TRT in the US ?

[AbrahamG]

Good you can tolerate clomid Abe, many cannot, it makes them an emotional wreck, etc..

It's not clomid but rather enclomiphene which means it doesn't have the estrogenic isomer zuclomiphene.  Which is probably why I don't have those side effects.  Although in my past experience of running traditional clomid for PCT purposes I didn't get the emotional issues that so many do.  I also never ran it for more than 4-6 weeks.  I'm going to see what happens going every other day for a while and see if my numbers hold.  The less I have to take the better. 

[sync pulse]

They said it is bad for men to be on testosterone past the age of 60 because the negatives start to add to add up.

It's like when Top Gear would buy very used sports cars and try to drive them hard.

[Rambone]

Who’s “they”?

[LurkerNoMore]

Good you can tolerate clomid Abe, many cannot, it makes them an emotional wreck, etc..

Enclomiphene is simply clomid with the zuclomiphene removed from it.  That is what causes the mood swings. 
They just simply isolated the enclomiphene isomer.

[LurkerNoMore]

Forgive me for hijacking this thread.  I've been using enclomiphene since the beginning of the year.  I've been using it all by itself at 12.5mg's daily.

I started with an abysmal test score of 150ng's
4 months later I was at 487ng's
4 months later and I am at 669ng's

Every other marker on the hormone panel is within range.  LH and FSH are right in the middle of normal and estradiol is at 24.  I'm quite happy.  My bp last reading was 106/70.  All time low.

The broader point is that lots of clinics are now using enclomiphene in place of hcg or gonadorelin.  Typically only 2 doses per week.

You are getting about 88mg weekly broken down on a daily basis.  I wonder if people are actually seeing results only taking 25mg twice a week.

[IroNat]

Who’s “they”?

The Ubiquitous They.

https://theubiquitousthey.com/

[Gym Rat]

It's not clomid but rather enclomiphene which means it doesn't have the estrogenic isomer zuclomiphene.  Which is probably why I don't have those side effects.  Although in my past experience of running traditional clomid for PCT purposes I didn't get the emotional issues that so many do.  I also never ran it for more than 4-6 weeks.  I'm going to see what happens going every other day for a while and see if my numbers hold.  The less I have to take the better.

Thx man for the clarification...

[Rambone]

The Ubiquitous They.

https://theubiquitousthey.com/

[BigRo]

They said it is bad for men to be on testosterone past the age of 60 because the negatives start to add to add up.

It's like when Top Gear would buy very used sports cars and try to drive them hard.

What about the negatives of having no testosterone/low testosterone...

[Gym Rat]

What about the negatives of having no testosterone/low testosterone...

Ive read that is much worse... Good and bad probably come with any medical decision.
IF a person shows no ill-effects from legit Rx TRT and bloods, I see no issues with it.
BP meds and other stuff they push on others is much worse for you. The TRT studies were always done on fat/lazy gen-pop.
Not on folks who are into fitness...

[sync pulse]

Who’s “they”?

The TRT doctors I have had conversations with...

Happy Days

[deadz]

They said it is bad for men to be on testosterone past the age of 60 because the negatives start to add to add up.

It's like when Top Gear would buy very used sports cars and try to drive them hard.

Then YOU should listen to your "doctor" I'm 100% certain your "doctor" has your best interest in mind.

[wes]

Then YOU should listen to your "doctor" I'm 100% certain your "doctor" has your best interest in mind.

Shit I`m 68,and feel like I`m 25.....my dick gets  hard if the wind blows.

[joswift]

They said it is bad for men to be on testosterone past the age of 60 because the negatives start to add to add up.

It's like when Top Gear would buy very used sports cars and try to drive them hard.

How long do you want to live after 60 FFS
im 60 in 18 months its pretty much all downhill from here on in

Dont drink , smoke or take drugs as they knock years off your life

Yes, but only the fucking last ones which are by far the worst

I dont want immigrants dragging me out of bed in a fucking care home when Im 80

[deadz]

Shit I`m 68,and feel like I`m 25.....my dick gets  hard if the wind blows.

You’re post just made Primehomo hard.

[IroNat]

That's Them.

[hipolito mejia]

They said it is bad for men to be on testosterone past the age of 60 because the negatives start to add to add up.

It's like when Top Gear would buy very used sports cars and try to drive them hard.

On the other hand “they”say  TRT it’s actually good on your liver , specifically fatty liver….

[BigRo]

How long do you want to live after 60 FFS
im 60 in 18 months its pretty much all downhill from here on in

Dont drink , smoke or take drugs as they knock years off your life

Yes, but only the fucking last ones which are by far the worst

I dont want immigrants dragging me out of bed in a fucking care home when Im 80

Smoking maybe but a little red wine has been shown to have anti aging effects and drugs is a big umbrella.

[wes]

You’re post just made Primehomo hard.

[wes]

Everybody says they don`t want to get old,but age is a state of mind........if you don`t mind,it don`t matter.

I mean if I`m doddering around pissing my pants please kill me, but they`ll have to pry a barbell from my cold dead hands.

[joswift]

Smoking maybe but a little red wine has been shown to have anti aging effects and drugs is a big umbrella.

said the egg man to the walrus. 

[wes]

said the egg man to the walrus. 

Koo Koo Kachoo 

[The Keto Kid]

Got my labs back today, my doctor orders labs every 6 months and at my request if want labs done any time, anyway since going carnivore the last labs prior were in the 1200 range, this is the current test. I've been with this doctor for 3 years now, all my prior labs I was in the 900-1000 range, only thing I changed is my diet. Oh and this was taken 4 days post any injection, you want to try to get an accurate result and if you pin too close to testing day you're results will be off.

[IroNat]

Got my labs back today, my doctor orders labs every 6 months and at my request if want labs done any time, anyway since going carnivore the last labs prior were in the 1200 range, this is the current test. I've been with this doctor for 3 years now, all my prior labs I was in the 900-1000 range, only thing I changed is my diet. Oh and this was taken 4 days post any injection, you want to try to get an accurate result and if you pin too close to testing day you're results will be off.

What is your point?

You're on drugs and your levels reflect it.

Test levels fluctuate widely over the course of a day.

[Rambone]

What is your point?

Relax.