Is he wrong?

[oldtimer1]

I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running.  My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu.  He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age.  He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight? 

One thing for sure when I took Jui jitsu Craig Kukuk said in effect and this isn't an exact quote that so many insecure weird guys get involved in jui jitsu. It's the same insecurity that makes guys flock to drugs and bodybuilding.

My son in law points out a guy in his dojo that looks like a soccer player. He runs everyday and no one would confuse him with being a bodybuilder though he is in outstanding conditioning. He said he's a submitting machine and strikes like a mule. Do mules strike? 

[Cook]

They kick and occasionally bite

[bhank]

I used to wrestler and did some BJJ and submission grappling. The thing is as you get older having other dudes practice twisting your arm all day is a good way to get injured. Being strong and athletic as you age is going to do you more good in a fight than practicing arm bars on a matt all day. But really if you are benching 400lbs no one is ever going to want to fight you anyway especially some 150lb BJJ idiot who thinks he is a ninja

[funk51]

 

[oldtimer1]

I used to wrestler and did some BJJ and submission grappling. The thing is as you get older having other dudes practice twisting your arm all day is a good way to get injured. Being strong and athletic as you age is going to do you more good in a fight than practicing arm bars on a matt all day. But really if you are benching 400lbs no one is ever going to want to fight you anyway especially some 150lb BJJ idiot who thinks he is a ninja

I never bench 400. 300lb was my best at around 180lbs. Benching doesn't equal fighting ability. I  see big benchers punch the heavy bag like a wimp.  Strength doesn't always mean you have power. Stuff like sprinting, jumping and punching is an illustration of power and not strength. Sport wrestling is really a great martial art. How many good wrestlers can take someone down and pound them? Sport wrestlers make the quickest transition to BJJ once they learn that giving up their back is a mistake.

[oldtimer1]

 

Having a 400lbs man on top makes it nearly impossible for a small BJJ to get out. My son in law mentions that if he has good position at 325lbs even good guys have trouble reversing it. Bas is the real deal. An incredible striker that would lose early on to BJJ submissions. Once he picked it up he was just amazing having that combo of striking and submissions.

[IroNat]

At 320 is your son in law obese or is he really tall?

[epic is back]

Cliffs

Old small one

[Darren Avey]

Bhank, lol you think bench press makes you a fighter lol!!

[IroNat]

In a self-defense situation you don't want to roll around on the pavement for five minutes trying to arm bar someone.  Meanwhile his buddy is kicking you in the head.

Self-defense is a different animal.  You want to end it quick and get away.  You go for vitals.

This kind of fighting is dirty and easy to learn.  It doesn't require hours of training and attending a dojo.  It doesn't require a high level of conditioning.

You can teach somebody in 5 minutes.

It's not a schoolyard fight.  It's a different mindset.

[oldtimer1]

At 320 is your son in law obese or is he really tall?

He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.

[karasan]

He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.

Let's hope he doesn't break your daughter's back 😂

[IroNat]

He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.

Still at that height and weight he must be really fat.  Those guys in the NFL are 50-100 lbs overweight.  Not healthy.

[epic is back]

Your stats ?

[IroNat]

Your stats ?

6'2" 198.

You?

[Hypertrophy]

I know every one in physical culture takes their own road. For some it's cross fit. For others it's something like bodybuilding or running. My son in law is around 320lbs and he trains hard in jui jitsu.  He always tries to get me to return to the mats but I have no desire to roll on the mats with smelly guys at my age.  He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight? 

Heart attack waiting to happen

[Grape Ape]

He says referring to lifting what good is being able to bench 400lbs and have a beach body if a person would have trouble beating a white belt from my dojo in a fight? 

Should people forego benching 400 and looking good in daily life on the off chance some asshole white belt from his dojo picks a fight?

[epic is back]

6'2" 198.

You?

5,10 205

[IroNat]

Are you lifting for self defense?  I don't.

If you were then your son in law would be correct.  Is that why you lift?

Your son in law's logic is somewhat flawed  because a skinny guy with a knife or gun will kill his badass dojo boy easily.

How about the other guy takes his eyes out?  Nasty

A controlled sport fight is different.

He is training his guys for safe, controlled fighting which is understandable.
 

[Hypertrophy]

He's about 6'4" he's big like a lineman in the NFL.

[IroNat]

5,10 205

Should drop 20 lbs.

[Humble Narcissist]

How many fights do adults get in?  There is no reason to do martial arts that are physically damaging to the body as an older man.  As a young person an injury may take a few days or a week to heal.  As an old person it may never heal.

When you are in your teens and twenties do the MA and the strength training.  As an older person you cruise on much smaller volume and much safer practices.

[bhank]

Bhank, lol you think bench press makes you a fighter lol!!

All else being equal the guy with a 300lb bench has a fighting advantage over the guy with 150lb bench size and strength absolutely play a role in fighting they have weight classes for a reason

[Humble Narcissist]

All else being equal the guy with a 300lb bench has a fighting advantage over the guy with 150lb bench size and strength absolutely play a role in fighting they have weight classes for a reason

They have weight divisions not strength divisions.

[bhank]

They have weight divisions not strength divisions.

Last I checked when you add strength through training and hypertrophy you add weight and size. Would you not agree the average 300lb bench presser is going to weigh more than there average 150lb bench presser? I realize powerlifters train to add strength in weight class but again generally speaking when you add strength and muscle you gain weight.  Stronger people on average are heavier people they have weight classes because size and strength are positively correlated if bigger people were not stronger they wouldn't need weight classes