Seated vs Lying leg curl

[wes]

Yes. Have you tried the seated leg curl? The machines are gimmicky I agree. But a lot of seated curls make you feel much less stable. I really like the way you can lock the pad under your knees real tight. I sometimes use Hammer seated and it feel like you're moving around a lot, just feels less stable. Here all energy goes into contracting the hams, almost feels dangerous how hard you can contract the hams.

There`s only two gym s in my town both on college campuses.....one of them has the Hoist machines and is cheap to join for a year,the other gym now allows only students to work out there.....I drive 100 miles to do legs in another town.

I hope that answers your question about these pieces of complete total shit machines Hoist Fitness. 

[Van_Bilderass]

There`s only two gym s in my town both on college campuses.....one of them has the Hoist machines and is cheap to join for a year,the other gym now allows only students to work out there.....I drive 100 miles to do legs in another town.

I hope that answers your question about these pieces of complete total shit machines Hoist Fitness. 

Not really  I wanted to know if and how you liked this specific piece, if you liked the "locked in" feeling I was talking about 

You really do expend a lot of energy just stabilizing on the lying leg curl 

There are huge differences in feel between same type of pieces from different manufacturers. The dream would be to be wealthy enough to design a whole homegym with all your favorite pieces from different manufacturers. Perhaps even have some aspects of different pieces customized for you  Jordan Peters is doing something like that for his homegym.

[Lustral]

Both are useless because they target only part of the hamstrings, and do so in isolation from the gluteus. Do Romanian Deadlifts and save your money.


https://musclemonsters.com/blogs/blog/romanian-deadlift-stop-ignoring-this-powerful-hamstring-builder

Ever hear of supersets? Just keeo dumbells beside machine do db sldl after...

[ThisisOverload]

Always got the best results when i was doing good mornings and deadlifts.

To answer the question, the lying leg curl seems to work the best for me.

Also, at one gym there was a standing leg curl that had this padded attachment that switched from left to right with a pin. I could get insane pumps with that machine. Haven't seen one if a while.

The seated ones are terrible for your knees if you use too much weight. My orthopedic surgeon told me to never do them after i had knee surgery.

[wes]

Not really  I wanted to know if and how you liked this specific piece, if you liked the "locked in" feeling I was talking about 

You really do expend a lot of energy just stabilizing on the lying leg curl 

There are huge differences in feel between same type of pieces from different manufacturers. The dream would be to be wealthy enough to design a whole homegym with all your favorite pieces from different manufacturers. Perhaps even have some aspects of different pieces customized for you  Jordan Peters is doing something like that for his homegym.

The Cybex seated leg curls locks you in place very tightly,and doesn`t rock while you use it so IMO it`s better.

I could join the gym with the Hoist stuff for 35.00 more and get 6 months and it`s close by.

I pay 35.00 a month to drive round trip 100  miles just to train legs ,so that shows how much I  dislike Hoist Rok-It....IMO they suck balls.

I still don`t have access to a hack machine or a lying leg curls at my new gym but the machines are stable and don`t hop all over the place while using them.....whoever designed Hoist Rok-It never trained seriously a day in their life.

I`m looking for gains,not gimmicks.

[AbrahamG]

Always got the best results when i was doing good mornings and deadlifts.

To answer the question, the lying leg curl seems to work the best for me.

Also, at one gym there was a standing leg curl that had this padded attachment that switched from left to right with a pin. I could get insane pumps with that machine. Haven't seen one if a while.

The seated ones are terrible for your knees if you use too much weight. My orthopedic surgeon told me to never do them after i had knee surgery.

These used to be a staple in most gyms.  Where the fuck have they gone?  Those are probably my favorite form of leg curls. 

[stavios]

I did a lot of leg curls both seated and lying and my doctor seems to think that it's the main reason I snap a hamstring every time I sprint.

I think like another one said earlier, deads and good mornings are better to maintain balance troughout the whole hamstrings.

[Van_Bilderass]

These used to be a staple in most gyms.  Where the fuck have they gone?  Those are probably my favorite form of leg curls.

Some of these internet biomechanics gurus say the standing leg curl is essentially the same as a lying leg curl biomechanically, except with even less stability for the hip. Though I like them for "pumps" at least. Thought I tore my hamstring straight off the bone a few months back, heard a snapping sound and the weight crashed down. Turns out it was just a strain but since then I've been wary of loading heavy (say less than 10 reps) on that machine.

Good mornings are great. But how often do you see guys doing them? I rarely ever see anyone doing them, it's one of those "dangerous for your back" exercises. I use to do them up to 3 times per week "heavy" and I have the ugly fatty lump on my spine to prove it. Great exercise for the lumbars and hams without as much "nervous exhaustion" as deadlifts.

One personal observation has been that I could hardly make any strength progression over many years on the lying leg curl, despite putting a ton of effort into them. Sure the rest of the ham curls didn't get much stronger either but the lying was extra stubborn.

I pay 35.00 a month to drive round trip 100  miles just to train legs ,so that shows how much I  dislike Hoist Rok-It....IMO they suck balls.

I didn't like any of their other pieces and even the leg curl feels like something not designed for hardcore training. Most of the commersial brands here are shitty like that. Even the cable cross stations, it's like they are designed to feel soft on you in some way. I did see Palumbo hyping up one of their machines and he caught some flack for that, but he thought the "feel" was amazing 

[Beefjake]

I did a lot of leg curls both seated and lying and my doctor seems to think that it's the main reason I snap a hamstring every time I sprint.

Padding in most of these machines prevent you from curling your leg as far as it would originally go.
Typically leaving the uppermost part unaffected. That is where you usually have tears while sprinting.

One of the many possible reasons of course.

Resistance band holds give me great pump. Find a optimal lengt, curl your heels to your glutes and try to hold a while. Like 15sec. Most of us cannot hold this curl even without a band and not cramp up.
Not cramping is a first singn of that ham working better.

Bodybuilding benefit is better functioning muscle and a peak contraction like no other.

[ThisisOverload]

Good mornings are great. But how often do you see guys doing them? I rarely ever see anyone doing them, it's one of those "dangerous for your back" exercises. I use to do them up to 3 times per week "heavy" and I have the ugly fatty lump on my spine to prove it. Great exercise for the lumbars and hams without as much "nervous exhaustion" as deadlifts.

In a sports athletic facility, you see them a lot. They have kind of lost their usage due to many people doing them wrong and/or too heavy, so people classify them as dangerous. A good stiff deadlift variation is the same thing more or less. But i can tell you, once you have full command of your hams and can really target them while doing good mornings, they are a game changer.

I don't deadlift much anymore, but i still do GM's often. More as a warmup than an exercise. Just learn to do them with 185-205 pounds and do them smoothly. Slow and controlled, gentle rocking back the fourth, don't try to strain. My hams get so freaking sore from them. To be honest i haven't used leg curl machines much, but they are good to finish off a workout. My hamstrings are like steel cables.

When i was heavy into Power lifting, all the strong squatters and dead lifters did a lot of GM's and glute-ham raises. Once i started doing them my squat went up like 90 pounds in a couple months.

[kcb5150]

I will never understand seated as far as sitting on the muscle you are trying to work... I like the single leg standing cybex plate loaded one.

[JackTheRipper]

Some people have mentioned good mornings, I find them really awkward.  Bending forward with a bar on your upper back / Trap area is just not comfortable. Tried a foam roller ..etc but I find the bar rolls forward or the pad turns.
Seems more sensible to have the bar in the stiff legged deadlift position because you're essentially pretty much doing the same movement..Bending forward

[Gym-Rat]

In a sports athletic facility, you see them a lot. They have kind of lost their usage due to many people doing them wrong and/or too heavy, so people classify them as dangerous. A good stiff deadlift variation is the same thing more or less. But i can tell you, once you have full command of your hams and can really target them while doing good mornings, they are a game changer.

I don't deadlift much anymore, but i still do GM's often. More as a warmup than an exercise. Just learn to do them with 185-205 pounds and do them smoothly. Slow and controlled, gentle rocking back the fourth, don't try to strain. My hams get so freaking sore from them. To be honest i haven't used leg curl machines much, but they are good to finish off a workout. My hamstrings are like steel cables.

When i was heavy into Power lifting, all the strong squatters and dead lifters did a lot of GM's and glute-ham raises. Once i started doing them my squat went up like 90 pounds in a couple months.

We have a lot of PL's in our gym, we all do Good-Mornings still. When done correctly they are not dangerous. (Like any exercise).

[wes]

These used to be a staple in most gyms.  Where the fuck have they gone?  Those are probably my favorite form of leg curls. 

X 2..... really a different feel.....quite isolated and great peak contraction... but hard to find unless you trained in one of my old gyms which would update equipment every 6-8 months it seemed....great place to train.

[Van_Bilderass]

Some people have mentioned good mornings, I find them really awkward.  Bending forward with a bar on your upper back / Trap area is just not comfortable. Tried a foam roller ..etc but I find the bar rolls forward or the pad turns.
Seems more sensible to have the bar in the stiff legged deadlift position because you're essentially pretty much doing the same movement..Bending forward

Some use a pussy pad but it doesn't work well as you said. I just trained through the discomfort and now I have a large fat pad on the area of the spine where the bar sits.

Something about also gripping a weight while essentially doing the same movement pattern makes deads more exhausting IME. I could tolerate higher frequency, but then again I sometimes did 3 heavy deadlift workouts in the same week, just varying the types and ranges of motion. You can get used to a lot at least for a period of time or until your onnective tissue wears down completely 

I wish I had chains or these types of straps on my powerrack so I could do them like this. Freaking beautiful 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Chbcg9mgL4b/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[wes]

I didn't like any of their other pieces and even the leg curl feels like something not designed for hardcore training. Most of the commersial brands here are shitty like that. Even the cable cross stations, it's like they are designed to feel soft on you in some way. I did see Palumbo hyping up one of their machines and he caught some flack for that, but he thought the "feel" was amazing 

Van,right now I`m training at home except for the aforementioned leg days at the new gym I`ve joined.

Now I`ve been training a long long time and I know how to establish a mind/muscle connection so I will get a good pump and feel the targeted muscle group working/responding.

What I have come to realize is that I do not need machines at all.... what so ever !!

I thought about it and I honestly only feel pulldowns in my lats once in a while.......same as triceps pressdowns, which I feel are ridiculously over rated and done incorrectly more than they are done correctly,flat bench dumbell flyes simply crush cable crossovers..... crossovers seem wimpy and girly by comparison,they are easy that`s why every noob does them,either way too light, or stupidly too heavy almost like doing a standing bench press.....I used to love cable rows but have no clue as to why because I very seldomn ever felt them in my lats.......I did "feel" all these machines at times, but not always at every workout..... but as the years went by I realized I only used them cuz people and magazines said I should use them, and all the bodybuilders used them, and also to alleviate boredom,but fuck boredom if you are using something that is doing you no good and/or just wasting your energy,and more importantly aren`t progressing from..

In a nutshell,I get far more soreness,and better pumps training at home doing heavy basic stuff and high intesnsity stuff with basically just free weights.

Now I`m not saying this applies to everyone here but I think we all should stop and ask ourselves if pressdowns are better than skullcrushers or cambered bar french presses......are cable pussovers as good as heavy flyes, etc. etc. and most Hammer Machines suck cock too......5 plates a side for chest always done incorrectly just to impress someone.

All I was missing was leg machines,hence why I joined a brand new gym and I`m making great gains and on a pretty steady basis.

FUCK MACHINES.....most of them anyway.....not ALL of them.....THINK about it.....some have merit others are done cuz Arnold did them and we think we should also.

Just my thoughts.

[ProudVirgin69]

Some people have mentioned good mornings, I find them really awkward.  Bending forward with a bar on your upper back / Trap area is just not comfortable. Tried a foam roller ..etc but I find the bar rolls forward or the pad turns.
Seems more sensible to have the bar in the stiff legged deadlift position because you're essentially pretty much doing the same movement..Bending forward

don't think of it as bending forward, but rather bringing your hips back as if to touch the wall behind you and then forward again .. With your back arched and your knees straight, the movement will take care of itself.

[Hulkotron]

I will never understand seated as far as sitting on the muscle you are trying to work... I like the single leg standing cybex plate loaded one.

This is the thing I dislike about seated as well.

[JackTheRipper]

don't think of it as bending forward, but rather bringing your hips back as if to touch the wall behind you and then forward again .. With your back arched and your knees straight, the movement will take care of itself.

Yeah.. not saying it´s a bad exercise but as i wrote i hate the bar rolling, just feels bad for me.

[Van_Bilderass]

FUCK MACHINES.....most of them anyway.....not ALL of them.....THINK about it.....some have merit others are done cuz Arnold did them and we think we should also.

Just my thoughts.

I'm not a purist either way. Some machines feel invaluable depending on why you're training. I always got a kick out of pros' training articles in the mags and how many of them said they believed in free weights only and then you looked at the article and it's 90% machines. Smith machine, low pulley rows, leg press, leg extention, leg curls, triceps pulley pushdowns, cable curls, calf machines etc. Like what the hell were they talking about lol? I remember Levrone was one and there were tons of others.

That said, during the time I've been posting here over so many years, 90% of my training has been deadlifts, good mornings, squats. The gym has a powerlifting platform, a powerrack from 70s, numerous top of the line bars and a ton of Eleiko plates. I was almost satisfied with just that. A few 70s or 80s machines like lying leg curl and calf machines and pulley stations. I just want to feel some weight, fuck balanced bodybuilding lol. But I often did miss some nice machines for "touchup" training, rehab/prehab, bodybuilding type stuff. So periodically I trained maybe once a week at a secondary "bodybuilding gym." Seriously, I've gone months doing nothing but deadlifts and good mornings with a little squats plus maybe 1 or 2 small assistance exercises thrown in every other week. Who trains like this lol? What's it called? Fuck, doesn't make much of difference in my physique anyway with my genes. Past few years I had some illnesses and injuries so I was more at the bodybuilding gym but it's not as satisfying as pulling some damn weight. 

[Thin Lizzy]

Some people have mentioned good mornings, I find them really awkward.  Bending forward with a bar on your upper back / Trap area is just not comfortable. Tried a foam roller ..etc but I find the bar rolls forward or the pad turns.
Seems more sensible to have the bar in the stiff legged deadlift position because you're essentially pretty much doing the same movement..Bending forward

Never liked the risk/reward ratio of Good Mornings.

I’ve found reverse hypertensions a safe effective alternative for lower back strengthening.

[Spike]

kneeling leg curl

[Thin Lizzy]

kneeling leg curl

Looking at that pic, hard not to think of Vince B.😂

[Spike]

Looking at that pic, hard not to think of Vince B.😂

 

[wes]