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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7025 on: September 26, 2025, 08:35:18 AM »
This may be Trump using reverse psychology. If he is for the war everyone else will try to end it to foil Trump.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7026 on: September 26, 2025, 10:46:47 AM »
Trump is going to sell Ukraine and the EU all the weapons they can buy to fight Russia.

But the U.S. will not do the fighting.

Call it Win/Win for Trump and the U.S.

Meanwhile Ukraine is destroyed and the EU goes bankrupt.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7027 on: September 26, 2025, 12:56:11 PM »
Trump is going to sell Ukraine and the EU all the weapons they can buy to fight Russia.

But the U.S. will not do the fighting.

Call it Win/Win for Trump and the U.S.

Meanwhile Ukraine is destroyed and the EU goes bankrupt.

Even some of the biggest warmongers in the US say that the US is at war with Russia. That "legally" Russia is within its rights to strike weapons suppliers. But no rules matter to the US, Russia appears to talk about international rules and rights a lot, especially Putin who is a lawyer. It's a very dangerous game the west is playing here, risking WWIII.

US is already doing some of the "fighting," operating some of the advanced weapons systems, supplying intelligence, US generals direct the war from Wiesbaden.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7028 on: September 27, 2025, 12:21:25 AM »
The warmongers of Europe and USA should be ecstatic over Trump's U-turn but they aren't. And the reason should be obvious, Trump changes his mind by the hour, sometimes even mid-sentence and you can't take anything he says seriously. Even if you like Trump's policies overall how can you support someone who is like this? ??? ::) ??? ::) Please, can any Trump supporter here explain this to me? :D

Even the Russophobe warmongers think Trump went way too far by suggesting Ukraine could take back all territories lost. Like wtf is this dude saying? ???

"Trump no longer wants the war to end now. He thinks it could go on until Ukraine retakes what it almost certainly cannot have."

"Zelensky is no longer being asked to make unpalatable concessions of land Ukraine has lost thousands in the defense of. Instead, he is now being goaded into the impossible retaking of land Ukraine could not get back in the summer of 2023, during a heavily prepped counter-offensive. Neither option is an easy deliverable that prolongs Zelensky’s position or leaves Ukraine strong."
- CNN

Edit on the next day. Apparently the prevailing view is that this was a piece of sarcasm (and I was too stupid to see it immediately, typical of me), and that Trump is looking to blame Europe for the loss and looking for an off-ramp for him. Obviously no one in Europe was celebrating Trump's U-turn; no they were horrified and dismayed. The Trump does not lose or fail, he only wins, and always passes any blame on others. As one commentator said, with which I concur, paraphrased, "Trump using manipulating language, appearing to cheer on the Ukrainians, while looking for the escape door, I find very off-putting when talking about war, where he's claimed he's horrified and very sad by all the casualties, I find very undignified and I could use much stronger language... I don't see this as strength or clarity of mind, and it's not clever as he thinks it is." I think he's a coward without the guts to come out and say what he really believes. :D

Trump's advisors told him 'Russia is losing the war':

Speaking at the Yalta European Security Conference in Kyiv, Kellogg revealed he and the chairman, Air Force Gen. Dan Caine, each reassured the president of Moscow’s wilting position roughly six weeks ago — shortly before Trump’s meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska.

“If Putin thinks Russia is winning, his definition of winning and my definition of winning are absolutely two different things,” Kellogg said. “If he was winning, he’d be in Kyiv. If he’s winning, he’d be west of the Dnipro River. If he was winning, he’d be on Odessa. If he was winning, he would have changed the government.

“Russia is, in fact, losing this war,” he added.

The two military experts gave their assessment in response to Trump’s then-prodding as to whether Putin’s grandstanding of supposed success in Ukraine was true, Kellogg said, giving a rare glimpse into private discussions at the White House.

“I responded quite forcefully, and I finally said, ‘Mr. President, don’t just listen to me. Your chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Dan Caine, is outside. He’s out in the hall, bring him in and ask him that question. He’s your senior, he’s your principal military adviser,'” Kellogg said.

“And he did, and Dan said the same thing. He went, ‘Nope, not winning.'

The envoy said he also told leaders during a recent discussion in the Oval Office not to believe Putin’s claims of having a formidable fighting force, reassuring senior administration officials they should not be afraid of Russian retaliation against the US — something that held former President Joe Biden back from taking stronger action against Moscow.

“They may make movements. It seems so they’re advancing in the Donbas region, in the Donetsk, but if you consider advancing moving by meters, not miles, well then OK, that’s successful, but the cost that they’re having is enormous, and I don’t think people truly appreciate it,” he said.

Manpower-wise, the cost to Russia has been “well over a million” when considering the total troops dead and wounded, he said, noting that the Soviet Union left Afghanistan after losing 18,000.

“These numbers are World War II-level numbers, when you think about it. They’re stunning in the loss,” he said. “… They’re pulling tanks out of mothballs, out of museums, to put on the battle line. They can’t operate in large movements because the Ukrainians will kill them. And Ukrainians are fighting valiantly on there.”

“They were talking about the primacy of the Russian military and how they were, you know, pretty good,” Kellogg said. “And I said to the people in the room, ‘We’d kick their ass.’

“And what I mean by that is: Don’t take their statements at face value. They’re, I mean, they’re not as good as Putin says they are.”

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/world-news/russia-losing-war-on-ukraine-joint-staff-chairman-envoy-tell-trump/

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7029 on: September 27, 2025, 12:58:44 AM »
Trump's advisors told him 'Russia is losing the war':

Speaking at the Yalta European Security Conference in Kyiv, Kellogg revealed he and the chairman, Air Force Gen. Dan Caine, each reassured the president of Moscow’s wilting position roughly six weeks ago — shortly before Trump’s meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska.

“If Putin thinks Russia is winning, his definition of winning and my definition of winning are absolutely two different things,” Kellogg said. “If he was winning, he’d be in Kyiv. If he’s winning, he’d be west of the Dnipro River. If he was winning, he’d be on Odessa. If he was winning, he would have changed the government.

“Russia is, in fact, losing this war,” he added.

The two military experts gave their assessment in response to Trump’s then-prodding as to whether Putin’s grandstanding of supposed success in Ukraine was true, Kellogg said, giving a rare glimpse into private discussions at the White House.

“I responded quite forcefully, and I finally said, ‘Mr. President, don’t just listen to me. Your chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Dan Caine, is outside. He’s out in the hall, bring him in and ask him that question. He’s your senior, he’s your principal military adviser,'” Kellogg said.

“And he did, and Dan said the same thing. He went, ‘Nope, not winning.'

The envoy said he also told leaders during a recent discussion in the Oval Office not to believe Putin’s claims of having a formidable fighting force, reassuring senior administration officials they should not be afraid of Russian retaliation against the US — something that held former President Joe Biden back from taking stronger action against Moscow.

“They may make movements. It seems so they’re advancing in the Donbas region, in the Donetsk, but if you consider advancing moving by meters, not miles, well then OK, that’s successful, but the cost that they’re having is enormous, and I don’t think people truly appreciate it,” he said.

Manpower-wise, the cost to Russia has been “well over a million” when considering the total troops dead and wounded, he said, noting that the Soviet Union left Afghanistan after losing 18,000.

“These numbers are World War II-level numbers, when you think about it. They’re stunning in the loss,” he said. “… They’re pulling tanks out of mothballs, out of museums, to put on the battle line. They can’t operate in large movements because the Ukrainians will kill them. And Ukrainians are fighting valiantly on there.”

“They were talking about the primacy of the Russian military and how they were, you know, pretty good,” Kellogg said. “And I said to the people in the room, ‘We’d kick their ass.’

“And what I mean by that is: Don’t take their statements at face value. They’re, I mean, they’re not as good as Putin says they are.”

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/world-news/russia-losing-war-on-ukraine-joint-staff-chairman-envoy-tell-trump/

Below was three years ago.  Incursions into NATO states are - hopefully - Putin's last gasps.

The USSR lost nearly 15,000 troops in Afghanistan over about 9 years.  If the current loss estimates are at all accurate, there are going to be some angry parents and wives of soldiers going into the 2024 election.  But who could win against Putin?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/09/russia-has-lost-up-80000-troops-ukraine-or-75000-or-is-it-60000/

Russia has lost up to 80,000 troops in Ukraine. Or 75,000. Or is it 60,000?

On July 20, the CIA said Russia had suffered 60,000 casualties in Ukraine since widening its war there Feb. 24. On July 27, the Biden administration told lawmakers Moscow’s losses ran to 75,000 killed and wounded. On Monday, the Pentagon’s number crept higher, to up to 80,000.

Even 60,000 would be catastrophic. Over two decades of war in Afghanistan, the United States endured 2,448 dead and more than 20,000 wounded. At, 80,000, it would be more than half the 150,000 troops Russia was estimated to have massed on Ukraine’s border by Feb. 23.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7030 on: September 27, 2025, 02:18:20 AM »
Below was three years ago.  Incursions into NATO states are - hopefully - Putin's last gasps.

Things don't work like that in Russia, these people have a slave fatalistic mentality and will put up with unimaginable oppression.

According to the HuffPost Russian casualties to date are over one million. This includes ~ 250 thousand deaths/MIA. Not a primary source so not reliable.

In World War I Russia suffered 775,369 to 1,700,000 combat deaths/MIA alone. They had a revolution after that, in part due to these casualties but also due to the harrowing economic conditions, which were considerably worse at the time than they are now. Especially in the cities, where revolutions usually begin.

This is what it really takes for a Russian regime to be toppled.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7031 on: September 27, 2025, 03:45:35 AM »
The warmongers of Europe and USA should be ecstatic over Trump's U-turn but they aren't. And the reason should be obvious, Trump changes his mind by the hour, sometimes even mid-sentence and you can't take anything he says seriously. Even if you like Trump's policies overall how can you support someone who is like this? ??? ::) ??? ::) Please, can any Trump supporter here explain this to me? :D

Even the Russophobe warmongers think Trump went way too far by suggesting Ukraine could take back all territories lost. Like wtf is this dude saying? ???

"Trump no longer wants the war to end now. He thinks it could go on until Ukraine retakes what it almost certainly cannot have."

"Zelensky is no longer being asked to make unpalatable concessions of land Ukraine has lost thousands in the defense of. Instead, he is now being goaded into the impossible retaking of land Ukraine could not get back in the summer of 2023, during a heavily prepped counter-offensive. Neither option is an easy deliverable that prolongs Zelensky’s position or leaves Ukraine strong."
- CNN

Edit on the next day. Apparently the prevailing view is that this was a piece of sarcasm (and I was too stupid to see it immediately, typical of me), and that Trump is looking to blame Europe for the loss and looking for an off-ramp for him. Obviously no one in Europe was celebrating Trump's U-turn; no they were horrified and dismayed. The Trump does not lose or fail, he only wins, and always passes any blame on others. As one commentator said, with which I concur, paraphrased, "Trump using manipulating language, appearing to cheer on the Ukrainians, while looking for the escape door, I find very off-putting when talking about war, where he's claimed he's horrified and very sad by all the casualties, I find very undignified and I could use much stronger language... I don't see this as strength or clarity of mind, and it's not clever as he thinks it is." I think he's a coward without the guts to come out and say what he really believes. :D

They can't, they pretend it's not happening.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7032 on: September 27, 2025, 04:30:26 AM »
Trump is being lied to. Russia is winning, looking at any map will tell you that. I am not sure why his advisors are telling him this.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7033 on: September 27, 2025, 01:03:25 PM »
Trump is being lied to. Russia is winning, looking at any map will tell you that. I am not sure why his advisors are telling him this.
And this is why Trump is a disappointment. When he fell for this crap in 2017 the excuse was he's new to politics. And his voters thought this time around he would surround himself with the right people. But Trump just turned out like Biden 2.0. Maybe worse because he flip flops on issues weekly. At least with Biden there was consistency.

Trump is Israel's bitch. He likes getting fucked in the ass by Netanyahoo on a daily basis.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7034 on: September 27, 2025, 01:27:06 PM »
Trump's advisors told him 'Russia is losing the war':

They say Trump's opinions are what the opinions of the last person he talked to are. I still think Trump is sarcastic and passing on the future blame on others. See pic of what Poland is saying.

Things don't work like that in Russia, these people have a slave fatalistic mentality and will put up with unimaginable oppression.

According to the HuffPost Russian casualties to date are over one million. This includes ~ 250 thousand deaths/MIA. Not a primary source so not reliable.

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According to Seymour Hersh Washington is privately saying Russia has 2 million casualties. And Ukraine has some 100K or less. As you say you can't trust these figures, the way they calculate Russian losses is pretty ridiculous, plus they say they haven't done the same analysis for Ukraine. That data hack claimed 1.7 million Ukrainian losses by Ukraine's own sources. One fella said 600K actual KIAs could be close to realistic numbers. That 1.7 mil included desertions too IIRC, maybe it was like 200-400K, some of which come back actually.

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« Reply #7035 on: September 27, 2025, 01:27:46 PM »
According to the HuffPost Russian casualties to date are over one million. This includes ~ 250 thousand deaths/MIA. Not a primary source so not reliable.
You can stop right there. HuffPost is not a reliable source — their casualty numbers are often inflated or poorly sourced. It’s highly unlikely that Russian losses are as high as they claim, while Ukraine’s losses are believed to be far higher, possibly in the range of 1.5 million.

The Russians and Ukrainians are used to big casualties. Stalin and his Jewish henchmen starved to death over 10 million Ukrainians during the 1932-33 Holodomor.

The Russians lost around 25 million in WW2 against Germany. The Russians call that the "Great Patriotic War". By comparison, British, American, and French casualties were each roughly 500,000. Civilian deaths from the Allied bombing of Dresden alone were in that range.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7036 on: September 27, 2025, 01:31:41 PM »
They say Trump's opinions are what the opinions of the last person he talked to are. I still think Trump is sarcastic and passing on the future blame on others. See pic of what Poland is saying.

According to Seymour Hersh Washington is privately saying Russia has 2 million casualties. And Ukraine has some 100K or less. As you say you can't trust these figures, the way they calculate Russian losses is pretty ridiculous, plus they say they haven't done the same analysis for Ukraine. That data hack claimed 1.7 million Ukrainian losses by Ukraine's own sources. One fella said 600K actual KIAs could be close to realistic numbers. That 1.7 mil included desertions too IIRC, maybe it was like 200-400K, some of which come back actually.
Haha. At least make the numbers remotely believable. If Russia’s losses were really 20 times higher than Ukraine’s, why are they the ones steadily advancing? At that casualty ratio, Ukrainian forces should be in Moscow by now and Putin would’ve been overthrown long ago.

It’s also worth noting that many of these figures come directly from Ukrainian sources passed to U.S. officials — hardly an unbiased pipeline. Of course those numbers will skew in Ukraine’s favor. In reality, Ukrainian casualties are believed to be in the region of 1.5 million, while Russia’s losses are significantly lower.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7037 on: September 27, 2025, 01:32:46 PM »
They say Trump's opinions are what the opinions of the last person he talked to are. I still think Trump is sarcastic and passing on the future blame on others. See pic of what Poland is saying.

According to Seymour Hersh Washington is privately saying Russia has 2 million casualties. And Ukraine has some 100K or less. As you say you can't trust these figures, the way they calculate Russian losses is pretty ridiculous, plus they say they haven't done the same analysis for Ukraine. That data hack claimed 1.7 million Ukrainian losses by Ukraine's own sources. One fella said 600K actual KIAs could be close to realistic numbers. That 1.7 mil included desertions too IIRC, maybe it was like 200-400K, some of which come back actually.

Trump is apparently also giving the go-ahead for Ukraine to use long-distance weapons to hit targets within Russia.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7038 on: September 27, 2025, 03:38:55 PM »
Trump is apparently also giving the go-ahead for Ukraine to use long-distance weapons to hit targets within Russia.

Yes but no one takes Trump at his word anymore. He also said he would come to Poland's aid if there was shooting between them and Russians. Very doubtful.

Very late edit to include this link on European 'Democracy' and its relation to Russia. I know everything one reads is biased and potentially misinformation, disinformation, so I keep that in mind, but I found this interesting nonetheless. Hungary is in the crosshairs among other things. I'm sure the "Hungarian" Soros is involved too.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/where-democracy-goes-to-die-rule

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7039 on: October 01, 2025, 04:24:44 AM »
Europe apparently wants war with Russia at all costs, at least that's what they're signaling. Coordinated campaigns all over with new lingo, new catch-phrases. Another article I like by Simplicius. He quotes Medvedev who doesn't think Europe really wants or will have its war.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/eu-fast-tracks-transformation-into

Simp quotes Dmitry Medvedev. Baloney or some truth in here?

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"There’s a constant drumbeat in Europe about war with Russia within the next five years.

That’s not going to happen.

Why?

Because it is against our national interests.

1. Russia doesn’t need a war with anyone, least of all the frigid old crone, Europe. There’s nothing in it for us. Europe’s economy is weak and dependent on the US, and its culture is degenerating into oblivion. Europe is losing its identity, dissolving in a flood of belligerent migrants.

2. The key priority for the Russian people is developing our own country, including rebuilding the territories that have returned to the fold. That’s neither easy nor cheap.

3. Russia has always come to Europe as a liberator, never as an invader.

Why won’t Europe start a war itself?

Here’s why:

1. European countries are vulnerable and divided amongst themselves. They can only pursue their own interests, struggling to stay afloat in today’s economic turmoil. They cannot afford a war with Russia.

2. European leaders are pathetic degenerates, unable to shoulder responsibility for any serious undertaking. They lack the strategic thinking, let alone the energy (in Russia it’s called passionarity), to make successful military decisions.

3. Most Europeans are soft and apathetic; they are unwilling to fight for any common ideals or even their own land.

Why is war still possible?

The chance of a tragic accident always exists. And hyperactive trigger-happy lunatics also remain a factor. This kind of conflict has a genuine risk of spiraling into a war with weapons of mass destruction.

So we must not let our guard down."

One German news agency goes against the grain:



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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7040 on: October 10, 2025, 10:57:16 AM »
Calling BS on this...

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7041 on: October 10, 2025, 11:07:04 AM »
Calling BS on this...

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Us poor people (excluding gib, who appears to be a billionaire) are never allowed to know the truth. Its all media propaganda.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7042 on: October 10, 2025, 12:21:51 PM »
It will be interesting to see how much Trump will be selling Ukraine and Greenland for
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7043 on: October 10, 2025, 12:38:07 PM »
Calling BS on this...

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Yes, right up there with the “Ghost of Kiev” 🙄

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7044 on: October 10, 2025, 01:05:48 PM »
fuck russia and there shit military 

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7045 on: October 10, 2025, 03:28:09 PM »
Yes but no one takes Trump at his word anymore. He also said he would come to Poland's aid if there was shooting between them and Russians. Very doubtful.

Very late edit to include this link on European 'Democracy' and its relation to Russia. I know everything one reads is biased and potentially misinformation, disinformation, so I keep that in mind, but I found this interesting nonetheless. Hungary is in the crosshairs among other things. I'm sure the "Hungarian" Soros is involved too.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/where-democracy-goes-to-die-rule
“…so close to the start of the Third World War”? Let’s be honest — we’ve never been this close to WW3.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #7046 on: October 10, 2025, 05:40:38 PM »
Is Russia still doggystyling Ukraine ???
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!