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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5175 on: June 18, 2023, 01:49:33 AM »
Former convict tells of torturing troops and says he does ‘not regret a single thing’

A former Wagner mercenary has admitted to killing and torturing dozens of Ukrainian prisoners of war, in one of the most detailed first-person accounts of atrocities committed by Russian forces in Ukraine.

Alexey Savichev, 49, a former Russian convict recruited by Wagner last September, told the Guardian in a telephone interview that he participated in summary executions of Ukrainian prisoners of war during his six months of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

“We were told not to take any prisoners, and just shoot them on the spot,” he said.

In one instance, while fighting near the eastern Ukrainian city of Soledar last autumn, Savichev said he participated in the killings of 20 Ukrainian soldiers who were surrounded. “We sprayed them with our bullets,” he said. “It is war and I do not regret a single thing I did there. If I could, I would go back.”

Savichev said that in another episode, with other Wagner fighters he had killed “several dozen” injured Ukrainian PoWs by “tossing grenades” into the ditch where they were held near the city Bakhmut in January. “We would torture soldiers too, there weren’t any rules,” he said.

Savichev’s account was first published on Monday by the Gulagu.net rights group in an hour an 17 minute-long video, where he appeared alongside another former Wagner fighter, identified as Azamat Uldarov, who also said he had killed civilians, including children, during the battle for Bakhmut.

Uldarov said his fellow mercenaries in one instance killed a group of people who had taken shelter in the basement of a nine-floor block of flats in Bakhmut, including a young girl. “She was screaming, she was a little kid, she was five or six and I shot her, a kill shot. I wasn’t allowed to let anyone out, you understand?” Uldarov told Vladimir Osechkin, the head of the Gulagu.net rights group. He could not be reached for comment.

The Guardian cannot independently verify either man’s harrowing claim but has seen Russian penal documents showing that Savichev, who was a convicted murderer, was released from a prison in Voronezh, a city in south-west Russia, on a presidential pardon on 12 September.

Wagner has recruited tens of thousands of inmates, including convicted murderers, to fight in eastern Ukraine. They were offered freedom if they survived a near-suicidal six-month stint, one Savichev completed on 12 March.

Savichev also provided the Guardian with photographs of two medals that he said he received for the battle of Soledar, a town in eastern Ukraine that Wagner troops captured in early January.

His testimony appears to contribute towards a mounting body of evidence that sheds light on the war crimes committed by Russian soliders in Ukraine.

Earlier this month, two videos emerged showing Russian soldiers apparently beheading Ukrainian prisoners of war. Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said the world could not ignore the “evil” footage, which has not been verified by the Guardian. “How easily these beasts kill. We are not going to forget anything. Neither are we going to forgive the murderers,” he said.

Responding to the interview published by Gulagu Net, Zelensky’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, said those responsible should be punished. “Confession is not enough. There must be a punishment. Tough and fair. And it will definitely be,” Yermak wrote on Twitter.

Since the start of the war, a number of Russian soldiers, including one former Wagner convict, have fled abroad and described witnessing Russian war crimes, but Savichev’s testimony is a rare account of a former Wagner soldier still in Russia.

Savichev said he has been on the run since giving his first interview on Monday and had received “multiple” threats.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Wagner, said the account of the two former Wagner soldiers was a “flagrant lie” and that Wagner fighters “have never touched and do not touch” children.

Savichev said he feared he would face the same consequence as Yevgeny Nuzhin, a convicted murderer recruited by Wagner who surrendered to Ukrainian forces but was later handed over to Russia and executed. “I was with Wagner, and know what they can do to those who speak out,” Savichev said. “I understand I could die soon. I just don’t want my death to be violent.”

He said he had witnessed multiple summary killings of other Wagner fighters accused by their commanders of disobeying orders or of breaking the “code of conduct”, including regarding the consumption of alcohol.

Savichev said he joined Wagner after Prigozhin visited his IK-12 colony in Voronezh last September. “Prigozhin came to our prison and said that he was looking for killers. He said the regular army was full of wussies who couldn’t get the job done.”

He said he was accepted into Wagner despite his HIV diagnosis – Russia’s regular army does not permit soldiers with serious diseases to join its ranks. “They don’t care if you have HIV or hepatitis, as long as you can kill,” he said.

According to Savichev’s account, just over 100 prisoners from IK-12 in Voronezh signed up to fight with Wagner. After a two-week training course, he was sent to the frontlines, fighting first in Soledar and, after the town’s capture, in Bakhmut.

He said he was placed in small units of four that were used as “storming troops”, who were ordered to launch extremely dangerous assaults on Ukraine’s positions. He estimated that of the 100 prisoners recruited from his prison, only 21 returned alive. According to western estimates, Wagner has suffered more than 30,000 casualties, mostly former convicts, since Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine last February.

“We were basically just meat for our commanders, I still don’t know how I survived,” Savichev said. “No one gave a shit about us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/18/wagner-mercenary-admits-tossing-grenades-at-injured-ukrainian-pows

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5176 on: June 18, 2023, 02:40:55 AM »
anyone who laughs at that is a total sicko ^^^

Also hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers have had their nuts castrated.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5177 on: June 18, 2023, 03:17:55 AM »
anyone who laughs at that is a total sicko ^^^

Also hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers have had their nuts castrated.

You're reading and believing one side (libturd)... Ukraine soldiers are doing the same shit...

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5178 on: June 18, 2023, 04:36:34 AM »
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A former Wagner mercenary has admitted to killing and torturing dozens of Ukrainian prisoners of war, in one of the most detailed first-person accounts of atrocities committed by Russian forces in Ukraine.

Alexey Savichev, 49, a former Russian convict recruited by Wagner last September, told the Guardian in a telephone interview that he participated in summary executions of Ukrainian prisoners of war during his six months of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

“We were told not to take any prisoners, and just shoot them on the spot,” he said.
not very good at following orders


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5180 on: June 18, 2023, 04:48:52 AM »
Russian inmates only had to march a few yards to be considered fit enough to fight in Ukraine for the Wagner Group, 2 captured fighters say

The physical selection process to qualify to fight in Ukraine for Wagner Group, a private Russian military company, was so lenient that inmates only had to show they could march several yards, two of its fighters say.

The two men were captured by Kyiv's forces, according to a CNN report by Tim Lister and Frederik Pleitgen published Sunday. CNN kept the fighters' identities anonymous for their safety.

Both Russian fighters told CNN they were serving prison sentences when the Wagner Group approached them in September and August, offering six-month contracts in exchange for pardons. Older prisoners only had to show they could march a few yards to be recruited, one of the fighters said.

"They took almost everyone," one of the men said, per CNN. "Some of them were head cases."

"The crazy ones, the ones who when they get a weapon in their hands they wouldn't know how to handle it," he added.

The Wagner Group has been regularly hiring convicts to fight in Russia's invasion, though its founder, Yevgeny Prigozhin, announced on Thursday that it would stop recruiting such men. Western officials say Moscow has so far deployed around 40,000 to 50,000 inmates in the war.

One of the two captured men said Prigozhin promised that he was given the authority to pardon recruited convicts, regardless of what crimes they'd committed or how much longer they'd have to serve.

"They lined everyone up in the yard and Prigozhin started recruiting people," he said, per CNN.

"The ideal candidates are murderers, robbers," the prisoner added, according to the outlet.

In exchange, the inmates would have to fight for six months in Ukraine, and were told they would be fighting Nazis, one of the men said, according to the outlet. "At the same time, he promised us wages, repayment of loans, and a clean history, he said.

One of the men told the outlet that when he took the job, he had 10 years of his sentence left for a manslaughter conviction.

The pair said Prigozhin told them they would be stationed on the second line of defense on Russia's front, per CNN. However, they were given only basic training on how to handle guns, and were then ordered to assault Ukrainian positions — resulting in most of their Wagner units being wiped out by mortar fire and landmines, they told the outlet.

Similar reports previously emerged of Russian reservists dying by the hundreds from Ukrainian shelling and of Wagner Group recruits being executed for refusing to participate in suicide charges.

"Those who disobey are eliminated — and it's done publicly," Yevgeny Novikov, a former inmate recruited by Wagner, told the Russian independent outlet Poligon Media.

One prisoner told another independent outlet, Meduza, in a report published Wednesday that inmates no longer want to sign up with the Wagner Group after hearing about the casualties suffered by convict units.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-wagner-group-convicts-show-march-few-yards-qualify-ukraine-2023-2

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5181 on: June 18, 2023, 05:10:06 AM »
Jim Brown drops grenades down gas drenched air ducts onto trapped Nazi soldiers and civilians.

Note: Brown has a slight limp as he runs.  He retired from the NFL just previous to this film being made.

In Germany, in the German-language dubbed version, audiences saw only Jim Brown throwing hand grenades into the airshafts at the chateau. The scenes showing grenades being dumped into, and gasoline being poured into, the airshafts were cut.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061578/



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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5183 on: June 18, 2023, 06:47:45 AM »
anyone who laughs at that is a total sicko ^^^

Also hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers have had their nuts castrated.

hands down BigdumbRO is the dumbest, most naive poster on getbig , he sums up all the cliche stereotypes of the irish

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5184 on: June 18, 2023, 06:53:04 AM »
not very good at following orders

jeff = human bullshit detector

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5185 on: June 18, 2023, 07:16:49 AM »
hands down BigdumbRO is the dumbest, most naive poster on getbig , he sums up all the cliche stereotypes of the irish

Believing all the Propaganda?
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5186 on: June 18, 2023, 09:08:13 AM »
Believing all the Propaganda?

BigdumbRoe   slurps down media lies almost as fast as he slurps down rich schmo jizz

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5187 on: June 18, 2023, 09:58:57 AM »
You're reading and believing one side (libturd)... Ukraine soldiers are doing the same shit...

I am open to reading/watching credible evidence that Russian soldiers who have surrendered are either being shot, tortured or have their testicles removed. If it were so then why do so many of them surrender? And Douglas whatever is not credible evidence. 

Taking the side of a country that has been invaded and its people exterminated is not a liberal position.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5188 on: June 18, 2023, 10:00:26 AM »
hands down BigdumbRO is the dumbest, most naive poster on getbig , he sums up all the cliche stereotypes of the irish

you hide behind a screen and can't even post a picture of yourself. You must be exceedingly weak and ugly.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5189 on: June 18, 2023, 10:00:51 AM »
I am open to reading/watching credible evidence that Russian soldiers who have surrendered are either being shot, tortured or have their testicles removed. If it were so then why do so many of them surrender? And Douglas whatever is not credible evidence. 

Taking the side of a country that has been invaded and its people exterminated is not a liberal position.
Atrocities occur on all sides

Its a war

The Normandy landings had a shoot all surrenders order
Prisoners slow you down and you have to feed them

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5190 on: June 18, 2023, 10:02:06 AM »
I am open to reading/watching credible evidence that Russian soldiers who have surrendered are either being shot, tortured or have their testicles removed. If it were so then why do so many of them surrender? And Douglas whatever is not credible evidence. 

Taking the side of a country that has been invaded and its people exterminated is not a liberal position.

you low IQ potato heads deserve every thing London has ever done to you, you are the Negggars of the white race

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5191 on: June 18, 2023, 10:09:22 AM »
By and large Ukrainian soldiers adhere to the rules of war, it is not so with the other side. All is not equal here. Any Ukrainian soldier who surrenders will most surely be tortured and starved.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5192 on: June 18, 2023, 10:13:32 AM »
you low IQ potato heads deserve every thing London has ever done to you, you are the Negggars of the white race

Unless your going to post a picture of yourself your just a pathetic coward in my eyes.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5193 on: June 18, 2023, 10:15:42 AM »
you low IQ potato heads deserve every thing London has ever done to you, you are the Negggars of the white race

You're getting a bit personal don't you think?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5194 on: June 18, 2023, 10:35:45 AM »
Unless your going to post a picture of yourself your just a pathetic coward in my eyes.

eyes of a g4p homo

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5195 on: June 18, 2023, 10:42:26 AM »
you must have jacked off all day homo.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5196 on: June 18, 2023, 11:22:58 AM »
People passionate about any side is bizarre in my mind, but thats just me.
We have our own issues here at home. Demturdia is trying to start a war at home, divide and conquer.

And US, stop sending billions to the Nazi kuntz in Ukraine...  ::) ::) Our own people are homeless, starving, dying... (Unless youre an illegal of course).
Im demturdia, Illegals > Service Vets... (Unless trannified).

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5197 on: June 18, 2023, 12:46:00 PM »
People passionate about any side is bizarre in my mind, but thats just me.
We have our own issues here at home. Demturdia is trying to start a war at home, divide and conquer.

And US, stop sending billions to the Nazi kuntz in Ukraine...  ::) ::) Our own people are homeless, starving, dying... (Unless youre an illegal of course).
Im demturdia, Illegals > Service Vets... (Unless trannified).


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5198 on: June 18, 2023, 01:18:32 PM »
People passionate about any side is bizarre in my mind, but thats just me.
We have our own issues here at home. Demturdia is trying to start a war at home, divide and conquer.

And US, stop sending billions to the Nazi kuntz in Ukraine...  ::) ::) Our own people are homeless, starving, dying... (Unless youre an illegal of course).
Im demturdia, Illegals > Service Vets... (Unless trannified).

This
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5199 on: June 18, 2023, 01:37:11 PM »
People passionate about any side is bizarre in my mind, but thats just me.
We have our own issues here at home. Demturdia is trying to start a war at home, divide and conquer.

And US, stop sending billions to the Nazi kuntz in Ukraine...  ::) ::) Our own people are homeless, starving, dying... (Unless youre an illegal of course).
Im demturdia, Illegals > Service Vets... (Unless trannified).

Yes.

Don’t send money to help Ukraine.

“Starving” Americans need it instead.

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