There’s a way not to die from bodybuilding

[BBSSchlemiel]

Here it is: don’t do drugs.

Often after bodybuilding deaths we hear, “Things need to change.” Well, like, uh, bodybuilders don’t want to change and they love having roided-up bodies. How’s that supposed to work?

[IroNat]

[bhank]

Everyone dies there is no known way not to Die from Life yet

[Les Grossman]

Everyone dies there is no known way not to Die from Life yet

Most don’t die from a bleeding asshole though.

[bhank]

Most don’t die from a bleeding asshole though.

3rd leading cause of cancer related deaths in the US involves passing blood dying from it is a lot more common than  you realize what the fuck do you think people die from???

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/colon-rectal-cancer/about/key-statistics.html

[IroNat]

Everyone dies there is no known way not to Die from Life yet

But not usually at 37.

You'd be dead 6 years already and your kid would not ever be born.

[King Shizzo]

Everyone dies there is no known way not to Die from Life yet

Ask Wes.

[Van_Bilderass]

There is absolutely nothing to be done to prevent deaths like George Peterson, if we assume it was a heart attack most likely induced or affected by drugs. What could be done? Absolutely nothing, at least by the orgs.

Individual bodybuilders could prevent some of these instances by doing health testing that is available. For example Dallas McCarver could have discovered he had blocked arteries by doing certain types of testing. But it's up to the individual.

Diuretic testing won't work much either. There's a reason it was dropped. Guys started searching for other drugs to diurese more, some just tried not drinking for 3 days. Dehydrating is dangerous even without any drugs.

There is a guru who claims hardcore diuretics can be done perfectly safely. His thing is doing Aldactone for a number of days, not to dehydrate but to build up potassium stores. Then you can do Lasix or similar safely the day before. 
Of course this is what has already been done for decades.

But then you have madmen like Aceto who mix 5 different diuretics, sometimes on top of heavy fluid restriction 

[BBSSchlemiel]

There is absolutely nothing to be done to prevent deaths like George Peterson, if we assume it was a heart attack most likely induced or affected by drugs. What could be done? Absolutely nothing, at least by the orgs.

Individual bodybuilders could prevent some of these instances by doing health testing that is available. For example Dallas McCarver could have discovered he had blocked arteries by doing certain types of testing. But it's up to the individual.

Diuretic testing won't work much either. There's a reason it was dropped. Guys started searching for other drugs to diurese more, some just tried not drinking for 3 days. Dehydrating is dangerous even without any drugs.

They can simply choose not to participate in drug-aided bodybuilding.

[Van_Bilderass]

They can simply choose not to participate in drug-aided bodybuilding.

Absolutely. That's a sure way not to die from drugs. But it's not an option if competitive bodybuilding is their thing.

[BB]

They can simply choose not to participate in drug-aided bodybuilding.

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[bhank]

But not usually at 37.

You'd be dead 6 years already and your kid would not ever be born.

A couple teenagers die playing high school sports every year we don't know what caused his death and attributing it to bodybuilding or drugs is mere speculation

[Spike]

more people die from tylenol

prob even more deaths from legal supps like hydroxycut took that moms liver or kids overdosing on anhydrous caffeine


don’t compete on a pro level and expect too much would be the better answer

guru should be renamed to grim reapers

[residue]

more people die from tylenol

prob even more deaths from legal supps like hydroxycut took that moms liver or kids overdosing on anhydrous caffeine


don’t compete on a pro level and expect too much would be the better answer

guru should be renamed to grim reapers

how many people take tylenol every year? Billions prob, those are statistical outliers. How many pro bodybuilders are they? 250? 500? it's a much smaller pool
 

[funk51]

https://barbend.com/ms-olympia-winners/?fbclid=IwAR3vNnPZpw5dKk9tZRU3JyoA5wpgJti--KqM5tvUl22733xX_73cdZLD7DI

[funk51]

   

     do the opposite

[TheAnimal]

more people die from tylenol

prob even more deaths from legal supps like hydroxycut took that moms liver or kids overdosing on anhydrous caffeine


don’t compete on a pro level and expect too much would be the better answer

guru should be renamed to grim reapers

I touched on this in another thread, however I think there is something to be said about the guru/coach dynamic in bodybuilding attributed fatality and illness. Whilst some coaches may encourage blood work, organ scans, monitoring heart rate and blood pressure to check in on their clients they will most likely be "prescribing" the doses necessary for the look required to be competitive onstage anyway. For example, some abnormalities may be dismissed for x reason.

There is also the idea that the athlete/bodybuilder is absolving their personal responsibility to health risk management through adhering to the PED guidelines of the coach. For example, "this is what needs to be done, so I will do it" rather than the personal reflection of "this PED protocol would help bring x look to the stage but I should also consider xyz factors". I do also believe when it comes to managing personal health in relation to PED side effects, there is potential for the athlete to listen to biofeedback and adjust accordingly. This won't be 100% effective in avoiding unintended consequences of elite bodybuilding.

I believe many elite level bodybuilders are very in tune with their own body and mind - levels of fatigue, mood, anxiety, muscle recovery, CNS, appetite, feeling flat or full, flu and cold-like symptoms and other aspects such as workout quality (not necessarily in reference to rep/set). These aspects of feedback are inner and whilst coaches will be able to see feedback on a physical level often to great detail and through phone and text consultation. The athlete/bodybuilder may put inner negative feedback aside in favour of achieving their goals and satisfying the guidelines prescribed by the coach. The end result could be ignoring and pushing aside warning signs that could have helped save his or her own life.

[Bevo]

I don’t hear about NFL, NBA, MLB, players dying at the rate of bbers do

People will justify and make excuses for  anything so they can sleep better at night with “well, you can die doing this or that, or taking this and that”

[Bevo]

A couple teenagers die playing high school sports every year we don't know what caused his death and attributing it to bodybuilding or drugs is mere speculation

You’re not very smart, but then again, don’t expect much

How many kids playing sports by population? Stats and numbers compared to bbers at the pro and amateur level

[BBSSchlemiel]

Everyone dies there is no known way not to Die from Life yet

Haha, me funny, me edgelord, me so smart.

[bhank]

You’re not very smart, but then again, don’t expect much

How many kids playing sports by population? Stats and numbers compared to bbers at the pro and amateur level

Stop you couldn't pass a statistics exam if your life depended on it. One in 5 heart attacks is under 40 years old this guy having a heart attack and dying at 37 is not some kind of statistical anomaly and may have nothing to do with bodybuilding

[TheShape.]

Hello to your Mr. Olympia 2022 contestants -

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Janoy had good legs, when you crop off the upper body he looks great.

[obsidian]

Janoy had good legs, when you crop off the upper body he looks great.

Agreed. Great potential in the leg department!

[oldtimer1]

Using bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health.  Due to the illegal nature of drug use we don't have statistical analysis that is comprehensive.  Bodybuilding drugs increase the risk of heart attack, stroke, liver disease, prostate health and kidneys. Some speculate tren damages lungs. Most users want to rationalize the health risk away with illogical spin. They sound like smokers that point out they know a 80 something person that smoked their whole life. Will smoking lead to heart attack, cancer and lung disorders for all? No, but it increases the risk dramatically.

 Same rationalization that some fat people say they won't run because they heard of a runner having a heart attack. Being in good cardio shape has prevented more heart attacks than it has caused. First thing after clearance from a cardiologist after a heart attack is rehab doing cardio exercise.

Bodybuilding could be the show case for health but drugs has wrecked it.  Also tired of guys that want credit for their drug physique.  I wish one would say completely off drugs I look like crap so it's not my gym knowledge or work ethic that's responsible. It's all drugs.

[bhank]

Using bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health.  Due to the illegal nature of drug use we don't have statistical analysis that is comprehensive.  Bodybuilding drugs increase the risk of heart attack, stroke, liver disease, prostate health and kidneys. Some speculate tren damages lungs. Most users want to rationalize the health risk away with illogical spin. They sound like smokers that point out they know a 80 something person that smoked their whole life. Will smoking lead to heart attack, cancer and lung disorders for all? No, but it increases the risk dramatically.

 Same rationalization that some fat people say they won't run because they heard of a runner having a heart attack. Being in good cardio shape has prevented more heart attacks than it has caused. First thing after clearance from a cardiologist after a heart attack is rehab doing cardio exercise.

Bodybuilding could be the show case for health but drugs has wrecked it.  Also tired of guys that want credit for their drug physique.  I wish one would say completely off drugs I look like crap so it's not my gym knowledge or work ethic that's responsible. It's all drugs.

But that is nonsense if you put rocket fuel in a Pinto it still isn't going anywhere fast. You can't just take a slob sitting on the couch give them supplements and expect them to turn into an athlete it doesn't work that way.