Author Topic: Flat vs Incline (Read 4712 times)

irishdave · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:02:51 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on July 14, 2023, 03:00:26 PM

That's why machine dips are the best chest exercise especially if you're bending slightly at the waist--the pushing down movement is by far the best contraction for chest.

If we’re talking chest only dips and decline best but powerhouse look comes from incline. Makes you look fierce

joswift · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:05:40 PM »

Quote from: irishdave on July 14, 2023, 02:59:07 PM

Flat bench is better for isolating pecs and I agree with you that decline is best.
But practicality and overall for delts/pecs/tris overall powerful look comes from inclines

I don’t agree that we wouldn’t push overhead in the wild. We developed better shoulders through throwing spears/rocks and we would have thrown overhead quite frequently

and we would have had to lean right back to do that

Come on, imagine doing it , we throw straight or incline or down
Not a lot of delts involved in throwing a javelin

joswift · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:06:20 PM »

Quote from: irishdave on July 14, 2023, 03:02:51 PM

If we’re talking chest only dips and decline best but powerhouse look comes from incline. Makes you look fierce

you are getting mixed up with Tribal Tattoos.

SF1900 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:09:53 PM »

Quote from: irishdave on July 14, 2023, 03:02:51 PM

If we’re talking chest only dips and decline best but powerhouse look comes from incline. Makes you look fierce

I guess the incline gets the top part of the chest but wherever I do incline, I don't feel like I'm working chest at much. Feels like I'm missing something. Then again, my chest is horrible so I'm not one to talk.

Gym Rat · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:17:22 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on July 14, 2023, 03:09:53 PM

I guess the incline gets the top part of the chest but wherever I do incline, I don't feel like I'm working chest at much. Feels like I'm missing something. Then again, my chest is horrible so I'm not one to talk.

If I do them, I put it on a very marginal incline, like the first setting.
If higher, it feels more like a front-delt exercise..

irishdave · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:34:47 PM »

Quote from: joswift on July 14, 2023, 03:05:40 PM

and we would have had to lean right back to do that

Come on, imagine doing it , we throw straight or incline or down
Not a lot of delts involved in throwing a javelin

It’s something I’ve been thinking about more lately it’s a coincidence this thread popped up
Because I just went back free bar benching for the first time in a long time maybe 2 years and was telling a guy I’m training I was considering implementing declines for the first time.

Especially with my pec tear I should probably be doing more decline and dips to isolate it more as it hasn’t been really improving.

Always open to other theories

irishdave · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:39:09 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on July 14, 2023, 03:09:53 PM

I guess the incline gets the top part of the chest but wherever I do incline, I don't feel like I'm working chest at much. Feels like I'm missing something. Then again, my chest is horrible so I'm not one to talk.

Jo has me thinking now though. I don’t think decline will help delts as much but my delts are not my weak point it’s my chest as I’ve a tear.

Incline gave me good width though

SF1900 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Gym Rat on July 14, 2023, 03:17:22 PM

If I do them, I put it on a very marginal incline, like the first setting.
If higher, it feels more like a front-delt exercise..

Yes a modest incline seems best.

SF1900 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:42:12 PM »

Quote from: irishdave on July 14, 2023, 03:39:09 PM

Jo has me thinking now though. I don’t think decline will help delts as much but my delts are not my weak point it’s my chest as I’ve a tear.

Incline gave me good width though

My shoulders definitely over power my chest and it's been an ongoing battle that has never been rectified.

irishdave · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:43:58 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on July 14, 2023, 03:42:12 PM

My shoulders definitely over power my chest and it's been an ongoing battle that has never been rectified.

I’m the same I’m gonna change it up now to dips and decline I remember a time I did dips with bw+50kg for reps and my chest was way better. The tear put me off all of that but it’s good now

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #35 on:** July 14, 2023, 03:47:22 PM »

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oldtimer1 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2023, 05:36:22 PM »

Quote from: JackTheRipper on July 14, 2023, 02:00:00 PM

I'm not saying Doug Brignole was wrong, he was a smart guy but very radical at times.
He was of course selling his book & other stuff.
His leg training is interesting

He was against incline pec presses in his later years but if you look at his pec through the years his muscle mass in his upper pec definitely dissipated because of that. He did sing the praises of the decline just like Yates.

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #37 on:** July 14, 2023, 06:55:00 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on July 14, 2023, 05:36:22 PM

He was against incline pec presses in his later years but if you look at his pec through the years his muscle mass in his upper pec definitely dissipated because of that. He did sing the praises of the decline just like Yates.

Even in his younger years, Doug’s chest was always lagging in thickness and in his case is just poor genetics. He would make up for it with his conditioning and posing to take away from his lack of thickness and ability to hide a weak bodypart. Zane did the same thing

JackTheRipper · « **Reply #38 on:** July 15, 2023, 01:52:19 AM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on July 14, 2023, 05:36:22 PM

He was against incline pec presses in his later years but if you look at his pec through the years his muscle mass in his upper pec definitely dissipated because of that. He did sing the praises of the decline just like Yates.

He was against anything old school & anything that wasn't going to help sales of his E-book which as far as I know was never published as a real hard cover book.
If you look in most gyms the flat bench is still the most popular amongst hard core trainers.
I train now primarily at home but when I was in the gym I hardly ever saw anyone use the decline bench, dip machines or free dips yes.
Lying head down is just not a good feeling for most people.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #39 on:** July 15, 2023, 01:58:36 AM »

Declines and dips.

JackTheRipper · « **Reply #40 on:** July 15, 2023, 02:04:31 AM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on July 15, 2023, 01:58:36 AM

Declines and dips.

What about decline flyes?
Never see anyone do these.

joswift · « **Reply #41 on:** July 15, 2023, 02:11:23 AM »

Quote from: JackTheRipper on July 15, 2023, 01:52:19 AM

He was against anything old school & anything that wasn't going to help sales of his E-book which as far as I know was never published as a real hard cover book.
If you look in most gyms the flat bench is still the most popular amongst hard core trainers.
I train now primarily at home but when I was in the gym I hardly ever saw anyone use the decline bench, dip machines or free dips yes.
Lying head down is just not a good feeling for most people.

Eric Weinstien suggests using people with Autism to study physics and science, its because they think outside the box and are more likely to conquer gravity and space travel rather than someone with a standard education.

JackTheRipper · « **Reply #42 on:** July 15, 2023, 02:37:32 AM »

Quote from: joswift on July 15, 2023, 02:11:23 AM

Eric Weinstien suggests using people with Autism to study physics and science, its because they think outside the box and are more likely to conquer gravity and space travel rather than someone with a standard education.

Probably have poor chest development like Doug did too.