

BY EMILY WOODRUFF | STAFF WRITER SEP 30, 2021

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_655e1d94-2220-11ec-9d79-2f7db348f897.html

Vaccination Mandates Are an American Tradition. So Is the Backlash. The roots of U.S. vaccine mandates predate both the U.S. and vaccines.




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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2021, 06:01:35 PM »
Not for the employee's family members who smoke.

That's actually a good idea since second hand smoke has been shown to cause lung cancer. My stepdad didn't smoke cigarettes and my mom was a chain smoker. My stepdad died from lung cancer. My mom died from emphysema. If a family member smokes and you don't, insist that do it outside or at least in the garage.   

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Re: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2021, 09:28:52 AM »
Vaccination Mandates Are an American Tradition.


So is Slavery....... does that make it right?

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2021, 09:47:52 AM »
So is Slavery....... does that make it right?

An absolutely ignorant attempt at moral equivalency.  Please try again.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2021, 09:53:25 AM »
They should absolutely charge fat people more.