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obsidian

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4950 on: June 04, 2023, 04:51:22 AM »
Tanks are obsolete nowadays.

Without air and infantry support they are deathtraps.

Tanks must work in tandem with infantry which protect the tanks from attack.

Even air is becoming obsolete unless opposing air defenses have been wiped out.

Missiles, air defense, drones, and artillery are where it's at.  Hi-tech.
Nonsense. Ukraine is winning!

obsidian

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4951 on: June 04, 2023, 04:53:00 AM »
They miscalculated.

Once the Russian juggernaut ramps up Ukraine will be ground to dust.

This assumes NATO does not put it's own troops on the ground or in the air to fight Russia (already has "advisors" in Ukraine).

Hopefully, WW3 doesn't start along the way.


Run what ya brung. If NATO puts troops on the ground Russia should drop a big Tsar Bomba (100 megaton version) on they asses to traumatize the West.

obsidian

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4952 on: June 04, 2023, 04:54:35 AM »
Tanks are obsolete nowadays.

Without air and infantry support they are deathtraps.

Tanks must work in tandem with infantry which protect the tanks from attack.

Even air is becoming obsolete unless opposing air defenses have been wiped out.

Missiles, air defense, drones, and artillery are where it's at.  Hi-tech.
Yes, tanks, air craft carriers are obsolete. All you need is hypersonic nukes.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4953 on: June 04, 2023, 04:56:00 AM »
Run what ya brung. If NATO puts troops on the ground Russia should drop a big Tsar Bomba (100 megaton version) on they asses to traumatize the West.

This!
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4954 on: June 04, 2023, 04:57:07 AM »
Run what ya brung. If NATO puts troops on the ground Russia should drop a big Tsar Bomba (100 megaton version) on they asses to traumatize the West.

Yep. This is a "Fuck around and find out" thing.

Even if the West/NATO wins, a billion people could die.

I wonder if that's the point.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4955 on: June 04, 2023, 05:15:17 AM »
Yep. This is a "Fuck around and find out" thing.

Even if the West/NATO wins, a billion people could die.

I wonder if that's the point.
Maybe.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4956 on: June 04, 2023, 05:42:19 AM »
Tanks are obsolete nowadays.

Without air and infantry support they are deathtraps.

Tanks must work in tandem with infantry which protect the tanks from attack.

Even air is becoming obsolete unless opposing air defenses have been wiped out.

Missiles, air defense, drones, and artillery are where it's at.  Hi-tech.

Which is how the Russians deploy them for some reason. Often in long lines with no other protection.

Most of the Russian tanks have been destroyed by anti-tank missiles and drones.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4957 on: June 04, 2023, 05:52:52 AM »
https://www.rt.com/russia/577445-ukraine-strike-airfield-drone/

Russia strikes Ukrainian airfields – Defense Ministry
Kiev’s aircraft, radar installations and ammo depots have been hit, the Russian military says


FILE PHOTO: Ukrainian Su-27 UB fighter jet at a military airbase in the twon of Starokostyantynov. ©  AFP / Genya Savilov

Russia conducted airstrikes overnight targeting Ukrainian military airfields, and delivering significant damage to aircraft and facilities, Moscow’s Defense Ministry has said.

The attack, which was carried with the use of “long-range precision-guided air-launched weapons,” achieved its goal, the ministry said in a statement on Sunday.

“Command posts, a radar installation, Ukrainian aviation equipment, and storage facilities with weapons and ammunition were hit,” the statement read.

In another strike, near the city of Dnepropetrovsk on the Dnepr River, a Ukrainian drone assembly workshop was destroyed, the ministry said.

Over the past 24 hours, Russian air defenses have shot down two UK-supplied Storm Shadow cruise missiles, 14 rockets fired from US-made HIMARS and Soviet-era Uragan multiple rocket launchers, as well as two Tochka-U tactical missiles, fired by the Ukrainian forces, according to the statement.

A total of 21 drones have also been intercepted in Russia’s Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, the country’s Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, and over the Black Sea, the ministry added.

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You won't see this on drudgereport. I look forward to day americans wake up and realise the full extent that their govt spend billions just on manufacturing consent. Why can't you drink clean water from tap? Because money must be spent on Twitter, IG, TIKTOK, and legacy media generating content to make them believe Ukraine is "winning." They made the same mistake in Vietnam that what's US people were shocked by brutal losses of Tet offensive.. hmm that was also touted as a "grand counter offensive." Study history people!

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4958 on: June 04, 2023, 10:03:45 AM »
MacGregor said Ukraine's air defenses have been greatly reduced so Russian warplanes can attack more freely.

Himars have been almost completely neutralized.

Teutonic Knight

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4959 on: June 04, 2023, 02:01:32 PM »

Kupyansk is encircled  ;D





Teutonic Knight

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4960 on: June 04, 2023, 02:11:12 PM »
If Russia was "too strong" they would have taken over Ukraine by now.


Ask 12,5 millions (UN number) Ukrainian refugees  ;), 75 000 in Ireland  ::)



Hey, those 75 000 Ukrainian refugees could 'libearate' Ireland from the 500 years of ENGLISH domination  :D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4961 on: June 05, 2023, 12:49:15 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4962 on: June 05, 2023, 01:12:32 AM »
Do fools like Griffith really think Ukraine is "winning"??   ::)

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4963 on: June 05, 2023, 03:10:51 AM »
Do fools like Griffith really think Ukraine is "winning"??   ::)

Oak thinks so too :D
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4964 on: June 05, 2023, 03:34:42 AM »
Do fools like Griffith really think Ukraine is "winning"??   ::)


BBC has an article this morning about Russia saying the Ukraine offensive has begun and that they’ve repelled the major attack. Claiming to have killed 250 soldiers and regrouped 16 tanks.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4965 on: June 05, 2023, 03:39:06 AM »
And this is from the biased BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65806152

Ukraine war: Russia says it thwarted major Ukrainian offensive




Can't trust either Ukraine or Russia news tho (Propaganda), you need to use info from a third party

Russia's claim has not been verified, and Ukraine's military said the country is spreading disinformation.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4966 on: June 05, 2023, 03:39:19 AM »
That no longer exists.
I know. Should have gone to check it out. I drove through Georgia numerous times.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4967 on: June 05, 2023, 04:02:50 AM »

BBC has an article this morning about Russia saying the Ukraine offensive has begun and that they’ve repelled the major attack. Claiming to have killed 250 soldiers and regrouped 16 tanks.

Just another dumb Ukers attack & nothing else !. Russian artillery smashed them  :D

Try Russian podcast (if you could) TV Specnaz ZOV & enjoy  :D ( there is a lot of Youtube restriction in some countries )

Youtube: www.youtube.com/tresnjica38388


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4968 on: June 06, 2023, 12:46:33 AM »
I know. Should have gone to check it out. I drove through Georgia numerous times.
I was actually planning a trip to see it before it got blown up.

Teutonic Knight

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4969 on: June 06, 2023, 02:13:21 AM »

The Dam @ Kherson is no more  ;D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4970 on: June 06, 2023, 02:35:59 AM »
The Dam @ Kherson is no more  ;D


I just watched the video. That’s fucked up.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4971 on: June 06, 2023, 05:53:45 AM »
Remember how they've said Putin was lying and that this wasn't happening? They've been active in covering it up.


  "  In November, during a meeting with Times reporters near the front line, a Ukrainian press officer wore a Totenkopf variation made by a company called R3ICH (pronounced “Reich”). He said he did not believe the patch was affiliated with the Nazis. A second press officer present said other journalists had asked soldiers to remove the patch before taking photographs. "

"...meanings unique to Ukraine."

"should be interpreted by how Ukrainians viewed them, not by how they had been used elsewhere."



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4972 on: June 06, 2023, 07:31:26 AM »
You realize the "Wagner Group" or whatever the fuck it's called that is currently fighting Ukraine is only 5% of Russia's active military personnel?

Over 20,000 Wagner Fighters Dead in Drawn-Out Battle for Bakhmut, Chief Says

KYIV, Ukraine — The head of the Russian private army Wagner says his force lost more than 20,000 men in the drawn-out battle for Bakhmut. He said about half of those who died in the eastern Ukrainian city were Russian convicts recruited to fight in the 15-month-old war.

Analysts believe the nine-month fight for Bakhmut alone has cost the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers, among them convicts who reportedly received little training before being sent to the front.

https://time.com/6282293/russia-bakhmut-wagner-casulaties/


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4973 on: June 06, 2023, 07:32:46 AM »
Wagner Group reports 10,000 prisoner deaths

"I took 50,000 prisoners of which around 20% were killed," Prigozhin said in a video interview published late on Tuesday.

He added that a similar proportion had been killed among the general population who had also chosen to enlist with the mercenary group.

"There are now tens of thousands of relatives of those who were killed. Probably there will be hundreds of thousands," he said in the interview. "We cannot hide from this."

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-wagner-group-reports-10000-prisoner-deaths/a-65714776

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4974 on: June 06, 2023, 08:38:09 AM »
10000 my ass.

They were using them as cannon fodder. In the front line with the experienced professional Wagnerites behind them. The Ukrainians open fire, kill/wound the prisoners and the pros fire on the now revealed Ukrainian positions.

If 10% of these 50000 survived I'd be surprised.