Author Topic: Why not a weight class at the O.? (Read 9237 times)

War-Horse · « **on:** April 26, 2006, 03:24:13 PM »

So chic mentioned that a proposal of "over 200lbs and under 200lbs" at the meeting. It was denied by manion and other IFBB brass. It would do wonders to bring the sport back into some realistic physiques. 300lbs on stage is here already and im sure we'll go to 400 in 10 yrs or so.
Its getting ugly, and most guys admit they wouldnt mind looking like "Zane" or "steve reeves".

What an idiotic thing they have done. Great bodies like Victor martinez will chase size and blow theyre guts out...........

Its like Drag racing, yes you can see the top fuel blown nitro cars. But you can also see the bracket racers doing something that is reachable for most of us.

Isnt there room for both in bodybuilding??

Saskbb · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2006, 03:45:18 PM »

I agree, I love the 2 weight classes. LOL, back to the Future. History always repeats its self.

Oliver Klaushof · « **Reply #2 on:** April 26, 2006, 03:48:43 PM »

Lee Priest would love it.

Chick · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:29:21 PM »

two weight classes wouyldnt cut it....there would need to be at least 3 if not 4.

Over/ under 200 only benefits those in the under division...they would all be within 10-15 lbs of each other.

If your in the over 200 class, there could be close to a 100 lb. difference from top to bottom of class.

Larry pepe has a great article in the last issue of MuscleMag which outlines a proposal for weight classes and what it might bring to the table for pro BB...

A great idea IMO...

midknight · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:31:35 PM »

yeah, it sure created interests for Ms. Olympia when they had two winners... Eeer?

davidpaul · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:33:02 PM »

Quote from: BORAT on April 26, 2006, 04:31:39 PM

chicks you have very strong physique, how many punch it take for you to knock out small horse

lol

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:34:26 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 26, 2006, 04:29:21 PM

two weight classes wouyldnt cut it....there would need to be at least 3 if not 4.

Over/ under 200 only benefits those in the under division...they would all be within 10-15 lbs of each other.

If your in the over 200 class, there could be close to a 100 lb. difference from top to bottom of class.

Larry pepe has a great article in the last issue of MuscleMag which outlines a proposal for weight classes and what it might bring to the table for pro BB...

A great idea IMO...

Chick, I didn't read the article but would there still be an overall winner?

onlyme · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:43:34 PM »

WHy don't they just use the NPC classes in the Pros. The should have closer weights. Like in Armwrwstling we had like 11 weight classes. The highest weight difference is around 9 to 11 pounds. I do know one reason why though less weight classes does mean less prize money. If you had more wieght classes you would have to have an awful allot of prize money to spread around to 20+ guys. It ~~could~~ does add up

Chick · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:44:07 PM »

No...just class winners.

Anyone whos ever seen the nationals/ USA, knows having a guy that weighs 175 go up against a guy that weighs 270... both in contest shape, has gone the way of the bigger man 99/100.

Much like in boxing..you wouldnt have a flyweight world champ, box the heavyweight champ...isn't fair.

You would simply have 3-4 "world champions", each could benefit by the title, their companies would benefit, and we would reach a much broader fan base with more potential to appeal to a greater audience.

Which is more impressive...David Henry- 2006 World Champion.... or David Henry- 12th place Mr. Olympia?

Times have changed, and the bar has been raised substancially. It's time to make some changes to bring Pro BB up a few hundred notches...It's no longer fair to pit guys against each other, when there is such a difference in size/ weight.

It's impossible to fairly judge when the bigger man will almost always come out on top...

onlyme · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:45:27 PM »

I mean if you had classes like in the NPC what 7 or 9 or so. If you gave just $10,000 to the winner that is $90,000 just there. Then 2nd through 5th. And the Olympia prize purse would be in the millions of dollars. That could be one huge reason why only one weight class

gtbro1 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:54:16 PM »

I agree with Chic I think it would be better.Plus...maybe some of these guys would stop ruining their physiques trying to play the size game.The physiques of today are awesome,except for the big guts all that. It does,however,sort of take away from the prestige of being the one true Mr. Olympia,but oh well.I think it would be great and it would be a much needed change.By the way....why /when did they do away with the weight classes before?

Oliver Klaushof · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:57:21 PM »

Two weight classes is enough. Under 200 hundred and over 200. Or a "short" class. Who wants to see a bunch of flyweight "bodybuilders" parading around displaying their muscularity? Two classes would give people like Priest and Dim a chance to win - but nobody wants to see skinny "bodybuilders" Those guys should not compete.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2006, 04:58:58 PM »

It should be over or under 225 pounds.

Chick · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:00:50 PM »

Quote from: Oliver Klaushof on April 26, 2006, 04:57:21 PM

Two weight classes is enough. Under 200 hundred and over 200. Or a "short" class. Who wants to see a bunch of flyweight "bodybuilders" parading around displaying their muscularity? Two classes would give people like Priest and Dim a chance to win - but nobody wants to see skinny "bodybuilders" Those guys should not compete.

So you figure a guy thats 215 could be compared fairly with a guy who weighs 260, 270, or 280?? They would both be in the same class by your standards..

240 is Back · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:01:42 PM »

220 and up.
Under 220.

Problem solved!

gtbro1 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:02:04 PM »

This guy would win the under 145 lb class

Oliver Klaushof · « **Reply #16 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:02:50 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 26, 2006, 05:00:50 PM

So you figure a guy thats 215 could be compared fairly with a guy who weighs 260, 270, or 280?? They would both be in the same class by your standards..

Then raise the bar to 220 or so. Or create a short class. Two classes would be interesting this way - but I'm saying nobody cares about so called "bodybuilders" that weigh 145 pounds.

Governor · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:04:44 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on April 26, 2006, 04:45:27 PM

I mean if you had classes like in the NPC what 7 or 9 or so. If you gave just $10,000 to the winner that is $90,000 just there. Then 2nd through 5th. And the Olympia prize purse would be in the millions of dollars. That could be one huge reason why only one weight class

good point.

gtbro1 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:05:31 PM »

I think about 240 lbs would be a decent cut off point. It is after the guys pass the 250-260 lb mark that they start to look overmuscled for their frames.Not saying all but some who obviously look better at a lighter weight...Bob what is your opinion on what the weight classes should be? What are the approximate weights?

Oliver Klaushof · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:06:23 PM »

I think a short class might actually be better. Because let's be realistic - Priest is impressive but there is no way guys like him are going to win with that structure. Put him up against people with a similar height/structure with amazing muscularity and he would win.

Bodybuilding is about building muscles not displaying scrawny little 145 pound bodies.

midknight · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:08:07 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 26, 2006, 04:44:07 PM

No...just class winners.

Anyone whos ever seen the nationals/ USA, knows having a guy that weighs 175 go up against a guy that weighs 270... both in contest shape, has gone the way of the bigger man 99/100.

Much like in boxing..you wouldnt have a flyweight world champ, box the heavyweight champ...isn't fair.

You would simply have 3-4 "world champions", each could benefit by the title, their companies would benefit, and we would reach a much broader fan base with more potential to appeal to a greater audience.

Which is more impressive...David Henry- 2006 World Champion.... or David Henry- 12th place Mr. Olympia?

Times have changed, and the bar has been raised substancially. It's time to make some changes to bring Pro BB up a few hundred notches...It's no longer fair to pit guys against each other, when there is such a difference in size/ weight.

It's impossible to fairly judge when the bigger man will almost always come out on top...

The "sport" of BB is just not big enough to support multi - class champions like Pro Boxing.

Oliver Klaushof · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:10:18 PM »

They can't change their height - but the short guys can put on plenty of muscle. Put them against each other - but don't penalize bodybuilders for not making weight because they're "too muscular." Short class is the way to go.

On top of that, Lee will be pissed for leaving haha.

gtbro1 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:14:46 PM »

Quote from: Oliver Klaushof on April 26, 2006, 05:10:18 PM

They can't change their height - but the short guys can put on plenty of muscle. Put them against each other - but don't penalize bodybuilders for not making weight because they're "too muscular." Short class is the way to go.

On top of that, Lee will be pissed for leaving haha.

hahahaha. I like Lee. He takes these guys on here too serious when he is online(I doubt he cares too much or even thinks about us other than when on here to be honest)..but he is an awesome bodybuilder.Not his fault he is 5'4....although I will say I was surprised about the article in M.D. ...I honestly always figured he was just have'n fun when he called us Wankers and all that.

Oliver Klaushof · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:17:02 PM »

Quote from: gtbro1 on April 26, 2006, 05:14:46 PM

hahahaha. I like Lee. He takes these guys on here too serious when he is online(I doubt he cares too much or even thinks about us other than when on here to be honest)..but he is an awesome bodybuilder.Not his fault he is 5'4....although I will say I was surprised about the article in M.D. ...I honestly always figured he was just have'n fun when he called us Wankers and all that.

I think he DOES care. All these guys got a thin skin. Anyway.....he is an impressive bodybuilder no doubt. There are quite a few guys like him that are short and muscular. We need a short class.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:20:40 PM »

Quote from: Oliver Klaushof on April 26, 2006, 05:17:02 PM

I think he DOES care. All these guys got a thin skin. Anyway.....he is an impressive bodybuilder no doubt. There are quite a few guys like him that are short and muscular. We need a short class.

Do they really have skin thinner than the average person's?