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Netflix. Ordinary men
« on: September 14, 2023, 01:02:47 PM »
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81672035

I have mentioned the book in the past about how ordinary people can end up doing terrible things.

I have also mentioned Carl Jungs "Shadow". these things are explained here

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2023, 04:20:56 PM »

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2023, 04:52:14 AM »
Ordinary men comitted and still commit atrocities worldwide, but by some magic reason, only nazis did them. The Jews must be the forever victims. The chosen ones are more human than other races.

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2023, 04:57:02 AM »
Only just signed up to Netflix last month (I know I'm late to the game) and noticed that. It's definitely on my list. Much better quality docs than Now TV has, for sure.

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2023, 05:06:50 AM »
Ordinary men comitted and still commit atrocities worldwide, but by some magic reason, only nazis did them. The Jews must be the forever victims. The chosen ones are more human than other races.

people who look at the Nazis at Aushwitz and say "I could never do something like that" are the most dangerous people of all.

To be good you must first understand about the levels of evil and depravity you are capeable of.

It takes courage to sit down and try and put yourself in the place of a camp guard and imagine yourself doing the things they did and accepting that you yourself under the right/wrong circumstances you would have done exactly the same thing.

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2023, 08:19:34 AM »
Ordinary men comitted and still commit atrocities worldwide, but by some magic reason, only nazis did them. The Jews must be the forever victims. The chosen ones are more human than other races.

They’re good at it. They instigate all sorts of shit and the moment anyone retaliates they become the victim.  It’s to the point now that you cannot say anything negative about Jews no matter what atrocities they do and if you do comment , they Shane you by forcing you to publicly apologize.   

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2023, 08:27:38 AM »
They’re good at it. They instigate all sorts of shit and the moment anyone retaliates they become the victim.  It’s to the point now that you cannot say anything negative about Jews no matter what atrocities they do and if you do comment , they Shane you by forcing you to publicly apologize.   
oh vey,,,

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2023, 06:34:02 PM »
people who look at the Nazis at Aushwitz and say "I could never do something like that" are the most dangerous people of all.

To be good you must first understand about the levels of evil and depravity you are capeable of.

It takes courage to sit down and try and put yourself in the place of a camp guard and imagine yourself doing the things they did and accepting that you yourself under the right/wrong circumstances you would have done exactly the same thing.

Again with the Nazis at Auschwitz.

All my life people have told me I'll go along with the herd, as if it's a moral failing to do so, and then when I don't they're confused and upset with me and unwilling to have a rational discussion.

It's not a big mystery. People just respond to immediate incentives. It doesn't mean they're secretly evil. They're just short term emotional thinkers who like profit and pleasure and dislike privation and pain. They'll gladly pay you Thursday for a hamburger today, no matter how usurious your interest on the burgerloan. The quality of the peasantry which sees it live hand to mouth in a state of perpetual hock is the same as that which sees the herd mortgage itself and its children into servitude in exchange for a comparatively meaningless, but immediate, benefit or reprieve from discomfort.

In that sense, although you could say they've been victimized by predators, the masses are getting precisely what they choose. It's fair to ask why people should be spared from their own inability to make good choices, as if some benevolent authority is obligated to swoop in, save shortsighted idiots from themselves, and deliver unto them everything a bunch of useless idiots could dream of, while they invest nothing to get it and sacrifice nothing for it.

Say a whole bunch of people end up living in foilhat dystopia. 15 minute vegans etc. It's bad and they're oppressed. You could call it evil. But kinda, if they took every step that led them there, they deserve it and you could call it justice, no?

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2023, 07:01:03 PM »
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81672035

I have mentioned the book in the past about how ordinary people can end up doing terrible things.

I have also mentioned Carl Jungs "Shadow". these things are explained here

I will watch it. But reading the post it ties in with a book about policing called "The corruption of the Noble cause" in a nutshell it is about seemingly good cops who violate the law for the "good of the people".

Rampart in L.A. was staffed with the best of the best cops, directed to catch the bad guys. They didn't start off lying, cheating,. planting evidence but it slowly evolved into that unchecked. They rationalized that it was for the good of the people. It wasn't, and never is. But I suspect the german soldiers experienced a similar thing

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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2023, 01:01:41 AM »
Again with the Nazis at Auschwitz.

All my life people have told me I'll go along with the herd, as if it's a moral failing to do so, and then when I don't they're confused and upset with me and unwilling to have a rational discussion.

It's not a big mystery. People just respond to immediate incentives. It doesn't mean they're secretly evil. They're just short term emotional thinkers who like profit and pleasure and dislike privation and pain. They'll gladly pay you Thursday for a hamburger today, no matter how usurious your interest on the burgerloan. The quality of the peasantry which sees it live hand to mouth in a state of perpetual hock is the same as that which sees the herd mortgage itself and its children into servitude in exchange for a comparatively meaningless, but immediate, benefit or reprieve from discomfort.

In that sense, although you could say they've been victimized by predators, the masses are getting precisely what they choose. It's fair to ask why people should be spared from their own inability to make good choices, as if some benevolent authority is obligated to swoop in, save shortsighted idiots from themselves, and deliver unto them everything a bunch of useless idiots could dream of, while they invest nothing to get it and sacrifice nothing for it.

Say a whole bunch of people end up living in foilhat dystopia. 15 minute vegans etc. It's bad and they're oppressed. You could call it evil. But kinda, if they took every step that led them there, they deserve it and you could call it justice, no?

Do you believe that circumstances couldnt lead you to committing acts of atrocities?

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2023, 01:24:09 AM »
They’re good at it. They instigate all sorts of shit and the moment anyone retaliates they become the victim.  It’s to the point now that you cannot say anything negative about Jews no matter what atrocities they do and if you do comment , they Shane you by forcing you to publicly apologize.   
Never apologize!

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2023, 07:03:08 AM »
Do you believe that circumstances couldnt lead you to committing acts of atrocities?

You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.

Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?

I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.

If that isn't his point then it ought to be.

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2023, 07:07:57 AM »
You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.

Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?

I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.

If that isn't his point then it ought to be.
Dude ignore him he´s a trolling prick
he likes to think he´s so smart but the reality is he sits at home taking his meds & has a fucked back ´cause he was a dumbass

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2023, 07:19:42 AM »
To be fair, minus the meds, back, and home thing, you could be describing me.

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2023, 07:28:47 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2023, 07:42:41 AM »
Any explanation as to the cause of this species wide amnesia?

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2023, 08:30:05 AM »
Geez. Dude repackages the comedia del arte as archetypes and whacks together a few L. Ron Hubbardesque quotes and everyone's packing their bags for Jonestown.

Guy never saw a 5 aisle supermarket until he was like 80. He's gonna plumb the complexities of our modern condition?

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2023, 08:47:07 AM »
You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.

Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?

I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.

If that isn't his point then it ought to be.

The purpose is for each and every person to acknowledge that deep down in their psyche there is a demon just waiting for the right corcumstances to surface.

No exceptions.

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2023, 08:54:56 AM »
The part that I find funny is how perfectly logical it is to be evil.

The left tries to act as if Nazis were just irrational wackos, incompetent idiots etc.

I mean they were incompetent on some level, but you can get to similar conclusions with pure logic.

We're animals it is survival of the fittest. The reality is it's totally irrational to be a good person. It's what most of us want so it works, but it's not like you need some radical conversion to be evil.












Did anyone just get a virus from that link, my computar just crashed, I never click on shit, just really tired.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2023, 08:56:24 AM »
The part that I find funny is how perfectly logical it is to be evil.

The left tries to act as if Nazis were just irrational wackos, incompetent idiots etc.

I mean they were incompetent on some level, but you can get to similar conclusions with pure logic.

We're animals it is survival of the fittest. The reality is it's totally irrational to be a good person. It's what most of us want so it works, but it's not like you need some radical conversion to be evil.












Did anyone just get a virus from that link, my computar just crashed, I never click on shit, just really tired.

Its straight off Netflix link, sorry about that pal

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2023, 09:05:19 AM »

Yeah it's all good realized I left mastercam running overnight. Too tired for this shit.

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2023, 09:06:16 AM »
Yeah it's all good realized I left mastercam running overnight. Too tired for this shit.

I have no idea what mastercam is but each to his own brother....

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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2023, 10:23:30 AM »
The purpose is for each and every person to acknowledge that deep down in their psyche there is a demon just waiting for the right corcumstances to surface.

No exceptions.

I really doubt he's prescribing helplessness when greeted by the little diablo on your shoulder tho.

I like a lot of his stuff. Maybe a touch overbearing with his guests, and "Oh just take the damn shot" wasn't his finest hour, but I admire his brass balls in taking a stand on compelled speech a few years ago, especially since he hadn't established an internet presence and his livelihood was truly on the line.

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2023, 10:32:11 AM »
You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.

Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?

I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.

If that isn't his point then it ought to be.

Or ones inability to tell the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter

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Re: Netflix. Ordinary men
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2023, 10:52:18 AM »
Or ones inability to tell the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter
there isnt a difference.