Carnivore Diet

[loco]

This broad literally eats a bowl of beef-fat chunks with a fork?  That's disgusting, I'd vomit for sure.

She enjoys her beef steak and beef fat, but what she enjoys most is having her health and her life back and staying off medications.

[Hulkotron]

I suspect her health issues were more from being morbidly obese than from not eating enough beef and fat chunks, but I'm just speculating.

[Straw Man]

She enjoys her beef steak and beef fat, but what she enjoys most is having her health and her life back and staying off medications.

Preach Brother Loco

[AbrahamG]

She enjoys her beef steak and beef fat, but what she enjoys most is having her health and her life back and staying off medications.

Is she fucking again?

[IroNat]

[Flexacon]

I suspect her health issues were more from being morbidly obese than from not eating enough beef and fat chunks, but I'm just speculating.

No, it's the fat chunks. Have you not seen her social media and pictures? Have some faith brother

[pamith]

It's all about eating dat dere animal fat

[loco]

I suspect her health issues were more from being morbidly obese than from not eating enough beef and fat chunks, but I'm just speculating.

It's possible, but I'm not aware that obesity causes multiple sclerosis or bipolar disorder.  Plenty of skinny people suffer from these.

Then there's something about eating animal protein, saturated fat, and cholesterol that seems to improve symptoms of autoimmune disorders, mental illness, and other neurological disorders.

Based on current research, we propose that mitochondrial abnormalities are involved in the development and progression of multiple sclerosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790545/

Carnitines are involved in mitochondrial transport of fatty acids and are of critical importance for maintaining normal mitochondrial function.

The main dietary sources of carnitine are red meat, fish, and dairy products
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2905823/

Dietary cholesterol promotes repair of demyelinated lesions in the adult brain
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14241

Uric acid levels in MS patients are lower than in controls and in patients with active disease lower than in MS patients in remission. Inosine, a uric acid precursor, can be used to raise uric acid levels in serum and may provide some benefit in MS patients.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15493114/

Keto microbiota: A powerful contributor to host disease recovery
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6938789/

Emerging data suggest a possible therapeutic utilization of ketogenic diets in multiple neurological disorders apart from epilepsy, including head ache, neurotrauma, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease, sleep disorders, brain cancer, autism and multiple sclerosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826507/

[Hulkotron]

It's possible, but I'm not aware that obesity causes Multiple sclerosis or Bipolar disorder.  Plenty of skinny people suffer from these.

You could try looking into it rather than only looking for things that reinforce your bias:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+multiple+sclerosis&btnG=&oq=obesity+mult

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+bipolar+disorder&btnG=&oq=obesity+bip

[loco]

You could try looking into it rather than only looking for things that reinforce your bias:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+multiple+sclerosis&btnG=&oq=obesity+mult

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+bipolar+disorder&btnG=&oq=obesity+bip

Of course obesity worsens these and other health conditions, but it doesn't follow that it causes these conditions and it doesn't explain the many skinny people who suffer from these conditions too.

[Hulkotron]

Of course obesity worsens these and other health conditions, but it doesn't follow that it causes these conditions and it doesn't explain the many skinny people who suffer from these conditions too.

Many obese people also don't have heart disease or osteoarthritis, so by your logic obesity doesn't "cause" those things either, or anything.  It's all about the bowl of beef fat chunks!

There's also no way you read anything I posted up there so quickly, again you're just interested in reinforcing your bias.  There's plenty of compelling evidence that obesity plays a causal role in these things.

[loco]

Many obese people also don't have heart disease or osteoarthritis, so by your logic obesity doesn't "cause" those things either, or anything.  It's all about the bowl of beef fat chunks!

There's also no way you read anything I posted up there so quickly, again you're just interested in reinforcing your bias.  There's plenty of compelling evidence that obesity plays a causal role in these things.

That's not what I said.

[Straw Man]

[The Keto Kid]

I wonder how Dr. Baker out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym, all the while being natty with test levels in the 200s while Stan is "enhanced " 🤔

[Straw Man]

I wonder how Dr. Baker out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym, all the while being natty with test levels in the 200s while Stan is "enhanced " 🤔

You mean their trap bar for reps thing

I can think of a lot of reason why Baker did better - and the primary one is that Baker trains that lift for reps and Efferding likely doesn't.   There are many other potential reasons which I'm sure you know

What does that have to do with the video that I posted ?

[The Keto Kid]

You mean their trap bar for reps thing

I can think of a lot of reason why Baker did better - and the primary one is that Baker trains that lift for reps and Efferding likely doesn't.   There are many other potential reasons which I'm sure you know

What does that have to do with the video that I posted ?

Because test levels really don't necessarily =muscle or strength. However this is coming from a guy on trt lol.

[loco]

Saturated Fat: New Research (2020 - 2022)

SFA = Saturated Fatty Acids
CHD =  Coronary Heart Disease
CVD = Cardiovascular Disease
DGAC = Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committees

American College of Cardiology
2020 Aug
"The dietary recommendation to reduce intake of SFAs without considering specific fatty acids and food sources is not aligned with the current evidence base. As such, it may distract from other more effective food-based recommendations, and may also cause a reduction in the intake of nutrient-dense foods (e.g., dairy, unprocessed meat) that may help decrease not only the risk of CVD, type 2 diabetes, and other noncommunicable diseases, but also malnutrition, deficiency diseases, and frailty, particularly among “at-risk” groups. Furthermore, based on several decades of experience, a focus on total SFAs has had the unintended effect of misleadingly guiding governments, consumers, and industry toward foods low in SFAs but rich in refined starch and sugar. All guidelines should consider the types of fatty acids and, more importantly, the diverse foods containing SFAs, which may possess harmful, neutral, or even beneficial effects in relation to major health outcomes (Central Illustration). We strongly recommend a more food-based translation of how to achieve a healthy diet and reconsidering the guidelines on reduction in total SFAs."
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077?_ga=2.206016273.380849671.1652355392-50439297.1652355392

The British Medical Journal
11 Sep 2021
"In middle-aged Australian women, moderate carbohydrate intake (41.0%–44.3% of TEI) was associated with the lowest risk of CVD, without an effect on total mortality. Increasing saturated fat intake was not associated with CVD or mortality and instead correlated with lower rates of diabetes, hypertension and obesity."
https://heart.bmj.com/content/early/2022/04/25/heartjnl-2021-319654

U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Library of Medicine
2021 Oct
"Multiple reviews of the evidence have demonstrated that a recommendation to limit consumption of saturated fats to no more than 10% of total calories is not supported by rigorous scientific studies. Importantly, neither this guideline, nor that for replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats, considers the central issue of the health effects of differing food sources of these fats. The 2020 DGAC review that recommends continuing these recommendations has, in our view, not met the standard of “the preponderance of the evidence” for this decision."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541481/

American Heart Association
19 Nov 2021
"This observational study found no strong associations of total fatty acids, SFAs, monounsaturated fatty acids, and polyunsaturated fatty acids, with incident CHD. By contrast, we found associations of SFAs with CHD in opposite directions dependent on the food source."
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/JAHA.120.019814

The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
1, January 2022
"A low-carbohydrate diet, high in saturated fat, improved insulin-resistant dyslipoproteinemia and lipoprotein(a), without adverse effect on LDL cholesterol. Carbohydrate restriction might lower CVD risk independently of body weight, a possibility that warrants study in major multicentered trials powered on hard outcomes."
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/115/1/154/6369072

[pamith]

Carnivore diet is about longevity

[loco]

Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs.



In December 2015, Zach Bitter ran exactly 402.5 laps around the track at the Desert Solstice Invitational. At the end of the 100 miles, he had not only bested the previous American record by six-and-a-half minutes, but also maintained an astonishing seven-minute mile pace for almost the entirety of the 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 55 seconds.

What’s even more surprising, though, is that Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs. At times, carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet—and Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record-holders can do the same.

Did you start to feel better?
Absolutely. The inflammation went away really quickly, and within a month I was sleeping way better, like getting through the night. And I noticed that my energy levels were consistent throughout the day.

But you’re working out for 20 hours a week. You aren’t nervous about losing too much weight or “bonking”?
That’s another misconception with the high-fat diet. Some people say, “Well, I’m skinny. I can’t afford to do that.” That’s misleading, really. If you do the math, even the leanest athletes you see out there—who are, like, 4–5% body fat—have enough body fat to last them for a long endurance event. If you teach your body to metabolize fat when energy levels start to dip, then your body can turn to that fat as a fuel source.

What does a typical day of eating look like for you?
For breakfast, instead of having cereal or oatmeal, I’ll have eggs and bacon with maybe some spinach. Lunch is usually a Cobb salad, and my favorite dinner is a tri-tip steak or something like that.

https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs/

[Marty Champions]

Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs.



In December 2015, Zach Bitter ran exactly 402.5 laps around the track at the Desert Solstice Invitational. At the end of the 100 miles, he had not only bested the previous American record by six-and-a-half minutes, but also maintained an astonishing seven-minute mile pace for almost the entirety of the 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 55 seconds.

What’s even more surprising, though, is that Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs. At times, carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet—and Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record-holders can do the same.

Did you start to feel better?
Absolutely. The inflammation went away really quickly, and within a month I was sleeping way better, like getting through the night. And I noticed that my energy levels were consistent throughout the day.

But you’re working out for 20 hours a week. You aren’t nervous about losing too much weight or “bonking”?
That’s another misconception with the high-fat diet. Some people say, “Well, I’m skinny. I can’t afford to do that.” That’s misleading, really. If you do the math, even the leanest athletes you see out there—who are, like, 4–5% body fat—have enough body fat to last them for a long endurance event. If you teach your body to metabolize fat when energy levels start to dip, then your body can turn to that fat as a fuel source.

What does a typical day of eating look like for you?
For breakfast, instead of having cereal or oatmeal, I’ll have eggs and bacon with maybe some spinach. Lunch is usually a Cobb salad, and my favorite dinner is a tri-tip steak or something like that.

https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs/

u cant think on low carbs and what a waste of energy and time because he will be sitting on his ass for a week after that run

[IroNat]

If you skip the carbs you may not live longer but you'll look better in your casket, and that's a win.

[Flexacon]

Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs.



What’s even more surprising, though, is that Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs. At times, carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet—and Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record-holders can do the same.

Surely you can't be that naive.

Anyway do you want to buy a bridge?

[loco]

If you skip the carbs you may not live longer but you'll look better in your casket, and that's a win.

Ketogenic diet reduces mid-life mortality and improves memory in aging mice

"The possible mechanisms of KD in longevity (and cognition) include effects of the low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet composition as well as activities of BHB itself. The former include reduced insulin and IGF signaling, reduced protein synthesis, and suppression of TOR activation."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5605815/

[joswift]

Surely you can't be that naive.

Anyway do you want to buy a bridge?

Marathon runner I used to know ran his best time on zero carbs

[loco]

Surely you can't be that naive.

Anyway do you want to buy a bridge?

Metabolic characteristics of keto-adapted ultra-endurance runners

"Compared to highly trained ultra-endurance athletes consuming an HC diet, long-term keto-adaptation results in extraordinarily high rates of fat oxidation, whereas muscle glycogen utilization and repletion patterns during and after a 3 hour run are similar."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26892521/