To anyone thinking the Ukraine ever had a chance in hell of "winning"

[Goliathon]

Ok. How many American boys ought to die and how many dollars should be ripped from US taxpayers to defend Japan, Taiwan, and Korea?'

Defending Japan/Taiwan/Korea is saving America billions or Trillions.

Unlike Ukraine that's a part of the world that actually matters.

How about none, and America returns to kicking ass in industry and innovation which would make it...great again.

America relies on East Asia to kick ass, all of our industry and innovation is hard wired into East Asian supply chains.

[illuminati]

BigRo displaying Hankins level delusional issues when it comes to the Ukraine,

The nuclear weapons Ukraine has were soviet weapons, meaning they were Russian. Their industries were soviet built, if you industrialised a country for 50 60 years would you not feel a sense of ownership, they would have been fine if they didn't overthrow the government in 2013 then declare they would not respect Ukraine position as neutral meaning even after losing Crimea as a warning, they still wanted to put missiles facing Russia there.

I think Ro is influenced to some degree by his Ukrainian girlfriend
which is understandable -
Also Ro has a great sense of fairness - which I think is slightly
clouded by all the Russia is Bad & only Russia is Bad propaganda.

USA & NATO have to have a Big Bad Bear they can blame anything
& everything on - Never admitting to the fact they're as Bad if not
worse at Times when it suits their interests. 

[Goliathon]

I think Ro is influenced to some degree by his Ukrainian girlfriend
which is understandable -

I get it, I have actual Ukrainian friends, some of my favorite people on this Earth.

Their blockhead stupidty on this topic was obvious to me 10 years ago.

I saw the stupid in both directions, Ukies thinking Putin was a harmless good guy, and inversely Ukies who had a visceral obvious hatred to anything Russian despite they themselves being fluent in Russian language and culture.

Now all of  sudden the Ukie nationalist who hated their Russian speaking countrymen are suppose to get a free pass?

I have nothing but love for my squared headed friends. But god dam is that stuff insufferable.

You see the same crap with French Canadians/in my family. Everything is a tin foil hat'd conspiracy against their culture. They'll hate on Anglo Canadians threaten to leave Canada 15 times before diner. Then they'll turn around and point fingers at Anglo Canadians for not allying up against America "our common cultural enemy".

People are dying in huge volumes for absolutely no reason, beyond just stupid pointless nationalism and this delusional hope that the Eurozone is gonna rush in and save them. It's a crazy convoluted mindset. The EU is gonna instigate some post war martial plan, the martial plan only happened because we feared the Russians. If the Russians lose there's logically no reason for a marshall plan.







 

[obsidian]

I think Ro is influenced to some degree by his Ukrainian girlfriend
which is understandable -
Also Ro has a great sense of fairness - which I think is slightly
clouded by all the Russia is Bad & only Russia is Bad propaganda.

USA & NATO have to have a Big Bad Bear they can blame anything
& everything on - Never admitting to the fact they're as Bad if not
worse at Times when it suits their interests.

I agree that Ro means well. He comes across as decent with a sense of fairness as you put it. But he is naïve to what's going on in the world.

The problem for many of us "Whites" in the West is we see Western Governments and media becoming openly anti-White. Look at the Google AI debacle. They programmed that thing to be anti-White. It's also not AI. It's just a complex piece of software and hardware programmed by humans to respond according to their worldview. And their worldview is anti-White. Because of this many Whites want to see the system reset because if it does not it means their ultimate demise.

Now contrast that with Russia and Putin. Here's a leader and country that wants to maintain its traditional values. Compare that with the West - actively replacing their native populations via forced mass immigration. Rewriting their history to abdicate the White race and its achievements. The West is coming apart at the seams. The leaders are inept and puppets. Put Biden next to Putin and what do you see? Putin is so far elevated above Biden it's not even funny! Just watch the man's interviews and speeches. Russia is lucky to have a leader like him.

[dj181]

poland talking bout attacking mother russia

what stupid fucking idiots

[dj181]

i would fucking love to murder the globilist elites

blast a fucking cap in their brains

or even better tourture them for months on end and watch with joy and glee the fear and pain in thiers

6:00-6:35

and if i could get away with it i would murder some of you fucking shits here on this site and i'd do it with JOY

[BigRo]

Why are the other members who care about Ukraine so silent in this thread? Why should I have to carry all the burden of attack? Anyone who is not on your side you call delusional, naive etc it's a leftist tactic. Colon Mc Gregor a clear source of info? Come on.

[GymnJuice]

Why are the other members who care about Ukraine so silent in this thread? Why should I have to carry all the burden of attack? Anyone who is not on your side you call delusional, naive etc it's a leftist tactic. Colon Mc Gregor a clear source of info? Come on.

It isn't that people don't care about Ukraine. It is that people don't care about Ukraine any more than they care about other countries in the world where there are invasions and unjust leaders. If I had to say who is in the right and who is in the wrong, I'd say Ukraine is more in the right because they should have their own freedoms and independence and shouldn't be invaded (not to say that Putin wasn't provoked by NATO expansion or that corrupt politicians aren't embezzling money being sent). But I don't want to spend tax money or send soldiers there.

While recognizing their plight I don't see how the average American benefits from what we're doing there.

[BigRo]

It isn't that people don't care about Ukraine. It is that people don't care about Ukraine any more than they care about other countries in the world where there are invasions and unjust leaders. If I had to say who is in the right and who is in the wrong, I'd say Ukraine is more in the right because they should have their own freedoms and independence and shouldn't be invaded (not to say that Putin wasn't provoked by NATO expansion or that corrupt politicians aren't embezzling money being sent). But I don't want to spend tax money or send soldiers there.

While recognizing their plight I don't see how the average American benefits from what we're doing there.

That may be your position which is reasonable but I don't understand the admiration for Putin who treats his citizens as fodder meat, nor the view that Ukraine should just surrender to his ambitions. This is the biggest war in Europe since world war 2.

[Gym Rat]

That may be your position which is reasonable but I don't understand the admiration for Putin who treats his citizens as fodder meat, nor the view that Ukraine should just surrender to his ambitions. This is the biggest war in Europe since world war 2.

Most Americans (I think) are tired of the Shitter admin sending billions of tax dollars to Uke while our homeless vets starve, etc.
Plus our border nightmare. We have our own battles here at home...

People are just fed up I think. I feel for all the innocent folks on both sides of that mess.
But arguing about it isn't going to help anything... JOO.S.A is doomed...

[dj181]

Most Americans (I think) are tired of the Shitter admin sending billions of tax dollars to Uke while our homeless vets starve, etc.
Plus our border nightmare. We have our own battles here at home...

People are just fed up I think. I feel for all the innocent folks on both sides of that mess.
But arguing about it isn't going to help anything... JOO.S.A is doomed...

yep

and i feel for both russians and ukrainians as i have lived in both countries

i fucking hate the joo sa for causing all of this

they are the reason russia moved into ukraine

[BigRo]

Most Americans (I think) are tired of the Shitter admin sending billions of tax dollars to Uke while our homeless vets starve, etc.
Plus our border nightmare. We have our own battles here at home...

People are just fed up I think. I feel for all the innocent folks on both sides of that mess.
But arguing about it isn't going to help anything... JOO.S.A is doomed...

Does Mike Johnson represent the majority of sentiment in the States? Nato boots may be on the ground yet.

[BigRo]

yep

and i feel for both russians and ukrainians as i have lived in both countries

i fucking hate the joo sa for causing all of this

they are the reason russia moved into ukraine

You should be banned for your Jew hatred.

[Gym Rat]

Does Mike Johnson represent the majority of sentiment in the States? Nato boots may be on the ground yet.

I'm unsure who Mike Johnson is...

[joswift]

You should be banned for your Jew hatred.

his bullshit seems to go unpunished..
Hes been jew hating since he started posting again

[BigRo]

I'm unsure who Mike Johnson is...

Republican representative who is blocking the Ukraine aid bill.

[illuminati]

That may be your position which is reasonable but I don't understand the admiration for Putin who treats his citizens as fodder meat, nor the view that Ukraine should just surrender to his ambitions. This is the biggest war in Europe since world war 2.

Come on Ro all Governments when it comes to war will treat its
soldiers & citizens as fodder meat -Look back at WW1 & WW2
& many since - I get you don't like Russia / Putin only it's
Clouding your Perspective. He's No Better or worse than any other's.

Is Zelensky a Fucking Saint ? Swanning off around the Globe trying
To Ponce more £ off any nation daft enough to give it him.
And his wife abroad shopping for expensive items while their contries
men are dying.
He's Renting out one of his expensive properties to a Russian.

Yeah He Really cares about his Own Folk   NOT.

[BigRo]

Come on Ro all Governments when it comes to war will treat its
soldiers & citizens as fodder meat -Look back at WW1 & WW2
& many since - I get you don't like Russia / Putin only it's
Clouding your Perspective. He's No Better or worse than any other's.

Is Zelensky a Fucking Saint ? Swanning off around the Globe trying
To Ponce more £ off any nation daft enough to give it him.
And his wife abroad shopping for expensive items while their contries
men are dying.
He's Renting out one of his expensive properties to a Russian.

Yeah He Really cares about his Own Folk   NOT.

Post proof he is renting out his expensive properties to Russians? I am not propping him up. Ukraine has its fair share of corruption. However the way in which they fight and sacrifice soldiers is very different to the way Russia treats its men. They have to fight smart because there is less of them and they tend to their wounded and collect bodies whereas Russia leaves men to die and rot.  Nothing is clouding my perspective, I changed my mind about Russia and came down on the side of Ukraine half a year before meeting my girlfriend.

[Goliathon]

That may be your position which is reasonable but I don't understand the admiration for Putin who treats his citizens as fodder meat,

There's a difference between liking and agreeing with someone morally and respecting someone for their competence. I hate socialist, doesn't mean there aren't a bunch that are perfectly smart and capable, moral bankruptcy and incompetence do not go hand n hand.

nor the view that Ukraine should just surrender to his ambitions.

Because they can't win, it's only a question of how badly they'll lose.

This is the biggest war in Europe since world war 2.

And it's barely a European war. Ukraine is barely Europe.

[BigRo]

There's a difference between liking and agreeing with someone morally and respecting someone for their competence. I hate socialist, doesn't mean there aren't a bunch that are perfectly smart and capable, moral bankruptcy and incompetence do not go hand n hand.
Because they can't win, it's only a question of how badly they'll lose.


And it's barely a European war. Ukraine is barely Europe.

Well even Armenia is leaning West now so Europe is getting bigger and Russia could just get along with its neighbours instead of being so paranoid. The West is too wrapped up in this war to let Russia loose.

[Goliathon]

Well even Armenia is leaning West now so Europe is getting bigger and Russia could just get along with its neighbours instead of being so paranoid. The West is too wrapped up in this war to let Russia loose.

Timbuktu could lean west, it doesn't make it European. European isn't a choice, it's not a subjective identity.

Congo has more relevance to Europe as they at least have a young population, of partially trainables. 

This idea that Europe wants to spread east into demographic dead ends is a joke. The EU expanded east because the Germans wanted into central Europe. It's of no benefit to France etc.

If Europe is gonna expand it'll be into Africa, as they have large piles of natural resource and young people.

[BigRo]

Timbuktu could lean west, it doesn't make it European. European isn't a choice, it's not a subjective identity.

Well Ukraine does not wish to be a soviet satellite state anymore, not "little Russia" anymore, there is hundreds of years of history here and previous attempts at independence before the USSR.

[Goliathon]

Well Ukraine does not wish to be a soviet satellite state anymore, not "little Russia" anymore, there is hundreds of years of history here and previous attempts at independence before the USSR.

  And I don't want Canada to be the 51st state, but geography makes America our master.

[illuminati]

Post proof he is renting out his expensive properties to Russians? I am not propping him up. Ukraine has its fair share of corruption. However the way in which they fight and sacrifice soldiers is very different to the way Russia treats its men. They have to fight smart because there is less of them and they tend to their wounded and collect bodies whereas Russia leaves men to die and rot.  Nothing is clouding my perspective, I changed my mind about Russia and came down on the side of Ukraine half a year before meeting my girlfriend.

Ro just do a Internet search on Zelensky renting his Italian property out.
Ukraine has it fair share of corruption - Thats putting it very mildly.

As for how each side looks after its wounded I'm not in a position to comment,
I've not kept up with whats happening over there or bothered to speak much to anyone about it.

I'm neutral about Russia & Ukraine
My thoughts are Russia isn't all bad & always the bad one - A lot is Deceitful negative propaganda
It suits NATO & western countries to portray Russia that way.
And Ukraine was used / is used by America & NATO for their own benefits.

[Kwon]

Oak will take it to Putin!