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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4300 on: April 03, 2023, 01:36:02 PM »
"To do this, they need a large audience. Their goal is not so much to keep folks informed as it is to keep THEM UNIFORMED & UNQUESTIONING and buying from their commercial sponsors"


You got it slightly wrong - I've corrected it for you.

Buying from their commercial sponsors... yes.

Keeping folks uninformed and unquestioning... no.

When people can't believe they are provided some fairly accurate information from a media source, they eventually abandon it. For this reason,  any media must correctly and convincingly inform folks, at least occasionally.

It is human nature to question almost everything.

'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'  (This saying is attributed to several different sources dating back the 1684. One of them being Abraham Lincoln).



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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4301 on: April 03, 2023, 01:42:15 PM »
Buying from their commercial sponsors... yes.

Keeping folks uninformed and unquestioning... no.

When people can't believe they are provided some fairly accurate information from a media source, they eventually abandon it. For this reason,  any media must correctly and convincingly inform folks, at least occasionally.

It is human nature to question almost everything.

'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'  (This saying is attributed to several different sources dating back the 1684. One of them being Abraham Lincoln).


Well They did very well Fooling millions & millions are still falling for the lies & Propaganda
They spewed out 24/7 about the China virus debacle & farcical things they had millions of Sheep 🐑 like
Doing & Believing.

Yeah I used to use that quote - China virus Agenda changed all that.
They moved the psychological warfare a huge step forwards- mass Psychosis worked .

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4302 on: April 03, 2023, 02:27:22 PM »
Buying from their commercial sponsors... yes.

Keeping folks uninformed and unquestioning... no.

When people can't believe they are provided some fairly accurate information from a media source, they eventually abandon it. For this reason,  any media must correctly and convincingly inform folks, at least occasionally.

It is human nature to question almost everything.

'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'  (This saying is attributed to several different sources dating back the 1684. One of them being Abraham Lincoln).

Appreciate the point you are looking to make, but unfortunely I dont believe this is a universal sweeping truth. Certainly i would suggest in a majority of cases it can easily be overridden by a more basic component of human nature: that of wanting to find something to believe in and be part of, which in turn can lead to willfully ignoring inconsistencies/contradictions/lies etc for an often indefinite period in order to keep cognitive and emotional alignment with the bigger driver of believing and belonging



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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4303 on: April 03, 2023, 02:36:03 PM »
Buying from their commercial sponsors... yes.

Keeping folks uninformed and unquestioning... no.

When people can't believe they are provided some fairly accurate information from a media source, they eventually abandon it. For this reason,  any media must correctly and convincingly inform folks, at least occasionally.

It is human nature to question almost everything.

'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'  (This saying is attributed to several different sources dating back the 1684. One of them being Abraham Lincoln).

If the last three years hasnt taught you that the vast majority of people believe what they are spoon fed then you simply havent been paying attention.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4304 on: April 04, 2023, 12:28:43 AM »




Russian missiles a smashing DAILY targets all over Ukraine , get yourself top precision map of those strikes .... ;D

Hey why not volunteering , somebody needs to collect 1000's of dead Ukers in Artemovsk  :D




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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4305 on: April 04, 2023, 01:56:47 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4306 on: April 04, 2023, 03:56:11 AM »
Disgusting individual....

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ::)

The perfect man for today.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4308 on: April 04, 2023, 06:25:18 AM »
Abrams Tanks to be Delivered to Ukraine

The United States will provide Ukraine with 31 M1 Abrams tanks. That is the required number to equip an entire Ukraine tank battalion.

Along with the tanks, the U.S. will be giving Ukraine the parts and equipment necessary to effectively repair and maintain these tanks on the battlefield. Eight M88 recovery vehicles will also be shipped to Ukraine, to accompany the 31 tanks.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3277910/biden-announces-abrams-tanks-to-be-delivered-to-ukraine/#:~:text=President%20Joe%20Biden%20announced%20today,an%20entire%20Ukraine%20tank%20battalion.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4309 on: April 04, 2023, 01:38:43 PM »
Buying from their commercial sponsors... yes.

Keeping folks uninformed and unquestioning... no.

When people can't believe they are provided some fairly accurate information from a media source, they eventually abandon it. For this reason,  any media must correctly and convincingly inform folks, at least occasionally.

It is human nature to question almost everything.

'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'  (This saying is attributed to several different sources dating back the 1684. One of them being Abraham Lincoln).


The absolute irony. Guess that is why the only people that watch CNN and MSNBC are you and the crazy old cat ladies that are still masked up in their car. LOL

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4310 on: April 04, 2023, 07:30:34 PM »
Abrams Tanks to be Delivered to Ukraine

The United States will provide Ukraine with 31 M1 Abrams tanks. That is the required number to equip an entire Ukraine tank battalion.

Along with the tanks, the U.S. will be giving Ukraine the parts and equipment necessary to effectively repair and maintain these tanks on the battlefield. Eight M88 recovery vehicles will also be shipped to Ukraine, to accompany the 31 tanks.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3277910/biden-announces-abrams-tanks-to-be-delivered-to-ukraine/#:~:text=President%20Joe%20Biden%20announced%20today,an%20entire%20Ukraine%20tank%20battalion.



31 tanks.

Their entire country is being leveled.

I'm sure this will change the tides.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4311 on: April 05, 2023, 01:22:59 AM »
Why doesn't Russia use all of their resources to take Kiev instead of wasting all these resources in Eastern Ukraine?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4312 on: April 05, 2023, 02:27:52 AM »
Why doesn't Russia use all of their resources to take Kiev instead of wasting all these resources in Eastern Ukraine?

Foot by foot strategy works great, brutal artillery bombardments for hours, folows by drones , only 1 in 10 foot soldiers could get wounded !.

Slow but very efective, every single house/building is drone scaned before infantry get in action !.

Storming attacks could exposes flanks !.

Artemovsk is the latest example of it , it's slow but systematic elimination of Ukers, Soledar before .................. ;)

Odessa is now under missiles attack, every Ukers military building is smashed  ;D


Oh, Ukraine is "winning"  ;D


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4313 on: April 05, 2023, 02:31:24 AM »
31 tanks.

Their entire country is being leveled.

I'm sure this will change the tides.

It's 2023 , not 1945 !.  ;)

Outdated technology, $ 500 drone easily destroy that junk !.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4314 on: April 05, 2023, 07:15:49 AM »
I wonder how many Abrams tanks the U.S. abandoned in Afghanistan when Sleepy pulled out?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4315 on: April 05, 2023, 09:25:22 AM »
Why doesn't Russia use all of their resources to take Kiev instead of wasting all these resources in Eastern Ukraine?


East Ukraine is all Russian citizens,  they can hold on to that

If the try to hold on to western city's like Kiev,  Russia will be over run by insurgents/guerrilla tactics

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4316 on: April 05, 2023, 09:38:50 AM »

East Ukraine is all Russian citizens,  they can hold on to that

If the try to hold on to western city's like Kiev,  Russia will be over run by insurgents/guerrilla tactics

There's already partisan/sabotage activity in Kherson.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4317 on: April 05, 2023, 09:53:33 AM »
Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Loitering munitions, drones used as unmanned bait, civilian vehicles and derelict equipment are not included in this list.

Russia

9980 (destroyed: 6451, damaged: 303, abandoned: 390, captured: 2836

Tanks 1923 (destroyed: 1166, damaged: 100, abandoned: 104, captured: 553)

Ukraine

3150 (destroyed: 2021, damaged: 175, abandoned: 88, captured: 866

Tanks 482 (destroyed: 293, damaged: 28, abandoned: 19, captured: 142)


https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4318 on: April 05, 2023, 09:57:51 AM »
I wonder how many Abrams tanks the U.S. abandoned in Afghanistan when Sleepy pulled out?

7 billion worth...handed to the Taliban..DUH






https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-posted-photos-hundreds-us-142659289.html

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4319 on: April 05, 2023, 11:17:52 AM »
Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Loitering munitions, drones used as unmanned bait, civilian vehicles and derelict equipment are not included in this list.

Russia


9980 (destroyed: 6451, damaged: 303, abandoned: 390, captured: 2836

Tanks 1923 (destroyed: 1166, damaged: 100, abandoned: 104, captured: 553)

Ukraine

3150 (destroyed: 2021, damaged: 175, abandoned: 88, captured: 866

Tanks 482 (destroyed: 293, damaged: 28, abandoned: 19, captured: 142)


https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html


It is Amazing how one sided Ukraine is Winning & destroying everything Russian.
They're doing so well there's no need for other countries to keep sending them
more & more military equipment - soon they'll have more than the Taliban !!

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4320 on: April 05, 2023, 01:23:41 PM »


Ukraine has a much smaller military compared to Russia, and they do not have factories to replenish those losses.

That is why the USA and EU are providing them with military equipment and weapons.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4321 on: April 05, 2023, 01:28:18 PM »
Ukraine has a much smaller military compared to Russia, and they do not have factories to replenish those losses.

That is why the USA and EU are providing them with military equipment and weapons.

They don't need to be replenished as they're winning so well
They'll have the whole Russian army destroyed very soon & can then refurbish
all that equipment.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4322 on: April 05, 2023, 01:32:44 PM »
They don't need to be replenished as they're winning so well
They'll have the whole Russian army destroyed very soon & can then refurbish
all that equipment.

Even if they destroy Russian vehicles, they will still lose some on their side as well.

Russia has much more so can handle more losses over a longer period of time.

If Ukraine does not receive new equipment to replace those losses, over time they will eventually run out.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4323 on: April 05, 2023, 02:14:42 PM »
Even if they destroy Russian vehicles, they will still lose some on their side as well.

Russia has much more so can handle more losses over a longer period of time.

If Ukraine does not receive new equipment to replace those losses, over time they will eventually run out.

Oh really - looking at the info charts you post Ukraine is vastly out numbering how much success they're
Having destroying the Russian military- is not Zelensky & Ukraine close to winning & taking over Russia
As well.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #4324 on: April 05, 2023, 03:50:34 PM »
RFK Jr is challenging Biden in 2024.

How many politicians take on the Neocons(Trump did, to a degree) and their convoluted America-second(truth be told, America and the West last) strategies.... that serve one country in the middle east and flood "refugees" into Europe.

RFK Jr. Quote:

"The collapse of U.S. influence over Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom’s new alliances with China and Iran are painful emblems of the abject failure of the Neocon strategy of maintaining U.S. global hegemony with aggressive projections of military power. China has displaced the American Empire by deftly projecting, instead, economic power. Over the past decade, our country has spent trillions bombing roads, ports, bridges, and airports. China spent the equivalent building the same across the developing world. The Ukraine war is the final collapse of the Neocon's short-lived “American Century.” The Neocon projects in Iraq and Ukraine have cost $8.1 trillion, hollowed out our middle class, made a laughingstock of U.S. military power and moral authority, pushed China and Russia into an invincible alliance, destroyed the dollar as the global currency, cost millions of lives and done nothing to advance democracy or win friendships or influence."

I'm sure there's things to disagree with him about but his very strong anti-vaxx mandates/forced medical-experiments stance is also commendable.

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Switch China with another country in the image below. China is our greatest ally. An unbreakable, stalwart, unwavering, unconditional, eternal commitment and bond.... and all the other talking points that separate you and your $$$ ....