are there any natural supps that mimic molly?

[LurkerNoMore]

I’m not sure, but I think they’re the same, but I did ecstasy about 10 times when I was 19 and it burned me out and I never did it again. That’s been about 23 years or so now, maybe it’s different now it if it works the same I’d imagine it’s still a serotonin drain.

So basically it is a long extended crash afterwards (mentally)?   

Isn’t this what Cormier was supposed to be abusing while he competed?   He was known for partying year around and rolling off his ass.  Wonder how he managed to train. 

[LurkerNoMore]

There are some wild stories about people getting hooked on phenibut.

The kind sold on the net as a nootropic?

[Van_Bilderass]

Also read F phenibut requires about 1/4th the dose of regular phenibut.  I have F-phenibut but haven't opened it.

Waiting for a time when I need a pick me up.

Yeah it can surprise you when off-guard. I was falling asleep at inopportune times, like in public transport. Still have 20 grams. It's highly advisable to use a milligram scale to dose to get as exact as possible.

[Van_Bilderass]

So basically it is a long extended crash afterwards (mentally)?   

Isn’t this what Cormier was supposed to be abusing while he competed?   He was known for partying year around and rolling off his ass.  Wonder how he managed to train.

I think it was popular all across the pro circuit and all the ones who partied at the NY sound factory, like Dorian. I don't know but I doubt Cormier used it specifically every day, there
are a lot of other drugs to mix it up. Titus of course was caugt with a few thousand pills when he lived with Ameen, both their fingerprints were on a package of pills. I read that as an amateur at a show Titus cut a line of coke in front of people he didn't know, "this is what I do." Dorian was said to have been hooked on Nubain like most of the rest but that is rumors, I don't know if he commented on it himself. Before bodybuilders started to use it on the advice of Duchaine it was seen as a non-addictive narcotic, I remember seeing a study following 4000 people and only one or two developed dependency. But that's in clinical practise, hospital use.

The kind sold on the net as a nootropic?

Yes. There are rehab centers specializing in phenibut. Much faster dependency than benzos.

[Van_Bilderass]

Ill say this, almost all women will responded to you if you're supremely confident in your approach. Fuck I felt like I couldn't miss. I felt like I could go to the race track and win at a hundred to 1. And your interest/curiousity in other people. I felt i could work my way into a womans pants just looking at her.

Haha I recognize that feeling and it's not necessarily all imagination. You can appear
sober to other people too at the same time.

[dj181]

Haha I recognize that feeling and it's not necessarily all imagination. You can appear
sober to other people too at the same time.

ima ask my docs to script me phenibut

we will see....

[dj181]

by the by

i've dropped sust down to 300 mgs

and next order ima get primo

so i will run 200 mgs primo 100 mgs sust

ima done trying to get bigger my main focus is collecting fwb

[Van_Bilderass]

ima ask my docs to script me phenibut

we will see....

I don't know if it's an Rx drug in Poland. Pregabalin aka Lyrica is very similar.

[dj181]

I don't know if it's an Rx drug in Poland. Pregabalin aka Lyrica is very similar.

im not in poland

[Van_Bilderass]

im not in poland

Where then? Unless you want to keep it a secret.

[dj181]

Where then? Unless you want to keep it a secret.

on this site only a select few know... a jewish fella, a black dude, and an asian in sweden, at least i think he's asian maybe he really is a blue-eyed blondie 

[Lartinos]

Yeah. Dependency builds up rapudly. I use it sometimes twice a week. Other times ill go months with out using it. When i first started using it I had no idea what i was in for. I was taking 2 and 3 X dosage what most people were taking and i used it daily for 2 months straight.

Those 2 months were blissful. I never had so much confidence and my workouts were insane and i slept like a baby and music & sex were the best experiences of my life. Then the over confidence led to a problem in my life and I had to quit it and it fucking sucked. Worst depression ever.

Eventually I got sorted out. Occasionally I still take it for sleep but nothing like those first few months. That was fucking wild.

Ill say this, almost all women will responded to you if you're supremely confident in your approach. Fuck I felt like I couldn't miss. I felt like I could go to the race track and win at a hundred to 1. And your interest/curiousity in other people. I felt i could work my way into a womans pants just looking at her. I later found out most people take 2 or 300 mgs a day. Some take 700 mgs a day(a whopping dose) I was easily taking anywhete from 1500 to 2100 mgs daily. I was lit but I crashed pretty fucking hard.

Ya, like I said it isn’t a good drug IMO.
Tolerance builds too rapidly and the next day if you are truly aware you will realize you just stole some calm and happiness from the day before.

As a one-and-done it could make sense for someone, but that doesn’t make sense for almost anyone and I question the long term effects on health.

It wasn’t common to hear people say to take it twice a week.
Because it is a known addictive drug it is foolish for the average to think this is appropriate.

[dj181]

if the doc scripts me pheni i'm gonna run it just once or twice a week MAX

[Deacon Jeschin]

That's me

I'm not in my heel role here

Maybe you had better turn face and stop taking so much shit. Especially in an overtrained, calorically deprived body.  Trying to get big, get leaner, think better/clearer, it's too much....

Let the anti psychotic meds kick in and stop going in 100 different directions at once.  You're going to mix the wrong chemicals in your undernourished body and you won't wake up one morning.   

[Lartinos]

The kind sold on the net as a nootropic?

Yes, you can search Google for Reddit stories.
You can also search and find them on Nootropic groups on FB.
The stories can be pretty wild..

[beakdoctor]

Yeah it can surprise you when off-guard. I was falling asleep at inopportune times, like in public transport. Still have 20 grams. It's highly advisable to use a milligram scale to dose to get as exact as possible.

Thanks for the advice.

How much would you use per dose?

[dj181]

Maybe you had better turn face and stop taking so much shit. Especially in an overtrained, calorically deprived body.  Trying to get big, get leaner, think better/clearer, it's too much....

Let the anti psychotic meds kick in and stop going in 100 different directions at once.  You're going to mix the wrong chemicals in your undernourished body and you won't wake up one morning.   

i will be 5% in 3 weeks MAX

once i'm 5% i will eat at maintance

i'm done playing the get bigger route now my focus is on being incredibly aerobically fit, so i will be doing plenty of cardio so i will need more cals to stay at maintance once i'l siting @ 5

and i still train everyday but just once a day, is this still overtraining?

[CalvinH]

So basically it is a long extended crash afterwards (mentally)?   

Isn’t this what Cormier was supposed to be abusing while he competed?   He was known for partying year around and rolling off his ass.  Wonder how he managed to train.

And physically. When you come off the next day is usually hell. All you want to do is sleep but your you can't. You want to eat but looking at food and it looks terrible.


...Fun times!

[Van_Bilderass]

Thanks for the advice.

How much would you use per dose?

I was eyballing it so it could have been anything from 200 to 600mg and I was stupidly stacking it with regular phenibut for a while too. It was just too much, put me in a type of dream state that was scary.

There's a dosage chart here:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/F-Phenibut

[Deacon Jeschin]

i will be 5% in 3 weeks MAX

once i'm 5% i will eat at maintance

i'm done playing the get bigger route now my focus is on being incredibly aerobically fit, so i will be doing plenty of cardio so i will need more cals to stay at maintance once i'l siting @ 5

and i still train everyday but just once a day, is this still overtraining?

Your training is ok I guess.  Lots of aerobic high intensity but if that’s your goal, go for it. 
My point was to lay off most of the chemicals so you don’t end up dead.  Your body will tell you if you’re overtraining…..provided your mind is clear enough to understand.

More bike time and less “lab research” time

[dj181]

Your training is ok I guess.  Lots of aerobic high intensity but if that’s your goal, go for it. 
My point was to lay off most of the chemicals so you don’t end up dead.  Your body will tell you if you’re overtraining…..provided your mind is clear enough to understand.

More bike time and less “lab research” time

only on 300 mgs sust

once i run out if the sust

i will run only 300 mgs total of sust and primo

not sure 150/150

or 100 sust 200 primo

or 200 primo 100 sust

discussing this with 3 peeps at the moment

[Taffin]

I don't know if it's an Rx drug in Poland. Pregabalin aka Lyrica is very similar.

Never tried Lyrica, although I can get it and most other things like the range of benzos - all pharma stuff

I liked Tramadol, but Xanax didn't touch me for some reason - ever tried Nitrazepam/Mogadon?  Pretty old-school product!

Full disclosure - I'm a bit of a pussy, so I only ever get a couple of tablets or strips of things from my friend in case I like anything too much!

[Deacon Jeschin]

only on 300 mgs sust

once i run out if the sust

i will run only 300 mgs total of sust and primo

not sure 150/150

or 100 sust 200 primo

or 200 primo 100 sust

discussing this with 3 peeps at the moment

Ok....I don't think steroids are an issue.  It's the other mental health and rec drugs you talk about that could land you in trouble.

Good luck with everything...........

[Van_Bilderass]

Never tried Lyrica, although I can get it and most other things like the range of benzos - all pharma stuff

I liked Tramadol, but Xanax didn't touch me for some reason - ever tried Nitrazepam/Mogadon?  Pretty old-school product!

Full disclosure - I'm a bit of a pussy, so I only ever get a couple of tablets or strips of things from my friend in case I like anything too much!

I never tried that product. Haven't tried Lyrica either but from what I've read it's similar to phenibut. I hear it's available occasionally from those who sell the weed, tramadol, Xanax etc.

I don't know if there are people who don't respond to Xanax (the "crack" of benzos). Decades ago I think I took it a few times where I didn't notice it but nowadays I do, and it's pretty obvious I've taken something too. Slower speech, stumbling in the street. Sometimes they are a lifesavers but often they are nightmarish, heavy users often feel whole years have disappeared from memory. It's pretty curious how some drugs don't appear to work at first, like with weed. I didn't feel anything the first time but after that I was floored by how potent it was. I don't know the reasons, many swear it WILL work from the first time "if you do it right, properly inhale" or whatever but I didn't do anything wrong my first time, quite a few hits too. It's common to read about the non-responders who don't feel it the first time. Maybe your brain first has to develop more of the target receptors in the brain?

[Taffin]

I never tried that product. Haven't tried Lyrica either but from what I've read it's similar to phenibut. I hear it's available occasionally from those who sell the weed, tramadol, Xanax etc.

I don't know if there are people who don't respond to Xanax (the "crack" of benzos). Decades ago I think I took it a few times where I didn't notice it but nowadays I do, and it's pretty obvious I've taken something too. Slower speech, stumbling in the street. Sometimes they are a lifesavers but often they are nightmarish, heavy users often feel whole years have disappeared from memory. It's pretty curious how some drugs don't appear to work at first, like with weed. I didn't feel anything the first time but after that I was floored by how potent it was. I don't know the reasons, many swear it WILL work from the first time "if you do it right, properly inhale" or whatever but I didn't do anything wrong my first time, quite a few hits too. It's common to read about the non-responders who don't feel it the first time. Maybe your brain first has to develop more of the target receptors in the brain?

Thanks for the advices.  Probably won't try to develop my Xanax receptors though 

I think my next little experiment might be to try to source some of those gummies or edibles that Rob and others mention instead - getting a bit old to fuck about with pills - however occasional

That said, although I love the US I'm glad those things like Oxy's and Perc's aren't a thing over here!!!