Why do oil users...

[Van_Bilderass]

On the subject of oils and kidneys toxicity…. yes the kidneys filter out the oils as they  are absorbed into the body for elimination.  BUT…!!!….  have you seen these guys that stopped piling their arms and such?  Years later the arms are still misshapen hideous blobs.   It seems like after a while either the body stops absorbing the oil or the kidneys stop filtering it.   Look at guys like Flex who now seems like the muscle is “normal”.  Those dumb ass Brazilians (which seem to be the vast number) never return of a state of normalcy.

MCT oil is out fast, faster than the more common steroid oils. The misshapen muscle you see is massive scar tissue buildup.

The Brazilians use ADE-oil. I can see massively toxic levels of fat soluble vitamins. Yes, vitamins can be dangerous. I haven't looked into it but this stuff does appear to linger around. I bet some use this for "BBLs"

There are no studies of illegal bodybuilding drug use and kidney failure. No scientist cares about this subculture. Where there is smoke there is fire. It's empirical knowledge we know of the pros with kidney failure in bodybuilding that is happening more an more. Yes, factually the kidneys are the organ filtering out the oil. Tired of the hearing it's genetics. Nope, steroid drugs raise blood pressure and injecting oil leaves the body through the kidneys. That's not healthy for the kidneys.

Seems to me you do not understand physiology. I don't rule out kidney impact, what I'm saying is I've not heard a good mechanism for that effect. So the oil leaves the injection depot and goes into the bloodstream, yes? What would be the difference compared to someone who eat a lot of coconut oil (aka MCT oil aka Synthol)? Does coconut oil damage the kidneys? If not, why not? There are putative mechanistic explanations why androgen can be directly kidney toxic.

We do know high BP damages the kidneys, we know many drugs damge the kidneys, like ibuprofen. Do we know coconut oil damage the kidneys? We do not.

Vet ADE injection. The FDA says 2000iu a day is safe.... some non-doctor experts say 10.000iu is,probably safe since that is about what the body can make through sun exposure. A bottle of this shit is 1 MILLION units and those freaks use lots of bottles and it stores in your body.

[LurkerNoMore]

What about Valentino?  The OG of all this deformity.   There is no way all that can be scar tissue.

[Van_Bilderass]

What about Valentino?  The OG of all this deformity.   There is no way all that can be scar tissue.

Yeah it was not Synthol, I can't imagine that. Is he still alive? He could tell the whole story but probably won't, too embarassing now to go back on what he said, that it was all steroid injections. It would even be cool to see his arms NOW. It can't be steroid oils. Back maybe 20 years ago people were scratching their heads, a few individuals sitting at the top of the bodybuilding culture said they must be implants. But then why would they not be symmetrical? Someone reading this KNOWS but why aren't they telling? I bet on some south american substance, don't know when the ADE craze began. Many know what that Russian kid injected in his arms but I didn't "research" it.

Here's what is possible with a popular brand of SEO. This thread takes course over several years and now he says he hasn't injected his arms in a couple of years. "It's not going away because it's scar tissue" I believe he said.

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/luki-offseason-blow-up-arms-at-3-with-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/

[Van_Bilderass]

Many know what that Russian kid injected in his arms but I didn't "research" it.

Quick google:

"Tereshin posts videos of himself on social media and in one of them explained how he started inflating his arms in the first place. He said: "First of all I began to inject vegetable oil, I boiled it in a saucepan and then injected five millilitres every day."

"On TV, Tereshin explained that he “bulked up” his arms using a homemade mixture of olive oil, benzyl alcohol, and lidocaine. He says he pumped six liters (1.6 gallons) of the concoction into his arms." 

"Kirill Tereshin, known as Ruki Bazuki on social media, was said to have injected around three litres of petroleum jelly into his arms, which caused him severe issues and could have been life-threatening."

Google says petroleum jelly is another name for Vaseline. I don't know if he himself admitted the vaseline.

Surgeon Dmitry Melnikov of Sechenov Moscow State Medical University, who performed Tereshin’s first operation, said he still had about 75 percent more of the Vaseline-like implant to extract, which should take at least three more surgeries.

Petroleum jelly “saturates the muscles,” said the surgeon, so the lump taken from Tereshin’s arm was actually a mass of “scar tissue with fragments of muscles.” Melnikov estimated that Tereshin had injected over 100 ounces (about 3 liters) into each arm.

“It saturated the muscle tissues, blocked blood flow,” said Melnikov. “As a result, the tissue dies and gets replaced with a scar which is as tough as a tree.” The doctor added that synthol oil could have wreaked havoc all over, his “kidneys in particular,” but that the patient was “lucky” that the rest of his body was spared

Melnikov said body modifications such as Tereshin’s are not uncommon. “We have seen petroleum jelly injected into breasts, buttocks and other parts of the female body,” he said. “We are warning that it is extremely dangerous.”   

Now this mentions Synthol and kidney damage but petroleum jelly isn't Synthol.

[mops]

Many know what that Russian kid injected in his arms but I didn't "research" it.

He explained it was a homemade preparation and refused to disclose it's composition and method of preparation.

He confessed that he had injected around 6 liters into his arms.

The extreme pressure caused by the oil build-up ( or whatever it turned into afterwards ) caused major blood vessel and nerve compression. His arms are very weak and dont react at all to deep tendon reflex tests ( the thing with the hammer.)

The impaired blood circulation in his arms also caused trophic skin lesions.
You can clearly see where it starts on the picture below



A phenomenon of "vacuolization" has also been reported ; small oil cysts spread randomly in the muscle tissue.

[Van_Bilderass]

He explained it was a homemade preparation and refused to disclose it's composition and method of preparation.

He confessed that he had injected around 6 liters into his arms.

The extreme pressure caused by the oil build-up ( or whatever it turned into afterwards ) caused major blood vessel and nerve compression. His arms are very weak and dont react at all to deep tendon reflex tests ( the thing with the hammer.)

The impaired blood circulation in his arms also caused trophic skin lesions.
You can clearly see where it starts on the picture below



A phenomenon of "vacuolization" has also been reported ; small oil cysts spread randomly in the muscle tissue.

My preliminary conclusion: he started by cooking up olive oil with benzyl alcohol. The he went to Vaseline. If his surgeon said it was vaseline then it's most likely true. But these kinds of complications is why I think Rich Piana would have run into very serious problems had he lived. You have to cut the whole muscle off, there's no way to just remove the offending substance itself.

[mops]

My preliminary conclusion: he started by cooking up olive oil with benzyl alcohol. The he went to Vaseline. If his surgeon said it was vaseline then it's most likely true. But these kinds of complications is why I think Rich Piana would have run into very serious problems had he lived. You have to cut the whole muscle off, there's no way to just remove the offending substance itself.

Im not sure. The word 'vaseline' in Russian sounds more like a random technical term a surgeon would use in a patient case presentation.

EDIT : I recall him saying he preferred mineral oils because the body couldn't absorb them. Said he tried pinning vegetable oils but the added size would dissipate after 2 weeks. So yes, it could indeed be liquid paraffin mixed with lidocaine and benzyl alcohol.

I saw no histopathology reports but his left tricep surgery was highly publicized.

! WARNING ! Graphic photos below !























































The surgeon succesfully removed 95% of the damaged muscle tissue ( tricep.) The remaining 5% were too critical in terms of nerve location.

That mass weighs about 3,3 pounds.

He did say that the most challenging part of the intervention was the complete absence of any anatomical landmarks in the tricep muscle. The specialist was virtually unable to identifiy any segments.

Would love to hear a surgeon's opinion on the shape, color and possibly texture of this specimen.

[joswift]

Would love to hear a surgeon's opinion on the shape, color and possibly texture of this specimen.

I expect his professional and personal opinions vary wildly

[Gym Rat]

Gregg seems to be doing something still, arms look big... (Pic from 3 weeks ago)..

[IroNat]

MCT oil is out fast, faster than the more common steroid oils. The misshapen muscle you see is massive scar tissue buildup.

The Brazilians use ADE-oil. I can see massively toxic levels of fat soluble vitamins. Yes, vitamins can be dangerous. I haven't looked into it but this stuff does appear to linger around. I bet some use this for "BBLs"

Seems to me you do not understand physiology. I don't rule out kidney impact, what I'm saying is I've not heard a good mechanism for that effect. So the oil leaves the injection depot and goes into the bloodstream, yes? What would be the difference compared to someone who eat a lot of coconut oil (aka MCT oil aka Synthol)? Does coconut oil damage the kidneys? If not, why not? There are putative mechanistic explanations why androgen can be directly kidney toxic.

We do know high BP damages the kidneys, we know many drugs damge the kidneys, like ibuprofen. Do we know coconut oil damage the kidneys? We do not.

Vet ADE injection. The FDA says 2000iu a day is safe.... some non-doctor experts say 10.000iu is,probably safe since that is about what the body can make through sun exposure. A bottle of this shit is 1 MILLION units and those freaks use lots of bottles and it stores in your body.

When you eat coconut oil it goes through the digestive system.  It's a food.

Not comparable to injecting oil in your arm.

[Kwon]

[Humble Narcissist]

Gregg seems to be doing something still, arms look big... (Pic from 3 weeks ago)..

I can't believe he's still alive. I'd love to see Pellechia and him train together.

[Van_Bilderass]

When you eat coconut oil it goes through the digestive system.  It's a food.

Not comparable to injecting oil in your arm.

Come on bro, it goes from the digestive track to where? It goes from the site of injection to where? The same place, circulation, the bloodstream. If it's the amount we're talking, look at the thread I posted, he lists the schedule. As the saying goes, the dose determines the toxin. It's like the people who ask me, aren't tablets bad for your kidneys? A tablet isn't dangerous in itself, it could be compressed food, let's say liver pills some bodybuilders still use. So which kind of tablet is it?

Look, I'm not a doctor, there might be something I'm missing. But tell me what it is. Some theorize that the preservatives (benzyl alcohol) or the painkiller (lidocaine) could be toxic at certain amounts, further some Synthol oils contain some substances to make it stay in the depot longer, I think silica is one.

Keto dieters go nuts for MCT oil (badically Synthol hehe) as I'm sure you've seen.

I'm ready to learn but I'm not convinced with the arguments so far.

[Van_Bilderass]

Im not sure. The word 'vaseline' in Russian sounds more like a random technical term a surgeon would use in a patient case presentation.

EDIT : I recall him saying he preferred mineral oils because the body couldn't absorb them. Said he tried pinning vegetable oils but the added size would dissipate after 2 weeks. So yes, it could indeed be liquid paraffin mixed with lidocaine and benzyl alcohol.

I saw no histopathology reports but his left tricep surgery was highly publicized.

! WARNING ! Graphic photos below !

Thanks for posting, you seem to know your shit. Do you have any opinion on the organ toxicity of MCT when injected?

[GymnJuice]

Come on bro, it goes from the digestive track to where? It goes from the site of injection to where? The same place, circulation, the bloodstream. If it's the amount we're talking, look at the thread I posted, he lists the schedule. As the saying goes, the dose determines the toxin. It's like the people who ask me, aren't tablets bad for your kidneys? A tablet isn't dangerous in itself, it could be compressed food, let's say liver pills some bodybuilders still use. So which kind of tablet is it?

Look, I'm not a doctor, there might be something I'm missing. But tell me what it is. Some theorize that the preservatives (benzyl alcohol) or the painkiller (lidocaine) could be toxic at certain amounts, further some Synthol oils contain some substances to make it stay in the depot longer, I think silica is one.

Keto dieters go nuts for MCT oil (badically Synthol hehe) as I'm sure you've seen.

I'm ready to learn but I'm not convinced with the arguments so far.

I assume it affects the lymphatic system when injected.

[mops]

Thanks for posting, you seem to know your shit. Do you have any opinion on the organ toxicity of MCT when injected?

I dont know about MCTs.

For the most part, "synthol" products ( if that what we are still talking about) usually contain unsaturated long chain fatty acids (from C11 to C20) otherwise they would be solid at room temperarure. Once injected, the body is unable to absorb them which leads in the formation of granulomas (basically a amalgamation of white blood cells stuck in a matrix of fibrosed tissues.)

Histopathology reports of said granulomas reveal the presence of "foamy macrophages" which are unable to complete oil phagocytosis. The sites turn into perpetual targets for different types of white blood cell, sending the organism into hyperdrive, inflammation-wise. The immune system takes a heavy toll, organs are not far behind.

According to oncologists, this practice greatly increases the chances of developing cancer.

[LurkerNoMore]

Yeah it was not Synthol, I can't imagine that. Is he still alive? He could tell the whole story but probably won't, too embarassing now to go back on what he said, that it was all steroid injections. It would even be cool to see his arms NOW. It can't be steroid oils. Back maybe 20 years ago people were scratching their heads, a few individuals sitting at the top of the bodybuilding culture said they must be implants. But then why would they not be symmetrical? Someone reading this KNOWS but why aren't they telling? I bet on some south american substance, don't know when the ADE craze began. Many know what that Russian kid injected in his arms but I didn't "research" it.

Here's what is possible with a popular brand of SEO. This thread takes course over several years and now he says he hasn't injected his arms in a couple of years. "It's not going away because it's scar tissue" I believe he said.

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/luki-offseason-blow-up-arms-at-3-with-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/

I did not read the entire thread.  Just first page.  But clicked his IG link.

Not sure what to think.  He's a mess with multiple oil sites.  The Quads look awful.  The comments on this post were not very complimentary either.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfMZkZXjzak/

[joswift]

I did not read the entire thread.  Just first page.  But clicked his IG link.

Not sure what to think.  He's a mess with multiple oil sites.  The Quads look awful.  The comments on this post were not very complimentary either.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfMZkZXjzak/

is that the same guy who slapped a judge?

[Kwon]

Was a great slap imo

The Ref just fell

[illuminati]

is that the same guy who slapped a judge?

Was he unhappy/ upset over something??
🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[IroNat]

Come on bro, it goes from the digestive track to where? It goes from the site of injection to where? The same place, circulation, the bloodstream. If it's the amount we're talking, look at the thread I posted, he lists the schedule. As the saying goes, the dose determines the toxin. It's like the people who ask me, aren't tablets bad for your kidneys? A tablet isn't dangerous in itself, it could be compressed food, let's say liver pills some bodybuilders still use. So which kind of tablet is it?

Look, I'm not a doctor, there might be something I'm missing. But tell me what it is. Some theorize that the preservatives (benzyl alcohol) or the painkiller (lidocaine) could be toxic at certain amounts, further some Synthol oils contain some substances to make it stay in the depot longer, I think silica is one.

Keto dieters go nuts for MCT oil (badically Synthol hehe) as I'm sure you've seen.

I'm ready to learn but I'm not convinced with the arguments so far.

Not the same at all.  Do you understand the human body?

Eating coconut oil and injecting oil into your muscle is totally different.

[joswift]

Not the same at all.  Do you understand the human body?

Eating coconut oil and injecting oil into your muscle is totally different.

Correct, injecting coconut oil doesnt give you the shits....

[IroNat]

Correct, injecting coconut oil doesnt give you the shits....

Exactly.

[AbrahamG]

I can't believe he's still alive. I'd love to see Pellechia and him train together.

I'd love to see Pellechia fed into a wood chipper. 

[Humble Narcissist]

I'd love to see Pellechia fed into a wood chipper.

Why is that?