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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2325 on: October 09, 2024, 06:44:13 PM »
Harris' political operation crosses $1 billion raised for the 2024 election
The figure includes money raised into the campaign proper since July 21, as well as an affiliated fundraising vehicle that powers national and state Democratic Party groups.
Oct. 9, 2024
By Natasha Korecki, Jonathan Allen and Carol E. Lee
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna174696

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2326 on: October 09, 2024, 07:17:29 PM »
Harris' political operation crosses $1 billion raised for the 2024 election
The figure includes money raised into the campaign proper since July 21, as well as an affiliated fundraising vehicle that powers national and state Democratic Party groups.
Oct. 9, 2024
By Natasha Korecki, Jonathan Allen and Carol E. Lee
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna174696

But no Zuckerbucks to "fortify" the election this time.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2327 on: October 09, 2024, 08:09:21 PM »
It is a welcome change on Getbig to read a post like yours which is rational, and thoughtful. While I don't completely agree with you, I do agree that sometimes a change in political views and government leadership is good. Without this, nothing gets questioned and that is not conducive to suggest and growth. In that vein, I have long been an advocate for term limits in elected offices.

Having said this, reelecting Trump to office isn't change, yes, it is a repeat of what was positive but more worrisome to me is that it is also everything that was negative during that time and possibly even Moreso. Another issue that worries me is that a lot of folks ignore the more outlandish comments Trump makes and the fact that if he is allowed to act on some of them, the damage might be catastrophic.

This country can survive poor leadership and lacking policies for a short while. History has proven this time and again. I am not convinced we can survive four more years of Donald Trump at the helm.

It's funny to me that those who oppose Trump take him at his word when he's talking in generalities or using metaphors, but when he says things that would align with their beliefs, he's called a liar.

A couple examples.

Trump says he's "Going to be a dictator day one", and goes on to explain what he means is he's going to reverse a lot of Biden's policies immediately (just like Biden did to him).  The left "oh my gosh, he's going to be a dictator, use the military to lock down and arrest his adversaries, kill black lesbians (this was said on CNN), etc....

Trump says there will be a "bloodbath" in the auto industry if Biden is elected and allows US Cars to be built in Mexico without penalty.  The left "Trump is going to lead an armed revolt if not elected"

Conversely, Trump has said repeatedly, he's against Project 2025, it was written by extremists, and he has nothing to do with it.  The left "he's going to implement Project 2025"

Trump has said repeatedly he's not going to institute a federal ban on abortion, that it's up to the states, and he belives in the "3 exception rule" lile Regan.  The left "Trump will institute a federal abortion ban"

I am on the opposite side, and believe that Harris is closer to the end of Democracy than Trump would ever be.  My difference that I believe is that I can actually back it up with tangible things, while anything you post is theory about what you think will happen.

This administration has actively worked to censor individuals and control the media and information.  Read about the Berenson lawsuit.  Read the Twitter files already. This stuff actually happened and is fascism 101.  Please read it.

This admin let legitimate lawfare happen.  Read what happened in the Bragg case.  Learn how a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations was revived and somehow frankenstein'd into a "felony".  Read about how the DA ran on "getting Trump, the county selected, the judge, how someone from the DOJ was somehow "demoted" to go work on the DA's team, how the trial went in terms of revealing the charges, and how it will almost 100% be overturned.  This happened.

This admin also gaslighted the American public as to the health of our current President, criticized anyone who questioned about it, the forced him not to run because of it.  Then, a VP who was hired first and foremost due to her sex and color (the President's own words) gets APPOINTED (not elected) as the nominee to run. That is not democracy. To this day, nobody here or anywhere has been able to give a legitimate, comprehensive argument to justify why she'd make a good leader of our country.  It's really only "not Trump"

We will be just fine if Trump is elected, because we already have 4 years of what will happen when he was in office.  It wasn't the end of anything, except for the destruction of the veil of secrecy surrounding the bullshit the media, the gov't and big tech had for years.

But anyway, I'm game - tell me what you think will happen in a DJT second term that we "won't survive".
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2328 on: October 10, 2024, 09:05:45 AM »
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2329 on: October 10, 2024, 09:25:56 AM »
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While I believe Trump under polls, he needs a bigger lead.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2330 on: October 10, 2024, 09:31:50 AM »
While I believe Trump under polls, he needs a bigger lead.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2331 on: October 10, 2024, 09:53:20 AM »
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2332 on: October 10, 2024, 09:57:44 AM »
The 60 minutes editing is just awful.

At least it got exposed.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2333 on: October 10, 2024, 01:35:07 PM »
While I believe Trump under polls, he needs a bigger lead.

I'm not so sure.  I know there is a legitimate concern about cheating, but given how Trump has over performed his poll numbers, any tie or lead at this point is likely a substantial lead on election day, if history repeats itself. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2334 on: October 10, 2024, 02:39:42 PM »
There are very few positive things that can be said about Harris.  She might be less authentic than Hillary Clinton.  But a lot dumber.  She's an idiot.  The fact she is so close to possibly becoming POTUS is downright scary.

It is interesting that you posted that there are very few positive things that can be said about VP Harris and proceed only to mention what you believe is negative about her. Could you not bring yourself to say something positive? IMO Hillary Clinton is the more politically experienced of the two women, this might be seen as a positive or a negative.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2335 on: October 10, 2024, 02:43:48 PM »
It is interesting that you posted that there are very few positive things that can be said about VP Harris and proceed only to mention what you believe is negative about her. Could you not bring yourself to say something positive? IMO Hillary Clinton is the more politically experienced of the two women, this might be seen as a positive or a negative.

I previously said on the board that she looks good for her age.  That's about the only positive thing I can say about her.

She lacks integrity, intelligence, common sense, emotional intelligence, likability, etc.  Keep in mind about 90 percent of her staff has quit the past four years. 

I don't expect you to admit it, but you know when you listen to her speak, especially off script, it's cringeworthy. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2336 on: October 10, 2024, 02:44:59 PM »
I'm not so sure.  I know there is a legitimate concern about cheating, but given how Trump has over performed his poll numbers, any tie or lead at this point is likely a substantial lead on election day, if history repeats itself.

That's exactly what I meant by under polling.....many Trump supporters tell the pollsters to fuck off.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2337 on: October 10, 2024, 02:46:00 PM »
I previously said on the board that she looks good for her age.  That's about the only positive thing I can say about her.

She lacks integrity, intelligence, common sense, emotional intelligence, likability, etc.  Keep in mind about 90 percent of her staff has quit the past four years. 

I don't expect you to admit it, but you know when you listen to her speak, especially off script, it's cringeworthy.

I asked the same thing in the long post reply above.  What do you think makes Harris a good potential leader?  Can't think of one thing.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2338 on: October 10, 2024, 02:49:57 PM »
That's exactly what I meant by under polling.....many Trump supporters tell the pollsters to fuck off.

And a lot of them are "shy" Trump voters.  Look at how the left demonizes not just Trump but Trump voters/supporters.  I don't blame people for not wanting to be vocal about his support.

BTW, someone just put up a Trump/Vance sign in a prominent place in my neighborhood.  Pretty bold because Hawaii is rabidly, overwhelmingly blue. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2339 on: October 10, 2024, 02:51:11 PM »
I asked the same thing in the long post reply above.  What do you think makes Harris a good potential leader?  Can't think of one thing.

Me neither.  And neither did Democrat voters when she ran in 2020 and got 844 votes, total, before quitting. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2340 on: October 10, 2024, 02:51:41 PM »
I previously said on the board that she looks good for her age.  That's about the only positive thing I can say about her.

She lacks integrity, intelligence, common sense, emotional intelligence, likability, etc.  Keep in mind about 90 percent of her staff has quit the past four years. 

I don't expect you to admit it, but you know when you listen to her speak, especially off script, it's cringeworthy.

You are right, I am not going to admit to something I don't agree with. I find VP Harris very likable. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2341 on: October 10, 2024, 02:59:10 PM »
You are right, I am not going to admit to something I don't agree with. I find VP Harris very likable.

lol   :)

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2342 on: October 10, 2024, 03:00:55 PM »
Well we know who was part of the 16 percent.   :)

"Prior to announcing her bid for the 2024 Democratic Party presidential nominee, Harris was only seen very favorably by 16 percent of surveyed Americans. However, the weeks following her campaign announcement saw a slight uptick in popularity, with roughly 30 percent viewing her very favorably in early October."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1172346/share-us-adults-favorable-opinion-kamala-harris/

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2343 on: October 10, 2024, 03:01:59 PM »
lol   :)

I mean to each his own, but really?

Still doesn't explain how anyone could think she's be good keeping Americans safe, being in charge of our military, or able to negotiate with some of the smartest and most ruthless fucks on the planet.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2344 on: October 10, 2024, 03:09:09 PM »
I mean to each his own, but really?

Still doesn't explain how anyone could think she's be good keeping Americans safe, being in charge of our military, or able to negotiate with some of the smartest and most ruthless fucks on the planet.

Yeah.  I'm not trying to be rude to Prime, but my initial reaction when I read his post was to laugh out loud.   :)  I actually don't fault him for liking her. 

I've said the same thing about Harris.  If she is unable to answer questions without a friendly interviewer, there is no way she has what it takes to deal with foreign adversaries.  Her getting elected would be arguably the greatest long con in American political history. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2345 on: October 10, 2024, 03:26:43 PM »
Yeah.  I'm not trying to be rude to Prime, but my initial reaction when I read his post was to laugh out loud.   :)  I actually don't fault him for liking her. 

I've said the same thing about Harris.  If she is unable to answer questions without a friendly interviewer, there is no way she has what it takes to deal with foreign adversaries.  Her getting elected would be arguably the greatest long con in American political history.
She is UNABLE  to articulate effectively. How can her supporters stand behind this. I have never witnessed this level of stupidity in my entire life. Biden is a BOSS compared to her.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2346 on: October 10, 2024, 03:30:41 PM »
She is UNABLE  to articulate effectively. How can her supporters stand behind this. I have never witnessed this level of stupidity in my entire life. Biden is a BOSS compared to her.

And at this point it doesn't even surprise me.  We're talking about the same people who tried to tell us Biden was as sharp as ever the past four years. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2347 on: October 10, 2024, 03:54:52 PM »
“Our whole country will end up being like Detroit if she’s your president. You’re going to have a mess on your hands,” Mr Trump said in Detroit today

Or California.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2348 on: October 12, 2024, 12:04:35 AM »
It's a shame that this kind of logical analysis has become so uncommon. 

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A number of my good friends and family have been surprised about my decision to support
@realDonaldTrump for president.  They have been surprised because my political giving history has been mostly to Democrats, my voting registration has typically been Democrat (in NY, you must be registered to the party in order to vote in the primary, and usually the Republican candidate has no chance to win), and many of our philanthropic initiatives have supported issues that are consistent with Democratic priorities.

All of the above said, I have always considered myself to be a centrist and/or moderate, and I have voted for the candidate and supported the issues and policies that I believe are in the best interest of the country. Some have accused me of supporting Trump because doing so will somehow benefit me financially.  Fortunately, I do not need any financial benefits as I and my family have well more than we need. I have also committed to give away the substantial majority of my resources at or by the time I am no longer, so I don't consider personal financial benefits in the determination of whom I support for office. 

Some have suggested that I am supporting Trump because I am seeking a position in his administration. To be clear, I haven't been offered one and I wouldn't take a job in the administration (I love my job and it is the wrong time in my life to work in an administration).  I will, however, do everything else I can to help the president succeed in helping our country and its citizens.

All of the above said, I am an investor who manages funds that own some of the best, principally American, businesses in the world. In a better governed and managed America, these business will do better and increase in value faster.  One might therefore argue that being 'long' America is somehow a conflict, so I thought to disclose this potential 'conflict' here.

Some of my friends and family who support
@KamalaHarris
 are ok with my supporting Trump, but don't want me to attempt to convince others to support him.  Because I strongly believe that a Trump administration will be better for the country and the world than a Harris administration, I think it is important to share my thinking to the extent it helps others come to the right conclusion.

Three months ago, when I endorsed Trump on the day of the first assassination attempt, I promised to share my thinking about why I came to this conclusion in a future more detailed post.  I intend to do so in possibly more than one post, with the first, this one, explaining the actions and policies of the Biden/Harris administration and Democratic Party that were the catalysts for my losing total confidence in the administration and the Party.

To be clear, my decision to vote for Trump is not an endorsement of everything he has done or will do because he is an imperfect man.  Unlike a marriage or a business partnership where there are effectively unlimited alternatives, in this election, we have only two viable choices. Of the two, I believe that Trump is by far the superior candidate despite his flaws and mistakes he has made in the past.

As always, I welcome your feedback on how I could be wrong and on how the below actions and policies I outline below might actually have been good for America.  I have always believed that the best way to get to the truth is to hear the best arguments on all sides of an issue.

While the 33 actions I describe below are those of the Democratic Party and the Biden/Harris administration, they are also the actions and policies that unfortunately  our most aggressive adversaries would likely implement if they wanted to destroy America from within, and had the ability to take control of our leadership. 

These are the 33:

(1) open the borders to millions of immigrants who were not screened for their risk to the country, dumping them into communities where the new immigrants overwhelm existing communities and the infrastructure to support the new entrants, at the expense of the historic residents,

(2) introduce economic policies and massively increase spending without regard to their impact on inflation and the consequences for low-income Americans and the increase in our deficit and national debt,

(3) withdraw from Afghanistan, abandoning our local partners and the civilians who worked alongside us in an unprepared, overnight withdrawal that led to American casualties and destroyed the lives of Afghani women and girls for generations, against the strong advice of our military leadership, and thereafter not showing appropriate respect for their loss at a memorial ceremony in their honor,

(4) introduce thousands of new and unnecessary regulations in light of the existing regulatory regime that interfere with our businesses’ ability to compete, restraining the development of desperately needed housing, infrastructure, and energy production with the associated inflationary effects,

(5) modify the bail system so that violent criminals are released without bail,

(6) destroy our street retailers and communities and promote lawlessness by making shoplifting (except above large thresholds) no longer a criminal offense,

(7) limit and/or attempt to limit or ban fracking and LNG so that U.S. energy costs increase substantially and the U.S. loses its energy independence,

(8) promote DEI ideologies that award jobs, awards, and university admissions on the basis of race, sexual identity and gender criteria, and teach our students and citizens that the world can only be understood as an unfair battle between oppressors and the oppressed, where the oppressors are only successful due to structural racism or a rigged system and the oppressed are simply victims of an unfair system and world,

(9) educate our elementary children that gender is fluid, something to be chosen by a child, and promote hormone blockers and gender reassignment surgeries to our youth without regard to the longer-term consequences to their mental and physical health, and allow biological boys and men to compete in girls and women's sports, depriving girls and women of scholarships, awards, and other opportunities that they would have rightly earned otherwise,

(10) encourage and celebrate massive protests and riots that lead to the burning and destruction of local retail and business establishments while at the same time requiring schools to be shuttered because of the risk of Covid-19 spreading during large gatherings,

(11) encourage and celebrate anti-American and anti-Israel protests and flag burning on campuses around the country with no consequences for the protesters who violate laws or university codes and policies,

(12) allow antisemitism to explode with no serious efforts from the administration to quell this hatred,

(13) mandate vaccines that have not been adequately tested nor have their risks been properly considered compared with the potential benefits adjusted for the age and health of the individual, censoring the contrary advice of top scientists around the world,

(14) shut down free speech in media and on social media platforms that is inconsistent with government policies and objectives,

(15) use the U.S., state, and local legal systems to attack and attempt to jail, take off the campaign trail, and/or massively fine candidates for the presidency without regard to the merits or precedential issues of the case,

(16) seek to defund the police and promote anti-police rhetoric causing a loss of confidence in those who are charged with protecting us,

(17) use government funds to subsidize auto companies and internet providers with vastly more expensive, dated and/or lower-quality technology when greatly superior and cheaper alternatives are available from companies that are owned and/or managed by individuals not favored by the current administration,

(18) mandate in legislation and otherwise government solutions to problems when the private sector can do a vastly better, faster, and cheaper job,

(19) seek to ban gas-powered cars and stoves without regard to the economic and practical consequences of doing so,

(20) take no serious actions when 45 American citizens are killed by terrorists and 12 are taken hostage,

(21) hold back armaments and weaponry from our most important ally in the Middle East in the midst of their hostage negotiations, hostages who include American citizens who have now been held for more than one year,

(22) eliminate sanctions on one of our most dangerous enemies enabling them to generate $150 billion+ of cash reserves from oil sales, which they can then use to fund terrorist proxy organizations who attack us and our allies.  Exchange five American hostages held by Iran for five Iranians plus $6 billion of cash in the worst hostage negotiation in history setting a disastrous and dangerous precedent,

(23) remove known terrorist organizations from the terrorist list so we can provide aid to their people, and allow them to shoot rockets at U.S. assets and military bases with little if any military response from us,

(24) lie to the American people about the cognitive health of the president and accuse those who provide video evidence of his decline of sharing doctored videos and being right wing conspirators,

(25) do nothing about the deteriorating health of our citizens driven by the food industrial complex, the fraudulent USDA food pyramid, and the inclusion of ingredients in our food that are banned by other countries around the world which are more protective of their citizens,

(26) do nothing about the proliferation of new vaccines that are not properly analyzed for their risk versus the potential benefit for healthy children who are mandated to receive them,

(27) do nothing about the continued exemption from liability for the pharma industry that has led to a proliferation of mandatory vaccines for children without considering the potential cumulative effects of the now mandated 72-shot regime,

(28) convince our minority youth that they are victims of a rigged system and that the American dream is not available to them,

(29) fail to provide adequate Secret Service protection for alternative presidential candidates,

(30) litigate to prevent alternative candidates from getting on the ballot, and take other anti-competitive steps including threatening political consultants who wish to work for alternative candidates for the presidency, and limit the potential media access for other candidates by threatening the networks' future access to the administration and access to 'scoops' if they platform an alternative candidate,

(31) select the Democratic nominee for president in a backroom process by undisclosed party leaders without allowing Americans to choose between candidates in an open primary,

(32) choose an inferior candidate for the presidency when other much more qualified candidates are available and interested to serve,

(33) litigate to make it illegal for states to require proof of citizenship, voter ID, and/or residence in order to vote at a time when many Americans have lost confidence in the accuracy and trustworthiness of our voting system.

I welcome your thoughts.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2349 on: October 12, 2024, 02:27:57 PM »
It's funny to me that those who oppose Trump take him at his word when he's talking in generalities or using metaphors, but when he says things that would align with their beliefs, he's called a liar.

A couple examples.

Trump says he's "Going to be a dictator day one", and goes on to explain what he means is he's going to reverse a lot of Biden's policies immediately (just like Biden did to him).  The left "oh my gosh, he's going to be a dictator, use the military to lock down and arrest his adversaries, kill black lesbians (this was said on CNN), etc....

Trump says there will be a "bloodbath" in the auto industry if Biden is elected and allows US Cars to be built in Mexico without penalty.  The left "Trump is going to lead an armed revolt if not elected"

Conversely, Trump has said repeatedly, he's against Project 2025, it was written by extremists, and he has nothing to do with it.  The left "he's going to implement Project 2025"

Trump has said repeatedly he's not going to institute a federal ban on abortion, that it's up to the states, and he belives in the "3 exception rule" lile Regan.  The left "Trump will institute a federal abortion ban"

I am on the opposite side, and believe that Harris is closer to the end of Democracy than Trump would ever be.  My difference that I believe is that I can actually back it up with tangible things, while anything you post is theory about what you think will happen.

This administration has actively worked to censor individuals and control the media and information.  Read about the Berenson lawsuit.  Read the Twitter files already. This stuff actually happened and is fascism 101.  Please read it.

This admin let legitimate lawfare happen.  Read what happened in the Bragg case.  Learn how a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations was revived and somehow frankenstein'd into a "felony".  Read about how the DA ran on "getting Trump, the county selected, the judge, how someone from the DOJ was somehow "demoted" to go work on the DA's team, how the trial went in terms of revealing the charges, and how it will almost 100% be overturned.  This happened.

This admin also gaslighted the American public as to the health of our current President, criticized anyone who questioned about it, the forced him not to run because of it.  Then, a VP who was hired first and foremost due to her sex and color (the President's own words) gets APPOINTED (not elected) as the nominee to run. That is not democracy. To this day, nobody here or anywhere has been able to give a legitimate, comprehensive argument to justify why she'd make a good leader of our country.  It's really only "not Trump"

We will be just fine if Trump is elected, because we already have 4 years of what will happen when he was in office.  It wasn't the end of anything, except for the destruction of the veil of secrecy surrounding the bullshit the media, the gov't and big tech had for years.

But anyway, I'm game - tell me what you think will happen in a DJT second term that we "won't survive".
You put a lot of thought and effort into this post for Prime and the rest of the getlibs to just gloss over it and avoid it. I'd like to see one of them try to respond? Agnostic has been pretty lippy lately, maybe he'd like to take a shot?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!