Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code

[Matt]

About a week ago I spent eight hours in the ICU (not as a patient) of a major urban Canadian hospital. The nurses all had their masks under their noses and were chit-chatting, sitting about … and easily a third of the rooms were empty. I strolled about, glancing at the med charts outside each occupied “bay”, and only saw what-you’d-expect situations (heart, overdose, etc.).

This is Clown World.

It’s absolutely terrifying how so many STILL cannot comprehend how badly we’ve been played.

A headline in one of today’s major online pubs reads (I paraphrase) “Experts Warn of Impending Collapse of the Health Care System”. The accompanying photo shows paramedics wheeling an occupied stretcher into a hospital.

NO ONE WITH COVID/OMNICRON IS BEING ESCORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO HOSPITAL, ANYWHERE.

MEDIA=VIRUS

The corruption, evil and deception is just on a whole other level.

Hey Fortress - this got scrubbed from YouTube, and took me a while to dig up. I hope you like it:

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/video?clipId=2134450

[Al Doggity]

No, but where I am, Indigenous people with headaches fill up the ER. They disproportionately use healthcare resources. I suspect the average Indigenous person has twice as much spent on them as the average White person. That's typical though - they are given more government money for everything.

OK. They must be the flipside of the "empty" ICUs.

[Matt]

OK. They must be the flipside of the "empty" ICUs.

Our ICU in Thunder Bay WAS overwhelmed, but:

- We only have 22 fucking beds, and didn't add ONE NEW FUCKING BED THIS ENTIRE TIME.
- We went up to 26-27 in use at our peak.
- Indigenous people were probably over 15 of those 26-27.

Oh...and we spent $2.5 billion in Thunder Bay on this pandemic.

But not one new bed for our overwhelmed ICU. 

[Never1AShow]

Ok, so it's like I said- the graph is showing the current number of Covid patients, not the total number of ICU patients. That makes a difference. That means that other patients are taking up other beds. ICUs try to operate significantly under capacity , specifically when it comes to something like an ongoing communicable virus,  because there's no telling when an unexpected emergency may occur.

I didn't think there was any dispute that it was Covid ICU patients we were talking about.  It's a ridiculously low number, especially compared to the hysteria.  543 in all of Canada!

There is no hospitalization or ICU crisis from Covid patients, period.

[Al Doggity]

Our ICU in Thunder Bay WAS overwhelmed, but:

- We only have 22 fucking beds, and didn't add ONE NEW FUCKING BED THIS ENTIRE TIME.
- We went up to 26-27 in use at our peak.
- Indigenous people were probably over 15 of those 26-27.

Oh...and we spent $2.5 billion in Thunder Bay on this pandemic.

But not one new bed for our overwhelmed ICU. 

Not true, but where do you suggest they get the extra ICU beds from?
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/where-did-all-those-extra-icu-beds-go

So where did those beds go, wonder readers. We had all these extra beds in the spring, why don’t we have them now?

Simply put, we had those beds in the spring because surgeries and other treatments had been cancelled across the board as the province prepared for the onslaught of COVID-19.

As that same news release on the extra beds stated, the hospital bed occupancy rate dropped from 96.2% before procedures were cancelled to 69.1%. This is the only way the province could increase capacity.

Some steps have been taken, such as the field hospital set up in Burlington, to deal with hospital overflow, but generally speaking, to get extra beds and the staff to run them, other vital health procedures must be cancelled.

Hospital officials say that capacity can be increased to about 2,000 beds across the province but after that, things become stretched and the level of care required for ICU patients is not attainable.

Where do you suggest they get the space and staff for more ICU beds? Thin air? Alternate dimension? Just build some new hospitals and hope the media keeps buying into the fake pandemic to get around to using them?

[Al Doggity]

I didn't think there was any dispute that it was Covid ICU patients we were talking about.  It's a ridiculously low number, especially compared to the hysteria.  543 in all of Canada!

There is no hospitalization or ICU crisis from Covid patients, period.

That's more than 25% of  all current ICU patients. You do realize there are many other reasons people need to be treated in the ICU?

[Never1AShow]

That's more than 25% of  all current ICU patients. You do realize there are many other reasons people need to be treated in the ICU?

I've posted links showing there are clearly enough beds available in ICUs, just some shitty areas overwhelmed.  Matt says the ICU capacity where he lives was increased from 22 to 27 beds, but is now back down to 22.  That's a 20% increase.  It's a self created staffing crisis also.

[Al Doggity]

I've posted links showing there are clearly enough beds available in ICUs, just some shitty areas overwhelmed.  Matt says the ICU capacity where he lives was increased from 22 to 27 beds, but is now back down to 22.  That's a 20% increase.  It's a self created staffing crisis also.

Right above you, I linked to an article explaining why more ICU beds can't be added easily and why there are staffing shortages. Before that I posted why icus  try to operate below capacity and you can google  "icu below capacity" for dozens of more reputable links explaining the same thing. It's not self-created. It's like saying there's not a housing bubble because you know a guy in Ohio who has really low rent.

[Matt]

I've posted links showing there are clearly enough beds available in ICUs, just some shitty areas overwhelmed.  Matt says the ICU capacity where he lives was increased from 22 to 27 beds, but is now back down to 22.  That's a 20% increase.  It's a self created staffing crisis also.

Yeah, pretty much.

There have 22 ICU beds at the Thunder Bay Regional Health Science Services Centre.

At the PEAK of this pandemic, there was a need for 26-27 beds.

So 4-5 beds were in the hallways. 

Because heaven forbid that after Canada has spent $900 BILLION on this pandemic so far, that we would add ONE ****ING BED OR ANYTHING.

...

You can't make this up.

[Al Doggity]

Yeah, pretty much.

There have 22 ICU beds at the Thunder Bay Regional Health Science Services Centre.

At the PEAK of this pandemic, there was a need for 26-27 beds.

So 4-5 beds were in the hallways. 

Because heaven forbid that after Canada has spent $900 BILLION on this pandemic so far, that we would add ONE ****ING BED OR ANYTHING.

...

You can't make this up.

Once again- how would you create more icu beds?

[Matt]

This is Clown World.

Speaking of Clown World - I only had to go through 53 pages of your past posts over exactly the past 30 minutes to find it, but I dug up this gem:

So, yesterday I’m at Sunrise Records, and I’m paying using my iPhone. It requires face recognition, so I pull down my paper mask (aren’t allowed entry without). The cashier girl immediately takes a few steps back.

I’m thinking, Is this real life?

She’s roughly 20 years old and very obviously a lesbian. Nice girl. But is this the average person in these times? Entirely committed to the pLandemic joke?

The store is in a mall, and spouting every few minutes from its announcement system is crap about wearing masks, etc., and ending with, “We’re all in this together!”

Nope. We’re definitely not.

And as far as gym masking, the past few months I’ve been lifting completely bald-faced. Signs ask members to wear a mask upon entering, but not a chance.

Heck, in my condo there are postings stating a temporary by-law mandates one to don a mask in all common areas of the building.

Just not gonna happen.

 

And I've been up all night again - good night, folks [good day]! Back day awaits me when I wake up.

[Mayday]

Do the math please:

We are currently on Day 710 of the pandemic in Canada, based on the start of the first case on 2020-01-25 [see data below].
REF: https://globalnews.ca/news/6627505/coronavirus-covid-canada-timeline/

Now...as I said, do the math:

That works out to one ICU admission per Canadian hospital every 48 days.

710÷(18,701÷1,265)

^ This is simply BEDMAS here.

OAK - are you suggesting that our hospitals can't handle ONE additional ICU ADMISSION PER HOSPITAL EVERY SEVEN WEEKS? HOW ON EARTH WOULD THAT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS?? HOW WOULD ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THAT???

Just be wary of the mathematician who drowned crossing a river with an average depth of 1M……

This is seasonal and We have massive parabolic peaks. 90% of what happens, does so in 10% of the time cycle which causes a crunch.

That isn’t to detract from your broader point as we do see hospitals sitting largely idle for 9 months of the year and then those last remaining 3 months are under pressure which raises the obvious question:

It’s the 3rd season of covid (original, delta, omi). The global economy has pumped in trillions of dollars yet seemingly we have done zero regarding addressing hospital capacity. This suggests the broader govt is not concerned about the impact of covid but more concerned with the financial market.

As Flex has posted, we have been played. There is more than enough data now to see this.

Nobody batted an eyelid over how Quantitative Easing (currency debasement) requires zero govt approval yet your stimmy money gets held up for months……..

[Fortress]

Fortress, do you remember when any of this happened?

I only remember the Lying Media Machine pushing images such as this one.

In reality, this never happened, anywhere, during the Scamdemic.

[Fortress]

Hey Fortress - this got scrubbed from YouTube, and took me a while to dig up. I hope you like it:

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/video?clipId=2134450

What a twerp wussbag.

“Ooh! S-c-a-r-y! VARIANT Ooh!”

Clown. World.

[Al Doggity]

It’s the 3rd season of covid (original, delta, omi). The global economy has pumped in trillions of dollars yet seemingly we have done zero regarding addressing hospital capacity.

And, once again, I have to ask, since bed usage and hospital capacity seem to be one of the major factors in determining that the pandemic is a hoax, HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY?

This is not a trick question. There have been dozens  of articles written that addressed the multitude of reasons why ICUs can't be added easily, but people in this thread keep implying that it's proof of a conspiracy that it hasn't happened.   

[Never1AShow]

And, once again, I have to ask, since bed usage and hospital capacity seem to be one of the major factors in determining that the pandemic is a hoax, HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY?

This is not a trick question. There have been dozens  of articles written that addressed the multitude of reasons why ICUs can't be added easily, but people in this thread keep implying that it's proof of a conspiracy that it hasn't happened.

Why would you need to increase capacity?  There's plenty of room.

[Mayday]

And, once again, I have to ask, since bed usage and hospital capacity seem to be one of the major factors in determining that the pandemic is a hoax, HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY?

This is not a trick question. There have been dozens  of articles written that addressed the multitude of reasons why ICUs can't be added easily, but people in this thread keep implying that it's proof of a conspiracy that it hasn't happened.

I never said it was a hoax. I’m just following the data available which tells me hospital capacity is not a priority therefore the govt must not be all that concerned. I’ll outline very simply below why.

In Oz hospital spend annual increase:
2020 over 2019 = 1.8% increase (post pandemic)
2019 over 2018 = 3.1% increase (pre pandemic)
5yr yoy trend = 2.7%
10yr yoy trend = 3.4%

The 1.8% increase in 2020 over 2019 is approx $3B.

Our QE program was $100B in 2020 which is currency debasement over and above our usual budget spend.

It’s right there in black and white. My govt gave 100B to banks and 3B to hospitals so why would anybody then conclude the govt is concerned about health? Particularly when that 3B increase is less than the 5yr and 10yr yoy change trend prior to the pandemic.

The points are:
There is no increased capacity because there is no increased budget
There is no increased budget because there is no need to increase capacity (this is my point)
Govt printed 100B and gave 3% to hospitals and 97% to banks (in a sense to make my point)

Does that help Clarify my position?

[Al Doggity]

Why would you need to increase capacity?  There's plenty of room.

There's not. You seemed offended when I  told you surges and valleys and location played a factor in how icu beds fill up, but your only point seems to be that if every bed in the country isn't filled with covid patients then there's no issue. Even Mayday, who is ostensibly disagreeing with me, pointed out how foolish it is not to factor that in. I've posted multiple links and explanations of why that is something that logistically is unlikely to happen.  You posted a link yourself showing the current covid numbers in ICU beds- it's over 25% which means it's the number 1 reason people are in ICU beds by a significant margin. You keep ignoring the fact that hospitals still have to treat other patients with other problems.  500 patients out of less than 1800 beds is not miniscule, it is a legit health crisis.

[Al Doggity]

I never said it was a hoax. I’m just following the data available which tells me hospital capacity is not a priority therefore the govt must not be all that concerned. I’ll outline very simply below why.

In Oz hospital spend annual increase:
2020 over 2019 = 1.8% increase (post pandemic)
2019 over 2018 = 3.1% increase (pre pandemic)
5yr yoy trend = 2.7%
10yr yoy trend = 3.4%

The 1.8% increase in 2020 over 2019 is approx $3B.

Our QE program was $100B in 2020 which is currency debasement over and above our usual budget spend.

It’s right there in black and white. My govt gave 100B to banks and 3B to hospitals so why would anybody then conclude the govt is concerned about health? Particularly when that 3B increase is less than the 5yr and 10yr yoy change trend prior to the pandemic.

The points are:
There is no increased capacity because there is no increased budget
There is no increased budget because there is no need to increase capacity (this is my point)
Govt printed 100B and gave 3% to hospitals and 97% to banks (in a sense to make my point)

Does that help Clarify my position?

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-health-pandemic.html

This article was published last month, so presumably these are the most recent numbers available. It says that the most recent AIWH report only details  THE FIRST FEW MONTHS of the pandemic. Are you using numbers from somewhere else?

Spending on health goods and services grew by 1.8 percent to $202.5 billion during the 2019–20 financial year, which included the first months of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia, according to a new report by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW).

[Never1AShow]

There's not. You seemed offended when I  told you surges and valleys and location played a factor in how icu beds fill up, but your only point seems to be that if every bed in the country isn't filled with covid patients then there's no issue. Even Mayday, who is ostensibly disagreeing with me, pointed out how foolish it is not to factor that in. I've posted multiple links and explanations of why that is something that logistically is unlikely to happen.  You posted a link yourself showing the current covid numbers in ICU beds- it's over 25% which means it's the number 1 reason people are in ICU beds by a significant margin. You keep ignoring the fact that hospitals still have to treat other patients with other problems.  500 patients out of less than 1800 beds is not miniscule, it is a legit health crisis.

I keep pointing out that it is a very small number of Covid patients that need ICU capacity.  I posted this pic showing there's plenty of capacity.  Quit misstating what I'm saying, like "every" bed needs to be filled or there's "no issue".  Look at this picture, there's tons of capacity in the SoCal region still.  I think you're being duped by cherry picking, but I don't take offense, nor do I harbor any ill will to you.  You seem like a reasonable person and reasonably discuss things and I have always appreciated your posts.
   

[Mayday]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-health-pandemic.html

This article was published last month, so presumably these are the most recent numbers available. It says that the most recent AIWH report only details  THE FIRST FEW MONTHS of the pandemic. Are you using numbers from somewhere else?

I used different sources due to gaps. The govt has budgets.

Original covid is in 2020 spend and 2021 spend
Delta is in 2021 and 2022 spend
Omi is in 2022 spend
Govt decreased spending for FY22 for health as the pandemic got worse.

Using one source EOFY health spend
2022 spend  90.3 (-4%)
2021 spend  93.8 (+8%)
2020 spend  87    (+8% some pandemic)
2019 spend  80.2 (pre pandemic)

[Matt]

Not true, but where do you suggest they get the extra ICU beds from?
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/where-did-all-those-extra-icu-beds-go

Where do you suggest they get the space and staff for more ICU beds? Thin air? Alternate dimension? Just build some new hospitals and hope the media keeps buying into the fake pandemic to get around to using them?

Uhh...MAYBE FROM THE $900 BILLION WE SPENT DURING THIS PANDEMIC?? 

[Matt]

Once again- how would you create more icu beds?

Double doctor and nurse salaries during the pandemic, and make them tax-free for all hours spent working in isolated COVID wards.

Healthcare is managed by provinces. In Ontario, the salary for Registered Nurses maxes out at $47 an hour.

So offer $95 an hour for any nurse who wants to work in COVID wards.

And wouldn't you know it - suddenly you'd find the capacity, Al Doggity. 

Doctors: In 2020, there were 92,173 physicians in Canada, representing 242 physicians per 100,000 population. Dollars: Total gross clinical payments to physicians reached $29.4 billion in 2019–2020, a 4.3% increase over the previous year.

https://www.cihi.ca/en/physicians-in-canada

Nursing supply
In 2019, there were 439,975 regulated nurses with an active licence. The distribution of nurses by licence type is as follows:

300,669 registered nurses (RNs) — a growth of 1.1% from 2018.
6,159 nurse practitioners (NPs) — a growth of 8.1% from 2018, the largest increase of all the nursing designations. In fact, NPs have had the highest growth rate of all nurses every year over the past 5 years (2015-2019).
127,097 licensed practical nurses and registered practical nurses (LPNs and RPNs) — a growth of 3.6% from 2018 (4,497 more than the previous year, representing the greatest growth by number among all nursing designations)
6,050 registered psychiatric nurses— a growth of 0.4% from 2018.

https://www.cna-aiic.ca/en/nursing/regulated-nursing-in-canada/nursing-statistics

Since nurses receive hourly wages in Canada, as opposed to a salary, this inventive would work well.

Al Doggity:

Do you know how much debt Canada acquired from its inception in 1867 through to the start of this pandemic?

Less than we spent during this pandemic!

By my last OFFICIAL check [two months ago], Canada had spent $820 BILLION!!!

We could have doubled the pay for ALL healthcare workers and spent less money!

Do I think we could find enough people to man FIVE extra beds, Al Doggity?

Uhh...YES!!!

[Mayday]

By my last OFFICIAL check [two months ago], Canada had spent $820 BILLION!!!

We could have doubled the pay for ALL healthcare workers and spent less money!

Do I think we could find enough people to man FIVE extra beds, Al Doggity?

Uhh...YES!!!

Exactly.

The western world is going full retard with currency debasement to give to the banks and yet it’s pretty much business as usual funding to hospitals. Govts perfectly happy to have staff shortages at hospitals during a pandemic.

We either have the most diabolical management of a virus in all of history or it’s not what we are told it is.

[Al Doggity]

Double doctor and nurse salaries during the pandemic, and make them tax-free for all hours spent working in isolated COVID wards.

Healthcare is managed by provinces. In Ontario, the salary for Registered Nurses maxes out at $47 an hour.

So offer $95 an hour for any nurse who wants to work in COVID wards.

And wouldn't you know it - suddenly you'd find the capacity, Al Doggity. 

https://www.cihi.ca/en/physicians-in-canada

https://www.cna-aiic.ca/en/nursing/regulated-nursing-in-canada/nursing-statistics

Since nurses receive hourly wages in Canada, as opposed to a salary, this inventive would work well.

I'm surprised to see you admit that staffing shortages play a big part in those beds being unfilled and there actually is a situation that can be described as "during the pandemic". It seems like you were arguing that there were no patients to go into those beds throughout most of this thread. And I agree with you that higher salaries for nurses would go a long way in retaining staff. But there was already a medical staffing shortage in canada prior to the pandemic and nurses are needed everywhere. Many traveling nurses are already earning twice the rate you say would solve the problem:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-31/there-s-a-market-for-8k-a-week-nurses-in-u-s-as-delta-spreads

 So where are these nurses needed to expand ICUs supposed to come from?