Trumps indictment -

[LurkerNoMore]

What concerns me most is that historically Trump, even when guilty as sin, has gotten away with a flagrant disregard for the law. I am set in my ways when it comes to the importance of being law abiding and paying the price when you violate the law.

If Trump is innocent of the crimes he was charged with today, he will get off. Unfortunately, if he is guilty of these crimes, it is likely he will still go scot-free, avoid the consequences because of who he is, or he will tie up the court system for so long, he will expire before he can be appropriately punished.

Many people get away with occasionally breaking the law for a while. Most career criminals are eventually caught and brought down.   

Most likely scenario.  Just reading his social media posts you can literally see his BP taking off like a rocket.    

[illuminati]

What concerns me most is that historically Trump, even when guilty as sin, has gotten away with a flagrant disregard for the law. I am set in my ways when it comes to the importance of being law abiding and paying the price when you violate the law.

If Trump is innocent of the crimes he was charged with today, he will get off. Unfortunately, if he is guilty of these crimes, it is likely he will still go scot-free, avoid the consequences because of who he is, or he will tie up the court system for so long, he will expire before he can be appropriately punished.

Many people get away with occasionally breaking the law for a while. Most career criminals are eventually caught and brought down.   

Bill / Killary/ O'Bummer/ Paedo Joe & The others mentioned in Someparts post should they also be arrested & charged
As from that list there certainly appears to be much wrong doing / criminal behaviour ??

[Primemuscle]

Bill / Killary/ O'Bummer/ Paedo Joe & The others mentioned in Someparts post should they also be arrested & charged
As from that list there certainly appears to be much wrong doing / criminal behaviour ??

Public opinion doesn't get folks convicted, their breaking the law does, eventually.

[LurkerNoMore]

Public opinion doesn't get folks convicted, their breaking the law does, eventually.

And certainly not the opinions of foreign liars who can't even participate in US politics.

[illuminati]

Public opinion doesn't get folks convicted, their breaking the law does, eventually.

Did none of them Break the Law ??

[chaos]

Here's a list you won't see on MSNBC/CNN, etc.

So much for equal treatment under the law.



    1) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by destroying federally subpoenaed emails and devices in order to hide evidence.

    2) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by sending classified government communications on her own, through an unsecured home-brewed server.

    3) Trump did not violate federal law, as did Hillary Clinton, by hiring—through three paywalls—a foreign national, who is prohibited from working on presidential campaigns, to compile a dossier to smear her presidential opponent.

    4) Trump did not violate federal campaign laws, as did Hillary Clinton, by hiding her payments (as “legal services”) to Christopher Steele through bookkeeping deceptions.

    5) Trump did not, as did Bill Clinton, use a crony to search out a high-paying New York job for a paramour in order to influence her testimony before a special counsel.

    6) Trump did not, as did Bill Clinton, receive a $500,000 “honorarium” for speaking in Moscow while his wife, our secretary of state, approved a longstanding and lucrative desire of the Kremlin for North American uranium to be sold to a Russian consortium.

    7) Trump did not, as did Barack Obama, promise Vladimir Putin that he would be “flexible” on “missile defense” if during his own reelection bid Putin in return would give him “space”. That quid pro quo arrangement led to the U.S. abandonment of key joint missile defense systems with Poland and the Czech Republic, and, reciprocally, less than two years later a Russia invasion, mostly unopposed by the United States, of eastern Ukraine and the Crimea.

    Trump did not boast publicly, as did Joe Biden, that he used U.S. foreign aid monies as leverage to have the Ukrainian government fire a prosecutor who may have been looking into the Biden family’s efforts to sell influence to corrupt Ukrainian interests.

    9) Trump did not, as the Bidens did, set up a family consortium to leverage monies from Ukraine, Russia, and China, on their shared expectations that he might soon run for and be elected president and become compromised. Trump is not mentioned, as is Joe Biden, in family business communications as a recipient of a 10 percent commission on such payoffs.

    10) Trump did not, unlike Joe Biden, remove presidential papers—without any authority to declassify them—and leave them scattered and unsecured in a garage and various residences and offices.

    11) Trump did not, as did the FBI, wipe clean subpoenaed mobile phone records.

    12) Trump did not, as did interim FBI head Andrew McCabe, admittedly lie under oath on four occasions to federal investigators.

    13) Trump did not, as did CIA Director John Brennan, admittedly lie on two occasions while under oath to the U.S. Congress.

    14) Trump did not, as did Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, admittedly lie on one occasion to the U.S. Congress.

    15) Trump did not, as did James Comey, claim amnesia or ignorance 245 times while under oath before the U.S. Congress.

    16) Trump did not, as did FBI Director James Comey, summarize a confidential private conversation with a president and then deliberately leak that classified memo to the media for his own agenda of appointing a special counsel to investigate the president—which turned out to be his friend Robert Mueller.

    17) Trump did not, as did Robert Mueller, claim ignorance while under oath when asked about the Steele dossier and Fusion GPS, the catalysts for Mueller’s own investigation.

    18) Trump did not, as did private citizen and former secretary of state John Kerry, meet clandestinely while out of office with Iranian officials to help them resist  current U.S. policy toward Iran—or what the Boston Globe characterized as “unusual shadow diplomacy” to “apply pressure on the Trump administration from the outside.”

    19) Trump did not, as did the FBI and CIA, pay clandestine money to Twitter to monitor and smother news stories deemed unhelpful to their agendas.

    20) Trump did not, as did then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, whip up a mob at the doors of the Supreme Court by threatening two sitting justices by name to intimidate them concerning an impending judicial ruling: “I want to tell you Gorsuch, I want to tell you Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you.” In subsequent months, mobs of protestors swarmed the private homes of these two named justices to influence their decisions, a federal crime that was ignored by Attorney General Merrick Garland, but not by a self-confessed, potential assassin of Justice Brett Kavanaugh who later turned up in the neighborhood.


https://amgreatness.com/2023/04/02/indict-one-and-all/

Democrats will ignore this and keep crying about Trump.

One thing Trump did do which you conveniently neglected to mention was get arrested and arraigned with 34 counts/charges against him.

See?

[deadz]

The Don will have the last laugh!

[LurkerNoMore]

Democrats will ignore this and keep crying about Trump.
See?

In case you haven't noticed :

1.  This thread is about Trumpy.
2.  The indictment is about Trumpy.
3.  This is another instance of your daily TDfS display that you will conveniently forget and pretend never happened when you ask for an example. 

[Dos Equis]

I was waiting to read the indictment before commenting on it.  Now that I've read it, I'm just shocked at how piss poor this thing is.  It's one transaction that they turned into 34 because the legal fees were paid over time.  And the most glaring problem is there is no underlying crime identified in the indictment.  I listened to portions of Bragg's press conference and he was specifically asked why the indictment does not identify the underlying crime.  He responded by saying New York law doesn't require it, then refused to identify any specific underlying crime.  This is Kafkaesque.

Read the full Trump indictment charging him with 34 felony counts
BY CAITLIN YILEK
UPDATED ON: APRIL 4, 2023
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictment-34-felony-counts-charges-new-york-read/

[Primemuscle]

Did none of them Break the Law ??

Where did I say that? What I said was public opinion doesn't determine someone's guilt or innocence the legal system does.

[Primemuscle]

Democrats will ignore this and keep crying about Trump.
See?

What crying? My comment is a statement of fact. Your list of possible past crimes by various other people is an opinion statement which could be interpreted as 'crying'. The fact is none of them were indicted, arrested, or charged.

Talk about 'crying', Trump's primetime pity fest broadcast last night from Mar-A-Lago was about as pitiful as it gets. I might have cried had I not been so busy laughing during his entire 21-minute whiny diatribe. 

[LurkerNoMore]

What crying? My comment is a statement of fact. Your list of possible past crimes by various other people is an opinion statement which could be interpreted as 'crying'. The fact is none of them were indicted, arrested, or charged.

Talk about 'crying', Trump's primetime pity fest broadcast last night from Mar-A-Lago was about as pitiful as it gets. I might have cried had I not been so busy laughing during his entire 21-minute whiny diatribe.

^^  TRUTH BOMB!!

[Coach is Back!]

This is backfiring better than I had hoped lol

[Primemuscle]

This is backfiring better than I had hoped lol

What are the details regarding a backfire? Isn't predicting the outcome of this case a little premature considering the next court date is not until December 4th and may well be pushed out further than that.

On another note. If Judge Juan Merchan didn't hate Trump before, he probably does now after Trump's insinuations put the judge's family in jeopardy.
 

[LurkerNoMore]

This is backfiring better than I had hoped lol

Why does the exact opposite always seem to occur when you make predictions like this?

[LurkerNoMore]

What are the details regarding a backfire? Isn't predicting the outcome of this case a little premature considering the next court date is not until December 4th and may well be pushed out further than that.

On another note. If Judge Juan Merchan didn't hate Trump before, he probably does now after Trump's insinuations put the judge's family in jeopardy.

Don't worry, I am sure he will be back with some Tik Tok videos (that he didn't even watch or understand) as his "proof".

[Primemuscle]

Why does the exact opposite always seem to occur when you make predictions like this?

Excellent point. Maybe we should be encouraging Coach's predictions because he seems to have some bad karma going on... or his crystal ball is broken.

[Dos Equis]

What are the details regarding a backfire? Isn't predicting the outcome of this case a little premature considering the next court date is not until December 4th and may well be pushed out further than that.

On another note. If Judge Juan Merchan didn't hate Trump before, he probably does now after Trump's insinuations put the judge's family in jeopardy.

The purpose of this indictment is to try and prevent Trump from being reelected.  So far, his donations have skyrocketed, he has dramatically increased his lead in the polls over DeSantis, and is now leading Biden in one head-to-head poll.  So from that standpoint, it is backfiring. 

Plus, when people actually start paying attention to how pathetically weak this thing is, they will understand how nakedly partisan this is.  Banana Republic stuff. 

[Primemuscle]

The purpose of this indictment is to try and prevent Trump from being reelected.  So far, his donations have skyrocketed, he has dramatically increased his lead in the polls over DeSantis, and is now leading Biden in one head-to-head poll.  So from that standpoint, it is backfiring. 

Plus, when people actually start paying attention to how pathetically weak this thing is, they will understand how nakedly partisan this is.  Banana Republic stuff.

I still say it is way too soon to know what the outcome will be in 2024. People tend to be sympathetic when the chips are down for someone. Even I felt a tiny bit bad for Trump when seeing the couple of still photos of him in the courtroom where he did not look well at all, but not bad enough to send him money... so there is that.

Yeah, even some of the folks on CNN thought the indictment was 'weak'. From what I read today, folks who know much more about the law than I do seem to have mixed opinions about the case. To be honest, I've not read the entire indictment, just the summaries. Clearly, I am no expert which I why I am not going to make any predictions about the end result. Of course, I will still share my opinions whether folks here want to read them or not. 

In my opinion, Trump did himself no favors with his address from Mar-A-Lago last night. I don't think I fully realized how ‘singsong’ his speaking style is. I think it is very annoying but then I am not one of his fans, as we all know.

Where did I very recently hear the Banana Republic comparison? Seems like it is right out of Trump’s playbook.

[Dos Equis]

I still say it is way too soon to know what the outcome will be in 2024. People tend to be sympathetic when the chips are down for someone. Even I felt a tiny bit bad for Trump when seeing the couple of still photos of him in the courtroom where he did not look well at all, but not bad enough to send him money... so there is that.

Yeah, even some of the folks on CNN thought the indictment was 'weak'. From what I read today, folks who know much more about the law than I do seem to have mixed opinions about the case. To be honest, I've not read the entire indictment, just the summaries. Clearly, I am no expert which I why I am not going to make any predictions about the end result. Of course, I will still share my opinions whether folks here want to read them or not. 

In my opinion, Trump did himself no favors with his address from Mar-A-Lago last night. I don't think I fully realized how ‘singsong’ his speaking style is. I think it is very annoying but then I am not one of his fans, as we all know.

Where did I very recently hear the Banana Republic comparison? Seems like it is right out of Trump’s playbook.

I don't know if Trump referred to this as Banana Republic stuff, because I did not listen to his speech, but if he said it, he is spot on. 

Anyone who cares to educate themselves about this and uses a little common sense can understand how ridiculous and dangerous this is.

I have no idea what will happen in 2024, but I do believe this will help Trump.  It's already helping him.  And I would rather see DeSantis get the nomination. 

[LurkerNoMore]

The purpose of this indictment is to try and prevent Trump from being reelected.  So far, his donations have skyrocketed, he has dramatically increased his lead in the polls over DeSantis, and is now leading Biden in one head-to-head poll.  So from that standpoint, it is backfiring. 

Plus, when people actually start paying attention to how pathetically weak this thing is, they will understand how nakedly partisan this is.  Banana Republic stuff.

Pretty sure the purpose of the indictment is because of a crime occurring.  A misdemeanor charge or conviction for Trumpy will not affecting him running. 

Increasing his lead in the polls over DeSantis?   DeSantis isn't even running.     It's not hard to be #1 in polls when the 2 or 3 people running against you are flotsam. 

[LurkerNoMore]

I still say it is way too soon to know what the outcome will be in 2024. People tend to be sympathetic when the chips are down for someone. Even I felt a tiny bit bad for Trump when seeing the couple of still photos of him in the courtroom where he did not look well at all, but not bad enough to send him money... so there is that.

Yeah, even some of the folks on CNN thought the indictment was 'weak'. From what I read today, folks who know much more about the law than I do seem to have mixed opinions about the case. To be honest, I've not read the entire indictment, just the summaries. Clearly, I am no expert which I why I am not going to make any predictions about the end result. Of course, I will still share my opinions whether folks here want to read them or not. 

In my opinion, Trump did himself no favors with his address from Mar-A-Lago last night. I don't think I fully realized how ‘singsong’ his speaking style is. I think it is very annoying but then I am not one of his fans, as we all know.

Where did I very recently hear the Banana Republic comparison? Seems like it is right out of Trump’s playbook.

You mean like having supporters riot and protest the outcome of an election?  Or trying to sway state electors to commit election fraud for his benefit?  Or attempting to screw the people out of their votes by running multiple lawsuits through the courts to invalidate the election results?  Yeah... that sounds like Banana Republic.

[Dos Equis]

Pretty sure the purpose of the indictment is because of a crime occurring.  A misdemeanor charge or conviction for Trumpy will not affecting him running. 

Increasing his lead in the polls over DeSantis?   DeSantis isn't even running.     It's not hard to be #1 in polls when the 2 or 3 people running against you are flotsam.

O Really?  Did you read the indictment?  If you did, you know that it does not identify an underlying crime. 

I don't know if DeSantis is running, but I don't see a scenario where he beats Trump.  And Trump is not only number 1 in the polls, he is increasing his lead after the indictment, because people like him and understand what a garbage political prosecution this is. 

[LurkerNoMore]

O Really?  Did you read the indictment?  If you did, you know that it does not identify an underlying crime. 

I don't know if DeSantis is running, but I don't see a scenario where he beats Trump.  And Trump is not only number 1 in the polls, he is increasing his lead after the indictment, because people like him and understand what a garbage political prosecution this is.

You know who else Trump is increasing his lead in the polls over?  Joe Blow down the street.  I mean, he hasn't officially declared he is running, but he is losing support.  This is the same scenario comparing DeSantis to any polls at this point. 

[Primemuscle]

I don't know if Trump referred to this as Banana Republic stuff, because I did not listen to his speech, but if he said it, he is spot on. 

Anyone who cares to educate themselves about this and uses a little common sense can understand how ridiculous and dangerous this is.

I have no idea what will happen in 2024, but I do believe this will help Trump.  It's already helping him.  And I would rather see DeSantis get the nomination.

You just answered my question. Thanks. For a moment, I thought you'd had a change of heart.

I am curious as to why you did not listen to Trump's speech. In case you decide to watch it, here is some ways to do that. If you do tune it in, I'd be very interested to get your 'take' on it. It is only 21 minutes of your time.

'You've got a few options to watch Trump's post-arraignment speech, and lucky for you, they're free. Catch Trump's remarks on the PBS News YouTube Channel or LiveNOW FOX YouTube Channel, both of which are offering livestreams starting at 8:15 p.m. ET tonight.'