The Downward Spiral of Mark Kerr (The Smashing Machine).

[Matt]

Worth watching...

Opiates are probably the least toxic drug out there. The major issue is the price and the potential for overdose. But apparently, no one is capable of not abusing things.

I used to think consenting adults should be allowed to use drugs. I still so believe that. But my definition of an adult has changed. IMO, a lot of grown adults should never use drugs, because they are incapable of using them responsibly.

[The Keto Kid]

That documentary The Smashing Machine is really good, that guy was a beast in his prime, was definitely on a ton of stuff, painkillers, steroids, various other shit. Those MMA fighters back in the day used to fight 2-3 fights in a night, that shit was insane. But I believe they're making a movie on his life story, I forgot whose supposed to play him I believe it was Jason Mamoa.

[Matt]

That documentary The Smashing Machine is really good, that guy was a beast in his prime, was definitely on a ton of stuff, painkillers, steroids, various other shit. Those MMA fighters back in the day used to fight 2-3 fights in a night, that shit was insane. But I believe they're making a movie on his life story, I forgot whose supposed to play him I believe it was Jason Mamoa.

Jason Momoa would probably make more sense, but they have 52-year-old The Rock playing him.

Kerr did take a massive amount of every drug under the sun, and was a jacked 260-lb at 6'3". The video above even says he was 275-lb, but I recall him being 260. Maybe I'm wrong though.

He could have presumably been a light-heavyweight off the drugs.

How heavy are most men naturally between 5'9" and 6'3"? Maybe 170-lb to 210-lb? People aren't shit without steroids. Bodybuilding is a fraud, and so was early MMA.

[Flexacon]

People aren't shit without steroids. Bodybuilding is a fraud

You're starting to sound like a broken record.

If your goal is to become even more despised and ridiculed on here though then please continue.

[Matt]

You're starting to sound like a broken record.

If your goal is to become even more despised and ridiculed on here though then please continue.

Why? Tell me why, Flexacon. Am I hurting the feelings of the lifetime TRT addicts by stating the obvious?

Of course on some level *I* knew bodybuilding was all drugs - thanks to years of reading threads. But it wasn't until using what VERY LITTLE I'M EVEN USING and making better progress than I ever did doing EVERYTHING RIGHT for months or even years - even for STRENGTH LEVELS, FOR FUCK'S SAKE - that I realized just how much bodybuilding is all drugs.

Maybe we lie as a way to prevent children from using steroids..maybe...but whatever the reason, it is utter BALDERDASH to tell regular people that it's just a matter of hard work. And to the extent non-PED variables play a role, nutrition is way more important than training. It's hard to quantify, but it's probably 70/30.

Tell me, Flexacon, what are you going to say when I'm bench pressing 315x15? When I post lifts which prove beyond ANY DOUBT I was clean all these years, and that the ONLY change was PED's, and my progress vaults ahead like that?

There's actually a phenomenon that I see with juicers who never go off, who literally FORGET they are even taking steroids. If any of these DELUSIONAL FUCKING FOOLS stayed off for a legitimate 1-3 years, THEN they would know how much steroids are helping them.

Remember Tom Prince's bullshit? That delusional fuck [RIP] went from 280 in 2003 to 190 when those Max Muscle couch photos were posted in 2004. HAHAHAHA. WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?

If steroids don't matter, THEN STOP FUCKING USING THEM AND TELL ME HOW YOU LOOK IN 18 MONTHS.

Or conversely, use them and stop downplaying them.

You're not fooling me, dude. I just feel badly for the masses of people in the general public taken in by this con.

Bodybuilding = all drugs.

[Matt]

This is a good example to explain it:

If you randomly divided last year's Mr. Olympia competitors into two groups, and put them on the same diet, with the first 50% using PED's WHILE NOT TRAINING WHATSOEVER, and the other 50% training normally, but without the use of any PED's, the PED group would comprise the top placings at the following Olympia. The natural group would comprise the bottom 50% of results.

There would be NO OVERLAP WHATSOEVER.

For whatever credit you want to give to training, it is NOTHING close to steroids.

But hey - I get it. We have a bunch of steroid addicts in denial. I talked to a former Getbigger on Facebook recently. I COULD NOT BELIEVE HE WAS STILL USING. Pushing 50.

Hopefully he's smart enough to use in moderation, but from the size of his delts and firearms, it didn't look like it.

Anyway, bodybuilding is all drugs.

Hey Flexacon - I can stay on until I hit 250, if that will make you acknowledge reality. I could always throw in GH, or whatever else. But even my current results, on what little I am using, is enough proof for me.

I could not have made this progress in a year, drug-free.

[Flexacon]

Why? Tell me why, Flexacon. Am I hurting the feelings of the lifetime TRT addicts by stating the obvious?

Bodybuilding = all drugs.

Getbig has always been one of the rare places where the general consensus amongst juicers has always been that bodybuilding is drugs first and everything else afterwards.

You arriving to this conclusion after 20 years on here just confirms what everyone already suspects.

Matt Canning = Retard

[Matt]

Getbig has always been one of the rare places where the general consensus amongst juicers has always been that bodybuilding is drugs first and everything else afterwards.

You arriving to this conclusion after 20 years on here just confirms what everyone already suspects.

Matt Canning = Retard

To be honest, I'm mainly annoyed with that fucking phaggot, MCWAY, and his stupid comments that I could have achieved this naturally. 

UHH...NO, I COULDN'T HAVE.

And sure as fuck not in a matter of weeks.

It's one thing for him to say my results will be better, but emphasize potential health costs - but for that shitbag to suggest that I can get the same results naturally. That's just bullshit.

At 5'9" and 220-lb naturally at age 48, MCWAY no doubt looks like shit, and is probably at least 25% body fat. WHAT A FUCKING SHOCKER - ANOTHER GETBIGGER WHO WON'T POST A PICTURE.

Shit, kind of like you, Flexacon.

How are you going to sound calling me a retard once you a post a picture. I'll just be like "Yeah, I'm a retard - oh, hey...and you're bald!"

Of course you don't want to give me the material. Are you boosted yet, Flexacon? Fucking loser.

Anyway, I resent being told that bodybuilding is anything but drugs. It gives people the wrong ideas.

People should basically think they can make nominal progress through training, but only make great progress using PED's. Because THAT is reality. But I guess the supplement companies need to make their cash - so the fraud persists.

[Flexacon]

To be honest, I'm mainly annoyed with that fucking phaggot, MCWAY, and his stupid comments that I could have achieved this naturally. 

UHH...NO, I COULDN'T HAVE.

And sure as fuck not in a matter of weeks.

It's one thing for him to say my results will be better, but emphasis potential health costs - but that sack fucking asshole to suggest that I can get the same results naturally. That's just bullshit.

At 5'9" and 220-lb naturally, MCWAY no doubt looks like shit, and is probably at least 25% body fat. WHAT A FUCKING SHOCKER - ANOTHER GETBIGGER WHO WON'T POST A PICTURE.

Shit, kind of like you, Flexacon. Gee, might that be because you shit and you know if?

How are you going to sound calling me a retard once you a post a picture. I'll just be like "Yeah, I'm a retard - oh, hey...and you're bald!'

Of course you don't want to give me the material. Are you boosted yet, Flexacon? Fucking loser.

Anyway, I resent being told that bodybuilding is anything but drugs. It gives people the wrong ideas.

People should basically think they can make nominal progress through training, but only make great progress using PED's. Because THAT is reality. But I guess the supplement companies need to make their cash - so the fraud persists.

You remind me of a this. Except his cock is bigger than yours. Prime approved. Unlike yours

[Matt]

You remind me of a this. Except his cock is bigger than yours

My cock is fine. I don't fuck women with my flaccid cock. Although if you've been on PED's for years, maybe you do.

Remember when you said that cruise ship that only allowed vaccinated people to board had what outbreak of Covid because the vaccine was working?

HAHAHAHAHHA, YOU BIG PHARMA FUCKING STOOGE.

Keep keeping boosted, you fucking loser.

[Flexacon]

My cock is fine.

That's not what prime told me

[bhank]

Jason Momoa would probably make more sense, but they have 52-year-old The Rock playing him.

Kerr did take a massive amount of every drug under the sun, and was a jacked 260-lb at 6'3". The video above even says he was 275-lb, but I recall him being 260. Maybe I'm wrong though.

He could have presumably been a light-heavyweight off the drugs.

How heavy are most men naturally between 5'9" and 6'3"? Maybe 170-lb to 210-lb? People aren't shit without steroids. Bodybuilding is a fraud, and so was early MMA.

This is comical he has been off everything for years and is well over 300lbs now

[bhank]

Why? Tell me why, Flexacon. Am I hurting the feelings of the lifetime TRT addicts by stating the obvious?

Of course on some level *I* knew bodybuilding was all drugs - thanks to years of reading threads. But it wasn't until using what VERY LITTLE I'M EVEN USING and making better progress than I ever did doing EVERYTHING RIGHT for months or even years - even for STRENGTH LEVELS, FOR FUCK'S SAKE - that I realized just how much bodybuilding is all drugs.

Maybe we lie as a way to prevent children from using steroids..maybe...but whatever the reason, it is utter BALDERDASH to tell regular people that it's just a matter of hard work. And to the extent non-PED variables play a role, nutrition is way more important than training. It's hard to quantify, but it's probably 70/30.

Tell me, Flexacon, what are you going to say when I'm bench pressing 315x15? When I post lifts which prove beyond ANY DOUBT I was clean all these years, and that the ONLY change was PED's, and my progress vaults ahead like that?

There's actually a phenomenon that I see with juicers who never go off, who literally FORGET they are even taking steroids. If any of these DELUSIONAL FUCKING FOOLS stayed off for a legitimate 1-3 years, THEN they would know how much steroids are helping them.

Remember Tom Prince's bullshit? That delusional fuck [RIP] went from 280 in 2003 to 190 when those Max Muscle couch photos were posted in 2004. HAHAHAHA. WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?

If steroids don't matter, THEN STOP FUCKING USING THEM AND TELL ME HOW YOU LOOK IN 18 MONTHS.

Or conversely, use them and stop downplaying them.

You're not fooling me, dude. I just feel badly for the masses of people in the general public taken in by this con.

Bodybuilding = all drugs.

You literally doubled your calories and went from starvation size to a normal size to a soft 205lbs and you have been training for decades you have not blown up into a 250lb shredded bodybuilder. You are not even taping at 17 cold yet and think you have it all figured out. Tom Prince had kidney failure not a normal situation. You absolutely could have been 205lbs if you had just been eating like a regular person the last couple years. 90% of your gains are from the food not the 18mg of anadrol you even say nutrition is 70% then claim it is all drugs you contradict yourself. Lifting whatever doesn't prove anyone is clean you used previously you don't get to claim clean.

[bhank]

This is a good example to explain it:

If you randomly divided last year's Mr. Olympia competitors into two groups, and put them on the same diet, with the first 50% using PED's WHILE NOT TRAINING WHATSOEVER, and the other 50% training normally, but without the use of any PED's, the PED group would comprise the top placings at the following Olympia. The natural group would comprise the bottom 50% of results.

There would be NO OVERLAP WHATSOEVER.

For whatever credit you want to give to training, it is NOTHING close to steroids.

But hey - I get it. We have a bunch of steroid addicts in denial. I talked to a former Getbigger on Facebook recently. I COULD NOT BELIEVE HE WAS STILL USING. Pushing 50.

Hopefully he's smart enough to use in moderation, but from the size of his delts and firearms, it didn't look like it.

Anyway, bodybuilding is all drugs.

Hey Flexacon - I can stay on until I hit 250, if that will make you acknowledge reality. I could always throw in GH, or whatever else. But even my current results, on what little I am using, is enough proof for me.

I could not have made this progress in a year, drug-free.

This is comical doubling your calories and going from 185-205lbs soft is proof enough to you that you could get to 250lbs? You absolutely could have gone to 205lbs just doubling your calories gains slow down once you are eating regular and a normal size they don't accelerate

[IroNat]

Never discount the power of eggs and grass fed rinsed beef.

[joswift]

This is comical he has been off everything for years and is well over 300lbs now

its because hes fat you moron

Fucks sake

[IroNat]

Kerr wrestled in the 170s in college but of course he was cutting a bit to make that weight.

So, naturally around 200-210 probably.

[joswift]

You literally doubled your calories and went from starvation size to a normal size to a soft 205lbs and you have been training for decades you have not blown up into a 250lb shredded bodybuilder. You are not even taping at 17 cold yet and think you have it all figured out. Tom Prince had kidney failure not a normal situation. You absolutely could have been 205lbs if you had just been eating like a regular person the last couple years. 90% of your gains are from the food not the 18mg of anadrol you even say nutrition is 70% then claim it is all drugs you contradict yourself. Lifting whatever doesn't prove anyone is clean you used previously you don't get to claim clean.

pot , kettle , black

[Thin Lizzy]

Kerr wrestled in the 170s in college but of course he was cutting a bit to make that weight.

So, naturally around 200-210 probably.

As a true natty, IMO, he would have fought MMA at 185 to 205.

[bhank]

its because hes fat you moron

Fucks sake

He is 6 foot 3 fat or not he is a large man he is nowhere near 200lbs

[bhank]

As a true natty, IMO, he would have fought MMA at 185 to 205.

At 6 foot 3?? He is a large man juice or not he is nowhere near 200lbs

[ChristopherA]

To be honest, I'm mainly annoyed with that fucking phaggot, MCWAY, and his stupid comments that I could have achieved this naturally. 

UHH...NO, I COULDN'T HAVE.

And sure as fuck not in a matter of weeks.

It's one thing for him to say my results will be better, but emphasize potential health costs - but for that shitbag to suggest that I can get the same results naturally. That's just bullshit.

At 5'9" and 220-lb naturally at age 48, MCWAY no doubt looks like shit, and is probably at least 25% body fat. WHAT A FUCKING SHOCKER - ANOTHER GETBIGGER WHO WON'T POST A PICTURE.

Shit, kind of like you, Flexacon.

How are you going to sound calling me a retard once you a post a picture. I'll just be like "Yeah, I'm a retard - oh, hey...and you're bald!"

Of course you don't want to give me the material. Are you boosted yet, Flexacon? Fucking loser.

Anyway, I resent being told that bodybuilding is anything but drugs. It gives people the wrong ideas.

People should basically think they can make nominal progress through training, but only make great progress using PED's. Because THAT is reality. But I guess the supplement companies need to make their cash - so the fraud persists.

You're really harping on this bald thing. I'd rather shave my head and be over 6' tall then have hair and be short. Women don't respect short men

[Thin Lizzy]

At 6 foot 3?? He is a large man juice or not he is nowhere near 200lbs

He’s about 6’1. Height is always overstated. The guy next to him was billed as 6’2”.

[bhank]

He’s about 6’1. Height is always overstated. The guy next to him was billed as 6’2”.

Regardless that is not a 200lb man

[joswift]

Regardless that is not a 200lb man

you are aware that most skeletons are the same size and only really vary on height

Big Boned isnt really a thing

any man at 6ft 1 can be 185lbs