The 2024 General Election

[Primemuscle]

It's funny to me that those who oppose Trump take him at his word when he's talking in generalities or using metaphors, but when he says things that would align with their beliefs, he's called a liar.

A couple examples.

Trump says he's "Going to be a dictator day one", and goes on to explain what he means is he's going to reverse a lot of Biden's policies immediately (just like Biden did to him).  The left "oh my gosh, he's going to be a dictator, use the military to lock down and arrest his adversaries, kill black lesbians (this was said on CNN), etc....

Trump says there will be a "bloodbath" in the auto industry if Biden is elected and allows US Cars to be built in Mexico without penalty.  The left "Trump is going to lead an armed revolt if not elected"

Conversely, Trump has said repeatedly, he's against Project 2025, it was written by extremists, and he has nothing to do with it.  The left "he's going to implement Project 2025"

Trump has said repeatedly he's not going to institute a federal ban on abortion, that it's up to the states, and he belives in the "3 exception rule" lile Regan.  The left "Trump will institute a federal abortion ban"

I am on the opposite side, and believe that Harris is closer to the end of Democracy than Trump would ever be.  My difference that I believe is that I can actually back it up with tangible things, while anything you post is theory about what you think will happen.

This administration has actively worked to censor individuals and control the media and information.  Read about the Berenson lawsuit.  Read the Twitter files already. This stuff actually happened and is fascism 101.  Please read it.

This admin let legitimate lawfare happen.  Read what happened in the Bragg case.  Learn how a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations was revived and somehow frankenstein'd into a "felony".  Read about how the DA ran on "getting Trump, the county selected, the judge, how someone from the DOJ was somehow "demoted" to go work on the DA's team, how the trial went in terms of revealing the charges, and how it will almost 100% be overturned.  This happened.

This admin also gaslighted the American public as to the health of our current President, criticized anyone who questioned about it, the forced him not to run because of it.  Then, a VP who was hired first and foremost due to her sex and color (the President's own words) gets APPOINTED (not elected) as the nominee to run. That is not democracy. To this day, nobody here or anywhere has been able to give a legitimate, comprehensive argument to justify why she'd make a good leader of our country.  It's really only "not Trump"

We will be just fine if Trump is elected, because we already have 4 years of what will happen when he was in office.  It wasn't the end of anything, except for the destruction of the veil of secrecy surrounding the bullshit the media, the gov't and big tech had for years.

But anyway, I'm game - tell me what you think will happen in a DJT second term that we "won't survive".

I am game too. If Trump gets a second try, will 'he' survive it?

[B_B_C]

I am game too. If Trump gets a second try, will 'he' survive it?

Vance will be presidend by early 2026
after Mr trump suffers   unexpected    cognitive decline

[Humble Narcissist]

Vance will be presidend by early 2026
after Mr trump suffers   unexpected    cognitive decline

We could do much worse.

[Irongrip400]

Even democrats that dislike her will vote for her. Republicans just need to hope Trump shuts his mouth on the name calling, his base will vote for him no matter what, and gets some hype that defeats the hype Kamala has gotten. I’m not sure it matters as democrats are more likely to vote early and probably have already done so. I’d say the people that vote for her reluctantly hope that she enacts some of trumps policies he wants to implement such as immigration reform and fixing trade deficits.

[chaos]

Even democrats that dislike her will vote for her.

I've said this many times, the one thing democrats do is stick together no matter how fucky the situation or person they are supporting.

[Grape Ape]

I've said this many times, the one thing democrats do is stick together no matter how fucky the situation or person they are supporting.

Exactly.

It's how a President can get impeached for sheer political purposes.

If the Rs did this, Biden would have been impeached as well.

[Grape Ape]

I am game too. If Trump gets a second try, will 'he' survive it?

Yes.

Now can you answer the question?

[Gym Rat]

Prime gargles glory-hole groin gravy... The Pimlico Pickle Puffer, The West Linn Lolly-Licker...
The sucker of caulk... The typical libtard...

[Irongrip400]

Yes.

Now can you answer the question?

He won’t give you a definitive answer, it’ll be some word salad that does nothing to counter anything you’ve said. I wish I knew how to put him on ignore because I’d do it.

[illuminati]

He won’t give you a definitive answer, it’ll be some word salad that does nothing to counter anything you’ve said. I wish I knew how to put him on ignore because I’d do it.

Exactly- He either has immense trouble answering simple direct questions
or he's to scared as he'll have to be honest & cannot bring himself to do that.

[Grape Ape]

He won’t give you a definitive answer, it’ll be some word salad that does nothing to counter anything you’ve said. I wish I knew how to put him on ignore because I’d do it.

eh, it's fine.  I really was just looking for someone to come with tangible things they think Trump will do that scares them or positives for Harris.  All I've seen is agnostic say he finds her "likeable".  Not sure how that translates to fixing the current problems.

Saw this sign today:  Replacing Biden with Harris is like shitting your pants then changing your shirt.

[illuminati]

eh, it's fine.  I really was just looking for someone to come with tangible things they think Trump will do that scares them or positives for Harris.  All I've seen is agnostic say he finds her "likeable".  Not sure how that translates to fixing the current problems.

Saw this sign today:  Replacing Biden with Harris is like shitting your pants then changing your shirt.

Ha , I like that sign 🤣😂🤣  👊🏻

Prime & Agnostic007 are lost causes at the moment Neither will enter into
Any kind of honest yes no questions or debate - they just do exactly as Kuntmala
Does & obsfuscate

[Primemuscle]

Exactly.

It's how a President can get impeached for sheer political purposes.

If the Rs did this, Biden would have been impeached as well.

True, had House Republicans banded together as they did on the impeachment inquiry, they would have had enough votes to impeached Biden, they didn't and they knew they wouldn't. But like in Trump's case the Senate would not have upheld it.

[Grape Ape]

True, had House Republicans banded together as they did on the impeachment inquiry, they would have had enough votes to impeached Biden, they didn't and they knew they wouldn't. But like in Trump's case the Senate would not have upheld it.

Agree on the Senate.

But the point is true - the Democrats banded together and put party over country, some Republicans would not fall in line to do the same thing. I don't think the R's reasons were necessarily noble, as I think it was mostly those in blue areas who worried about re-election, but they did not get in lockstep like the Democrats.

Pelosi has been very good at politicking her way towards getting what she wants.

While I would rather neither Trump nor Biden were ever impeached, if it happned to Biden, it was because they started it.

[Primemuscle]

Agree on the Senate.

But the point is true - the Democrats banded together and put party over country, some Republicans would not fall in line to do the same thing. I don't think the R's reasons were necessarily noble, as I think it was mostly those in blue areas who worried about re-election, but they did not get in lockstep like the Democrats.

Pelosi has been very good at politicking her way towards getting what she wants.

While I would rather neither Trump nor Biden were ever impeached, if it happned to Biden, it was because they started it.

I assume by 'they' you mean House Democrats. So yeah, Democrats started it, and Republicans tried unsuccessfully to retaliate. If I were to guess, I believe the House knew the Senate would not uphold the Trump impeachments. So, the point of their proceeding was to put as much information out to the public about Trump's impeachable offenses as possible in hopes that it would as it apparently did keep him from being reelected in 2020 and hopefully in 2024.

[Grape Ape]

I assume by 'they' you mean House Democrats. So yeah, Democrats started it, and Republicans tried unsuccessfully to retaliate. If I were to guess, I believe the House knew the Senate would not uphold the Trump impeachments. So, the point of their proceeding was to put as much information out to the public about Trump's impeachable offenses as possible in hopes that it would as it apparently did keep him from being reelected in 2020 and hopefully in 2024.

It went against what impeachment was originally designed for.

It was not supposed to be to try to remove a President because you don't like them, or to gain political talking points.  Pelosi did know the Senate would not uphold it, and originally resisted it.  For some reason she caved, but when she did, she whipped up the votes no problem, because the left gets in line, which was the original point.

[Primemuscle]

It went against what impeachment was originally designed for.

It was not supposed to be to try to remove a President because you don't like them, or to gain political talking points.  Pelosi did know the Senate would not uphold it, and originally resisted it.  For some reason she caved, but when she did, she whipped up the votes no problem, because the left gets in line, which was the original point.

Right, it is not what impeachment was originally intended for, but it is how it has been used lately. If Trump had won the 2020 election, do you suppose the House would have impeached Trump for a second time? That's a toss up because had Trump won the election, I believe Republicans would have had a one person majority in the Senate. Clinton was already in his second term as was Andrew Jackson. Interestingly the only failed House impeachment that I know of is when they entertained but abandoned Biden's impeachment. One wonders, had Biden continued as the presumptive nominee, would their failed attempt have hurt his chances of being elected. -Guess this is something we will never know. 

[Agnostic007]

Ha , I like that sign 🤣😂🤣  👊🏻

Prime & Agnostic007 are lost causes at the moment Neither will enter into
Any kind of honest yes no questions or debate - they just do exactly as Kuntmala
Does & obsfuscate

I don’t think you’re being honest. I think you are cherry picking answers and ignoring those you don’t agree with or worse, can’t attack

[Agnostic007]

Agree on the Senate.

But the point is true - the Democrats banded together and put party over country, some Republicans would not fall in line to do the same thing. I don't think the R's reasons were necessarily noble, as I think it was mostly those in blue areas who worried about re-election, but they did not get in lockstep like the Democrats.

Pelosi has been very good at politicking her way towards getting what she wants.

While I would rather neither Trump nor Biden were ever impeached, if it happned to Biden, it was because they started it.

Here’s the problem. Trump DID try and get a foreign president to PUBLICLY investigate his opponent. To do so he implied he would withhold funding. If THATS not impeachable frankly I don’t know what is. It was horrific and the impeachment passed with enough votes. Were ALL the votes Democratic? No.. his treason was to the point 10 Republicans crossed the line to support the charge. That SHOULD tell your something about how bad it was, but something tells me it won’t

[Grape Ape]

Here’s the problem. Trump DID try and get a foreign president to PUBLICLY investigate his opponent. To do so he implied he would withhold funding. If THATS not impeachable frankly I don’t know what is. It was horrific and the impeachment passed with enough votes. Were ALL the votes Democratic? No.. his treason was to the point 10 Republicans crossed the line to support the charge. That SHOULD tell your something about how bad it was, but something tells me it won’t

It was easy to see this from the get go:

If you disliked Trump, you see it as him trying to get info on an opponent

If you like Trump, you see it as him trying to investigate corruption

Therefore, it was on the Deomcrats to prove intent beyond doubt, and they failed. It was all hersay.

But I don’t expect you to be onjective based on your response. You see it as fact through your lens.

But, given all the evidence around Biden and his family, seems Trump was onto something.

[Agnostic007]

It was easy to see this from the get go:

If you disliked Trump, you see it as him trying to get info on an opponent

If you like Trump, you see it as him trying to investigate corruption

Therefore, it was on the Deomcrats to prove intent beyond doubt, and they failed. It was all hersay.

But I don’t expect you to be onjective based on your response. You see it as fact through your lens.

But, given all the evidence around Biden and his family, seems Trump was onto something.

Did you overlook/ignore the part about 10 republicans finding it so bad they had to jump
Party lines ? That doesn’t happen unless there is a real issue

[illuminati]

I don’t think you’re being honest. I think you are cherry picking answers and ignoring those you don’t agree with or worse, can’t attack

You can think what you like -
Facts are both you & Prime have & do avoid any straight yes / no answers & questions
on many subjects

[Grape Ape]

Did you overlook/ignore the part about 10 republicans finding it so bad they had to jump
Party lines ? That doesn’t happen unless there is a real issue

Did you read the transcript?

Did you watch all of the hearings?

I did.

You're biased because you hate  Trump.

I am concerned with the weaponization of our political system, gov't agencies and our judicial systems.  I am concerned about curated content, media dishonestly, and mass manipulation.

I have no issue with conversation, but bring something tangible, some examples.  They did not prove anything on the Zelensky call, ESPECIALLY if they were legitimately going to try to remove a sitting President from office.

[Soul Crusher]

[Grape Ape]

Vance destroyed Raddatz and Navarro last interviews.

He sounds completely polished and professional, and knows the exact way to call out their bullshit.  I'm amazing these shows continue to have him on because he makes them look foolish.