PCT protocol questions

[DanielPaul]

I can never find exact information on dosages and timeline for adding and removing the compounds for a successful pct plan. So hypothetically, if a man does a light cruise of 200 mg test cyp only for say 16 months and needs to regain natural functionality , how would someone implement hcg, clomid and tamoxifen to do so and how long would it take to get back yo normal?

[benchmstr]

You should have been running HCG the entire time you were on testosterone.

Your not finding a straightforward answer because everyone is different. You are likely never going to recover.

I did not recover after blasting for years in my late teens and 20’s…I’m on 200 cyp and hcg for life.

Good luck bro..you probably permanently wrecked yourself

Bench

[Gym-Rat]

some people can recover.
it may take a log time though (and maybe not) seen many bloods where folks have bounced back.
200 mg's isnt that crazy for many people to be shut down permanently. (age depending and genetics of course, etc).
1st thing is to start with post-use bloodwork to see where you are at.

I would tend to seek out "non bodybuilders" for pct advice, maybe excelmale (nelsen vergel), or dr. george toulitous, etc.
they normally advise smarter protocols, rather than "take it all bro" type of advices

[Van_Bilderass]

There is little evidence that PCT does anything for long term recovery. I seem to remember a fairly recent paper on it which you can probably find with a google.

[DanielPaul]

You should have been running HCG the entire time you were on testosterone.

Your not finding a straightforward answer because everyone is different. You are likely never going to recover.

I did not recover after blasting for years in my late teens and 20’s…I’m on 200 cyp and hcg for life.

Good luck bro..you probably permanently wrecked yourself

Bench

This may very well be true but of all the things I’ve read, and I’ve been researching the fuck out of it for a month now, most physicians say it’s given enough time you body will alway recover to the degree you should be given age and health circumstances. What I’ve read does shed light on your situation though, they all agree that if you begin using during your teens and continue into your mid twenties then it does stunt development to where it may be impossible to recover.  I didn’t start my cruise until I was 41 and while I stayed on for a lengthy period (16 months) I never even really had any testicular atrophy at all. Most agree that if done right a successful recovery can occur in about 12-16 weeks given an appropriate pct. With no pct it can be 9 months to well over a year. I’m just looking for examples and dosing info for a successful pct.

[Van_Bilderass]

Most agree that if done right a successful recovery can occur in about 12-16 weeks given an appropriate pct. With no pct it can be 9 months to well over a year. I’m just looking for examples and dosing info for a successful pct.

I don't think "they" agree. Problem is if you try to assess recovery while still being on the PCT drugs your labs don't mean anything. Check them a few months after stopping PCT. PCT might be a useful bridge to you next cycle, but then why not just run a physiological dose of test, that way you avoid the toxicity and other sides of the PCT drugs.

If I was going off permanently I would try some PCT drugs but I would probably make it a real long one, like 6 months or something, with massive HCG to start and then enclomiphene or whatever. GH and insulin to maintain some muscle.

[DanielPaul]

I don't think "they" agree. Problem is if you try to assess recovery while still being on the PCT drugs your labs don't mean anything. Check them a few months after stopping PCT. PCT might be a useful bridge to you next cycle, but then why not just run a physiological dose of test, that way you avoid the toxicity and other sides of the PCT drugs.

If I was going off permanently I would try some PCT drugs but I would probably make it a real long one, like 6 months or something, with massive HCG to start and then enclomiphene or whatever. GH and insulin to maintain some muscle.

I was actually thinking about the GH, like 2 or 3 IU’s per day.

[OlympiaGym]

Unless you’re looking to have kids, and why would you be, just get on TRT. So what if it’s for life. So is eating.

[Spike]

people still use clomid ??

that shit made me so emotional and I'd cry watching a Disney movie - never take that shit again


just blast HCG and some HMG - get on some TRT - if you did a 16 week cycle why come off

I'll take some nolv only if my nipples feel strange - maybe if Im holding water

[Gym-Rat]

Unless you’re looking to have kids, and why would you be, just get on TRT. So what if it’s for life. So is eating.

i like this quote. excellent ^^

[benchmstr]

This may very well be true but of all the things I’ve read, and I’ve been researching the fuck out of it for a month now, most physicians say it’s given enough time you body will alway recover to the degree you should be given age and health circumstances. What I’ve read does shed light on your situation though, they all agree that if you begin using during your teens and continue into your mid twenties then it does stunt development to where it may be impossible to recover.  I didn’t start my cruise until I was 41 and while I stayed on for a lengthy period (16 months) I never even really had any testicular atrophy at all. Most agree that if done right a successful recovery can occur in about 12-16 weeks given an appropriate pct. With no pct it can be 9 months to well over a year. I’m just looking for examples and dosing info for a successful pct.

Recover to what though? Remember, if your above 200 you are ok by American standards…the best I ever recovered to was 301..then it settled at 220..no way to live my friend.

So, yes..you may recover to acceptable range..but that doesn’t mean you will feel worth a shit, or it’s worth accepting

Bench

[ilalin]

I can never find exact information on dosages and timeline for adding and removing the compounds for a successful pct plan. So hypothetically, if a man does a light cruise of 200 mg test cyp only for say 16 months and needs to regain natural functionality , how would someone implement hcg, clomid and tamoxifen to do so and how long would it take to get back yo normal?

Recovery depends on a personal biochemical profile. 250IU of HCG 2x/week is excellent at making that recovery easily achiavable. On the other hand, even with this I can see some being negatively affected. I would personally stop HCG every 4  weeks and while cycling anabolics get on tamoxifen at 20mg/d. After two weeks of this resume HCG. I peronally ran test for months on end with no negative effects onHPG axis. The reason being HCG potentiates LH production while tamoxifen  effectively antagonizes the negative feedback efficacy of estradiol on LH secretion.

Look up hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis for more insight...

[BB]

There is little evidence that PCT does anything for long term recovery. I seem to remember a fairly recent paper on it which you can probably find with a google.

HAARLEM Study maybe -

https://peterbond.org/post/haarlem-study-suggests-post-cycle-therapy-pct-doesnt-work .

Smit, D. L., et al. "Disruption and recovery of testicular function during and after androgen abuse: the HAARLEM study." Human Reproduction (2021).

Smit, Diederik L., et al. "Baseline characteristics of the HAARLEM study: 100 male amateur athletes using anabolic androgenic steroids." Scandinavian journal of medicine & science in sports 30.3 (2020): 531-539

[ThisisOverload]

Depends on a lot of factors.

I used AAS for almost 8 years straight, blast and cruise.

Decided to come off because i wasn't interested in training anymore and work was getting out of control, travelling all the time.

If you are on a dose that small it's probably best to just stop taking it and see what happens.

It took me 8 months to get my Test levels back in the normal range. I had been on 400mg of Test for a long time and just took some Nolva when i came off.

The first 2-3 months were an emotional rollercoaster. Felt like shit and was depressed. No energy and sex drive was zero. Once i hit around 4 months i started to feel better and my Test levels were creeping back up.

If you do anything at all just shoot 250iu of HCG every 3 days for a few weeks. There are some people who claim it made a difference for them, but everyone is different.

That's about all you can do.

Have some Nolva on hand in case you get sore nips, of peace.

I ended up starting to cycle again after being off for about 3 years. Have a script for TRT at 100mg every 5-7 days. So i stay on that for most of the year and during the Spring i'll bump it up to 400mg Test and 300-400mg of Deca/Eq for 3-4 months. That's all you really need if you care about your health and aren't trying to compete.