Hey Wes

[deadz]

Not a fan of melatonin.

[Van_Bilderass]

One of my doctors precibes generic Ambien to me,I take 2 and stare at the ceiling all night.....one pill is the recommended dosage.

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Ever posted something after taking Ambien and forgot you did so? This stuff is actually dangerous in that respect, it may make you do some crazy/dangerous shit. I scared myself once, I had driven on it, picked up some take out and had no recollection of having done it the next day.
It can be somewhat pleasant as a rec drug, things float in your visual field, anxiety gone as it's like a benzo, especially surfing the net can be fun on it. But you might also send some crazy texts to people.

[ThisisOverload]

Ever posted something after taking Ambien and forgot you did so? This stuff is actually dangerous in that respect, it may make you do some crazy/dangerous shit. I scared myself once, I had driven on it, picked up some take out and had no recollection of having done it the next day.
It can be somewhat pleasant as a rec drug, things float in your visual field, anxiety gone as it's like a benzo, especially surfing the net can be fun on it. But you might also send some crazy texts to people.

My friend said if you take 2-3 of them and stay awake, you start to trip a little.

Never tried it.

[Straw Man]

ZMA works well for me and I take it pretty much every night
I've used this before and it's pretty good
https://biotest.t-nation.com/products/z-12
I noticed that when I took it if I happened to get up in the middle of the night to take a piss that I would fall back to sleep very quickly

I also think CBD can be helpful

[Van_Bilderass]

ZMA works well for me and I take it pretty much every night
I've used this before and it's pretty good
https://biotest.t-nation.com/products/z-12
I noticed that when I took it if I happened to get up in the middle of the night to take a piss that I would fall back to sleep very quickly

I also think CBD can be helpful

Phenibut works amazingly well. But it's also a serious drug that should be treated as you would treat GHB or a benzo. I use it right now but it does cause addiction and potentially serious withdrawals.

But I believe that product/ingredient works well, better than anything else on the legal market. Thought I think phenibut is a gray area product.

[CalvinH]

I also think CBD can be helpful

Tried that a few times but after a couple of weeks it didn't work anymore.


...PIP Pellius, reading his long winded posts was great at helping me fall asleep

[Primemuscle]

Not a fan of melatonin.

Any particular reason?

[Straw Man]

Phenibut works amazingly well. But it's also a serious drug that should be treated as you would treat GHB or a benzo. I use it right now but it does cause addiction and potentially serious withdrawals.

But I believe that product/ingredient works well, better than anything else on the legal market. Thought I think phenibut is a gray area product.

I've used the Biotest product with phenibut and have never experienced anything like a withdrawal or a hangover
The recommended dose is two caps but I often only took one (though I have used 2 sometime).  Of course everyone is different so others may have a different experience. 

WEBMD says that is can result in dependence and withdrawals if taken regularly. 

 https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1184/phenibut

Biotest's website includes this verbiage

PhGABA
The main workhorse in Z-12 is PhGABA. The compound is a derivative of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA. When we're stressed, our brains experience an uninterrupted flow of stimulatory neurotransmitters and this causes restlessness, and irritability.

GABA, and compounds related to it like the PhGABA in Biotest's Z-12, inhibit the flow of these stimulatory neurotransmitters, thereby allowing the brain and body to relax. PhGABA not only acts like GABA, but it also causes the release of GABA for a one-two sleep-inducing punch.

There have been a ton of studies on PhGABA and its effects on relaxation.

Furthermore, double-blind studies found the compound to increase intellectual function, improve physical strength, and reduce fatigue in neurotic patients. While it's not commonly known as a performance-enhancing supplement, PhGABA has been shown to improve work capacity in humans, along with increasing the performance of animals on swim tests.

PhGABA is an amazingly safe compound. Unlike many compounds, it seems to have no known negative side effects. In fact, it's even been found to have cardioprotective properties. The plasma half-life of a 250-mg dose of PhGABA is 5.3 hours, and most of the compound is excreted unchanged.

[Grape Ape]

Wes,

I have given you the answer in the first post.

Ignore everything else, except Rambone.

[US MUSL]

IM LIGHTWEIGHT 3MG MELATONIN KNOCKS ME OUT....

Same here.

[Van_Bilderass]

I've used the Biotest product with phenibut and have never experienced anything like a withdrawal or a hangover
The recommended dose is two caps but I often only took one (though I have used 2 sometime).  Of course everyone is different so others may have a different experience. 

It's originally a Russian drug for many ailments. Though they say it's to be taken for a maximum of 20 days IIRC. About 20 years ago I used it for a few months and when I stopped I literally didn't sleep for 2 weeks with extreme anxiety round the clock. But it's a great drug, very nice for anxiety, sleep etc.

[_bruce_]

wes' body("proto fossil") is more in tune with plants and animals that have died out long ago.
Dinosaur "milk" - straight from the tap is out of stock... unfortunately. 

[wes]

Ever posted something after taking Ambien and forgot you did so? This stuff is actually dangerous in that respect, it may make you do some crazy/dangerous shit. I scared myself once, I had driven on it, picked up some take out and had no recollection of having done it the next day.
It can be somewhat pleasant as a rec drug, things float in your visual field, anxiety gone as it's like a benzo, especially surfing the net can be fun on it. But you might also send some crazy texts to people.

That was my daily life for far too many years......not trying to get high anymore bro.....I wasted about 33 years of my life doing dumb shit.

I still do dumb stuff daily,but I remember doing it and I never wake up on jail.

[wes]

wes' body("proto fossil") is more in tune with plants and animals that have died out long ago.
Dinosaur "milk" - straight from the tap is out of stock... unfortunately. 

LOL 

[Van_Bilderass]

That was my daily life for far too many years......not trying to get high anymore bro.....I wasted about 33 years of my life doing dumb shit.

I still do dumb stuff daily,but I remember doing it and I never wake up on jail.

I'm talking regular people taking Ambien for sleep, not to get high, and then doing crazy shit like driving the wrong way on the freeway or raping people and getting off because it was due to the drug 
My own mother did some strange thing where she poured instant coffee into a cooking pan in the middle of the night.
One friend who sometimes posts here called me up one night and said, bro I'm scared, I don't know where I am, help me get home. I called him up the next day and he had no recollection of having called me. He flushed the Ambien down the toilet.

They stopped prescribing it at hospitals here in Sweden because of these strange reactions. One hell of a drug.

[Van_Bilderass]

I take zolpidem (Ambien) to sleep. I try to not rely on it, but I'm a horrendous insomniac and it works wonders for me. I've never had any weird experiences with it, thankfully. Only thing I find with it is that I don't have any recollection of becoming drowsy; it's just one minute I'm awake in bed, and then I'm gone. I find I need to sleep less when I take it, too. I'll wake up earlier but more refreshed.

Many get it prescribed for long periods but the guidelines say it's not supposed to be taken for more than 14 days in a row. It's been shown to worsen sleep parameters. One weird thing I've noticed is after I've taken it for a month and then get off I've actually slept subjectively better and longer. I think Ambien can wake you up early due to an acute drug withdrawal effect, it's so quick going in and out. This has been hypothesized by others than myself. Some have to take another dose in the middle of the night.

[wes]

I'm talking regular people taking Ambien for sleep,

Are you insinuating than I`m irregular as a person,if so,.....you`d be quite correct ?  LOL 

I take zolpidem (Ambien) to sleep. I try to not rely on it, but I'm a horrendous insomniac and it works wonders for me. I've never had any weird experiences with it, thankfully. Only thing I find with it is that I don't have any recollection of becoming drowsy; it's just one minute I'm awake in bed, and then I'm gone. I find I need to sleep less when I take it, too. I'll wake up earlier but more refreshed.

Dude,I could take a whole bottle of the stuff and just stare at my ceiling....lack of sleep is almost as bad as lack of pussy not that I have any idea what lack of pussy is like. 

I always had a high tolerance for pills........much to my dismay at times.

[wes]

Wes,

I have given you the answer in the first post.

Ignore everything else, except Rambone.

I`ll try it and keep you posted.......thanks bud.

[Grape Ape]

I`ll try it and keep you posted.......thanks bud.

Be patient though.

Not instant, develop a routine.

Took me a week.

Your exercising will help your mind as well.  You'll sleep better knowing you did the work.

[Taffin]

I take zolpidem (Ambien) to sleep. I try to not rely on it, but I'm a horrendous insomniac and it works wonders for me. I've never had any weird experiences with it, thankfully. Only thing I find with it is that I don't have any recollection of becoming drowsy; it's just one minute I'm awake in bed, and then I'm gone. I find I need to sleep less when I take it, too. I'll wake up earlier but more refreshed.

Are you insinuating than I`m irregular as a person,if so,.....you`d be quite correct ?  LOL 
Dude,I could take a whole bottle of the stuff and just stare at my ceiling....lack of sleep is almost as bad as lack of pussy not that I have any idea what lack of pussy is like. 

I always had a high tolerance for pills........much to my dismay at times.

Me too.  When I took zopiclone for sleep, all it did was make things taste weird and metallic - didn't make me sleepy

Melatonin can work, but for me, I find you have to be ready to shut down as soon as you feel it start to tickle - if you ignore that for even a couple of minutes and it goes away then you've lost your 'in'