Dangers of Statin Drugs

[Gym Rat]

We blindly follow advice from Govt, FDA, Big Pharma, etc. (I mean, just look at the RONA VaxTardz)...

Remember when "Trans fats good, eat margarine, not butter" and the like. 

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/modern-diseases/dangers-of-statin-drugs-what-you-havent-been-told-about-popular-cholesterol-lowering-medicines/

Remember when “high” cholesterol levels were public enemy number one? Then they found out that high-density cholesterol (HDL-cholesterol) was “good,” so to maintain the fiction that cholesterol is bad, we started hearing about the villainous low-density cholesterol (LDL-cholesterol). Now it turns out that LDL is not a bad guy either. A review headed by Uffe Ravnskov and just published in The BMJ online looked at thirty cohorts with a total of over sixty-eight thousand elderly people. In 92 percent of the participants they found an inverse association between all-cause mortal­ity and LDL. In other words, the higher your LDL, the less likely you were to die. Something to tell your doctor when he pulls out his prescription pad for a statin (bmjopen.bmj. com/content/6/6/e010401).

[oldtimer1]

Statins lead to muscle break down in a low percentage of people taking them. Many say they don't have any problems in that area but the majority of people taking statins don't exercise at all and avoid exertion in any form. My question has always been does the adverse muscle break down effect all?  Just most don't realize it because it's so minimal? If you're an athlete running an lifting is it foolish to take something that can cause muscle break down?

If high cholesterol is so bad why do a percentage of people with clog type heart attacks have low cholesterol? 

Another factor is why are most of the cholesterol studies are sponsored by the statin industry? Conflict of interest? They have lowered the safe cholesterol number so much through the years that most adults should be prescribed statins. I find something wrong with lowering the number to the point a huge percentage of adults should be on them.

Lastly have they proven statins extends life span?  The best study on the side of taking statins is a two year increase. Some show no increase.  Why are we taking a drug for decades when it's not proven to increase life span?

[IroNat]

Big Pharma and Big Food corruption.

Most doctors will still preach the out-of-date mantra of the low fat/high carb diet.

Your average Joe is clueless and follows along.

[Rambone]

The government would rather have you dead instead of collecting social security and using Medicare

[Gym Rat]

Statins lead to muscle break down in a low percentage of people taking them. Many say they don't have any problems in that area but the majority of people taking statins don't exercise at all and avoid exertion in any form. My question has always been does the adverse muscle break down effect all?  Just most don't realize it because it's so minimal? If you're an athlete running an lifting is it foolish to take something that can cause muscle break down?

If high cholesterol is so bad why do a percentage of people with clog type heart attacks have low cholesterol? 

Another factor is why are most of the cholesterol studies are sponsored by the statin industry? Conflict of interest? They have lowered the safe cholesterol number so much through the years that most adults should be prescribed statins. I find something wrong with lowering the number to the point a huge percentage of adults should be on them.

Lastly have they proven statins extends life span?  The best study on the side of taking statins is a two year increase. Some show no increase.  Why are we taking a drug for decades when it's not proven to increase life span?

All good points OT1... Read some studies about the folks with low cholesterol, having the majority of heart attacks.
Cholesterol is important and protective. Of course if you are way out whack with double-digit numbers of Trig's, statins can help.
THough its pretty rare.

Also read studies of those with very high, also having very high test levels, and not great longevity also...
An odd 'fine line'...

IroNat also very correct.. Corruption..

[Wiggs]

Everything you think you know about cholesterol is a lie.
Heart disease is NOT caused by saturated fats. It's caused by chronic inflammation from excess sugar. 

Eat fat. Butter, cream, cheese, milk, meat etc...
Avoid refined sugar and keep carbs low.

The end

[Gym Rat]

Everything you think you know about cholesterol is a lie.
Heart disease is NOT caused by saturated fats. It's caused by chronic inflammation from excess sugar. 

Eat fat. Butter, cream, cheese, milk, meat etc...
Avoid refined sugar and keep carbs low.

The end

Exactly brother Wiggs...  This ^^^

[IroNat]

What about Snickers bars?

[Donny]

Statins lead to muscle break down in a low percentage of people taking them. Many say they don't have any problems in that area but the majority of people taking statins don't exercise at all and avoid exertion in any form. My question has always been does the adverse muscle break down effect all?  Just most don't realize it because it's so minimal? If you're an athlete running an lifting is it foolish to take something that can cause muscle break down?

If high cholesterol is so bad why do a percentage of people with clog type heart attacks have low cholesterol? 

Another factor is why are most of the cholesterol studies are sponsored by the statin industry? Conflict of interest? They have lowered the safe cholesterol number so much through the years that most adults should be prescribed statins. I find something wrong with lowering the number to the point a huge percentage of adults should be on them.

Lastly have they proven statins extends life span?  The best study on the side of taking statins is a two year increase. Some show no increase.  Why are we taking a drug for decades when it's not proven to increase life span?

Statins do have side affects this is true but as to losing muscle i personally have not noticed any changes or weakness.
I was on 40mg a day after my heart attack and now i take 40mg every 2nd day.
I am no expert so just giving my opinions on the subject after having had a heart attack... maybe it makes me an expert 
i suppose it depends on the individuel .
My Cardiologist told me for example that a patient of his had extreme nightmares from statins.
many factors are involved, genetics & lifestyle

[Never1AShow]

Big Pharma and Big Food corruption.

Most doctors will still preach the out-of-date mantra of the low fat/high carb diet.

Your average Joe is clueless and follows along.

If your average doctor is clueless, can you really blame your average Joe?  Surprising so many actually don’t buy it.

[njflex]

Everything you think you know about cholesterol is a lie.
Heart disease is NOT caused by saturated fats. It's caused by chronic inflammation from excess sugar. 

Eat fat. Butter, cream, cheese, milk, meat etc...
Avoid refined sugar and keep carbs low.

The end

THATS HOW THEY LIVED 1950'S AND UNDER EARLY SETTLERS TIMES.. OTHER THAN SMOKING LIKE CHIMNEYS,,,1970'S TO NOW BREAK THROUGHS IN MEDICINE,MEDICATION AND LONGEVITY BUT AT A PRICE...

[Wiggs]

Exactly brother Wiggs...  This ^^^

Thank you for your thread, people need to be reeducated from the lies we grew up with.

This info will seriously save lives if used. Videos from one of my favorites.

[Grape Ape]

Before quoting any studies, you should find out the source and funding of the studies.

[Wiggs]

Before quoting any studies, you should find out the source and funding of the studies.

That's actually how we got in this mess. The sugar industry funding "studies" against fat and preaching it as gospel. Low fat craze comes in and sugar reigns supreme and our health is compromised. 

[Donny]

I would also like to point out that i take & must take for life certain tablets now such as ASS 100 which is basically an aspirin.
It was also recommended that people "older" than say 50 should take 1 aspirin daily.

[wes]

I asked my doctor if I could stop taking my Statin meds and she flipped out and told me no way...I need to stay on them.....fuck that,I`m coming off them this week.

[Grape Ape]

That's actually how we got in this mess. The sugar industry funding "studies" against fat and preaching it as gospel. Low fat craze comes in and sugar reigns supreme and our health is compromised.

Totally agree - the sugar thing has been known for awhile.

As far as the LDL, I have read numerous things, talked to cardiologists, had personal experience and here's all I can say with confidence:

1. Statins do have side effects

2.  They absolutely reduce LDL

3. Whether this is necessary or not is likely based on the individual.  For example, if your LDL is high, and all your other markers are excellent, might not need. But if your LDL is high, and your calc score is bad, should probably get on them.

4.  Most doctors believe that 80% of LDL is out of your control, so they don't seem to care about diet/exercise.


The are some fledgling health initiatives that are bubbling up - they want you to go to the doc when you're sick or have an emergency, but go to them for health management via bloodwork and telemedicine. They give you a doc, a nurtionist, a trainer, mental health, and a hormone optimization specialist.

Seems like the right direction to be going in.

[Donny]

I asked my doctor if I could stop taking my Statin meds and she flipped out and told me no way...I need to stay on them.....fuck that,I`m coming off them this week.

be careful Wes

[Donny]

my opinion is this.. listen to your own body but be very careful if you´ve a history of heart problems.
I didn´t listen & nearly went 6 foot under. Please be careful.
Not all Doctors are idiots.
If you need the Meds take them & please Wes do not just stop taking your Meds without medical supervision.

[GymnJuice]

If high cholesterol is so bad why do a percentage of people with clog type heart attacks have low cholesterol? 

Because it is only one risk factor out of many risk factors. Cholesterol, smoking, family history, diabetes, etc. Those are all risk factors. You could ask the same question for any of the above, like why did this nondiabetic have a heart attack?

Another factor is why are most of the cholesterol studies are sponsored by the statin industry? Conflict of interest? They have lowered the safe cholesterol number so much through the years that most adults should be prescribed statins. I find something wrong with lowering the number to the point a huge percentage of adults should be on them.

Most drugs are like this. It isn't unique to statins. Most of the time the drug companies sponsor the studies. And you are absolutely correct that it is a bias.

Lastly have they proven statins extends life span?  The best study on the side of taking statins is a two year increase. Some show no increase.  Why are we taking a drug for decades when it's not proven to increase life span?

There are other outcome data besides extending lifespan. There are studies showing fewer heart attacks and fewer strokes.

I'm not trying to tell you or anyone else to take a statin. Just answering the questions.

[oldtimer1]

Of course there are multiple risk factors. HDL to LDL ratios, Cardio reactive protein inflammation; calcium scores, triglycerides, sugar levels, blood pressure and visceral fat levels. 

The bottom line is life span.  If you have a study showing a reduction in heart attacks and strokes it better correlate to fewer deaths or I would question it.

[Grape Ape]

I asked my doctor if I could stop taking my Statin meds and she flipped out and told me no way...I need to stay on them.....fuck that,I`m coming off them this week.

Doc: "Why do you want to come off statins?"

wes: "A hebrew gentleman told me they are bad"

Doc: "Oh, a fine Jewish doctor?"

wes: "a black flat earther"

Doc: "take your pills wes, I'll see you in six months"

[Rambone]

Doc: "Why do you want to come off statins?"

wes: "A hebrew gentleman told me they are bad"

Doc: "Oh, a fine Jewish doctor?"

wes: "a black flat earther. You see…the first Hebrews were black and from the planet Nibiru and……”

Doc quickly interjects: "take your pills wes, I'll see you in six months"

Lmao!

Tweaked for accuracy since I was in the room next door

[Wiggs]

Doc: "Why do you want to come off statins?"

wes: "A hebrew gentleman told me they are bad"

Doc: "Oh, a fine Jewish doctor?"

wes: "a black flat earther"

Doc: "take your pills wes, I'll see you in six months"

Lolololol!

[Dokey111]

Everything you think you know about cholesterol is a lie.
Heart disease is NOT caused by saturated fats. It's caused by chronic inflammation from excess sugar. 

Eat fat. Butter, cream, cheese, milk, meat etc...
Avoid refined sugar and keep carbs low.

The end

agree