Chase Irons doing a high test experiment

[dj181]

To see how much test he needs to have a total test level of 20,000

He'll go up to 5 grams of test with 1.4 grams.eq and 700 tren

[Irongrip400]

Why?

[MAXX]

Why?

transparancy ofcourse. it's not been shown so people find it interesting

[bhank]

He has already did like 5g of test and other compounds he maxed out at the same limit everyone else does 3cc a day. The he backed it down because he was tired of daily volume injections. Is he getting anymore benefit from 5g vs 750mg? Probably not much.

He is also blasting HGH. Recently he had dropped his anabolics a lot on favor of more HGH. I believe the reason guys do this is because of how much easier a subcutaneous injection of HGH and water is vs an intramuscular injection of 3cc shot of oil. The proliferation of cheaper hgh has made this strategy appealing to many.

[Van_Bilderass]

He has already did like 5g of test and other compounds he maxed out at the same limit everyone else does 3cc a day. The he backed it down because he was tired of daily volume injections. Is he getting anymore benefit from 5g vs 750mg? Probably not much.

He is also blasting HGH. Recently he had dropped his anabolics a lot on favor of more HGH. I believe the reason guys do this is because of how much easier a subcutaneous injection of HGH and water is vs an intramuscular injection of 3cc shot of oil. The proliferation of cheaper hgh has made this strategy appealing to many.

If someone is going to do 30 or 40iu of GH they are going to max out the gear too in most instances, why waste either on suboptimal stacks

Shooting a lot of oil is a drag but still a minor inconvenience in the big picture imo

I don't follow Chase but he was up to 30 or so IU of GH?

[bhank]

If someone is going to do 30 or 40iu of GH they are going to max out the gear too in most instances, why waste either on suboptimal stacks

Shooting a lot of oil is a drag but still a minor inconvenience in the big picture imo

I don't follow Chase but he was up to 30 or so IU of GH?

Yes he was up there somewhere. Not sure on the suboptimal part but I would rather take 300-500mg test and HGH than a gram or two of Test and no HGH

I have taken higher dosages of anabolic I prefer lower doses with HGH

[irishdave]

He has already did like 5g of test and other compounds he maxed out at the same limit everyone else does 3cc a day. The he backed it down because he was tired of daily volume injections. Is he getting anymore benefit from 5g vs 750mg? Probably not much.

He is also blasting HGH. Recently he had dropped his anabolics a lot on favor of more HGH. I believe the reason guys do this is because of how much easier a subcutaneous injection of HGH and water is vs an intramuscular injection of 3cc shot of oil. The proliferation of cheaper hgh has made this strategy appealing to many.

Hard to believe a mediocre man like you had such experience with drugs

[38 returns]

Yes he was up there somewhere. Not sure on the suboptimal part but I would rather take 300-500mg test and HGH than a gram or two of Test and no HGH

I have taken higher dosages of anabolic I prefer lower doses with HGH

Brian 20 years on gear at 215


shut the fuck up

you aren't needed you big fag

[MajorDomo]

drugs are only the finishing touch

[IroNat]

Bhanky get less out of anabolics than anyone I've ever seen.

He has no genetics for it.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes he was up there somewhere. Not sure on the suboptimal part but I would rather take 300-500mg test and HGH than a gram or two of Test and no HGH

I have taken higher dosages of anabolic I prefer lower doses with HGH

Sure just saying those who try to grow maximally like Chase max out both GH and gear. Then with the GH you want the insulin too, like that Fritz fella or whatever his name is, did some poscasts with Chase too - 5+ grams of gear + 20+ iu of GH + 100+ iu of Lantus + 100+iu of Humalog or Novorapid. That has been the approximate recipe since the days of Nasser etc.

But sure, some gear and higher GH might be "safer" than the reverse, although "high" GH may be problematic too, depending

The reason I think many feel they "get away with" less gear on GH is obvious to me - for many gear mainly brings water, the actual muscle gains can be very modest actually. But GH brings more water too, often almost too much. So you get the same amount of "swole" as with just higher anabolics.

Bhanky get less out of anabolics than anyone I've ever seen.

He has no genetics for it.

I actually don't think bhanks gains over decades from drugs is atypically bad. I've gotten approximately the same amount of muscle gains and I see plenty of juicers who get way less even. People who don't juice are under the mistaken assumption that with time you should get more and more gains with drugs, when in reality if you took 500mg of test for your first cycle that is only enough to maintain approximately what you gained in a few months initially. So if 3 decades later you are on "HRT" of 500mg of test you may not be any bigger than you were 3 decades earlier, often SMALLER actually because now you have age working against you. Like one member here who took tren for 30 years straight was actually happy just to stave off age related sarcopenia, muscle loss.

Long ass "serious" post again as per usual but I feel this is just common sense but many might not put things in context as in bhanks case. Of course I know it's his attitude and perspective is that's actually the problem, not so much what he's getting out of his gear use. As many gave said, posters wouldn't be hostile to him if he was just more humble.

[Humble Narcissist]

drugs are only the finishing touch

Yep, the finishing 95%.

[D.O.A.]

drugs are only the finishing touch

literally! Dead at 30!

[bhank]

Brian 20 years on gear at 215


shut the fuck up

you aren't needed you big fag

You have tits don't talk about weight when you have tits

[bhank]

Bhanky get less out of anabolics than anyone I've ever seen.

He has no genetics for it.

I have some of the best genetics on this board. By all means IronNat tell us about your awesome genetics and how you are in great shape don't show us just be like Wes and tell us we will just take your word for it. Fucking poser

[bhank]

Sure just saying those who try to grow maximally like Chase max out both GH and gear. Then with the GH you want the insulin too, like that Fritz fella or whatever his name is, did some poscasts with Chase too - 5+ grams of gear + 20+ iu of GH + 100+ iu of Lantus + 100+iu of Humalog or Novorapid. That has been the approximate recipe since the days of Nasser etc.

But sure, some gear and higher GH might be "safer" than the reverse, although "high" GH may be problematic too, depending

The reason I think many feel they "get away with" less gear on GH is obvious to me - for many gear mainly brings water, the actual muscle gains can be very modest actually. But GH brings more water too, often almost too much. So you get the same amount of "swole" as with just higher anabolics.

I actually don't think bhanks gains over decades from drugs is atypically bad. I've gotten approximately the same amount of muscle gains and I see plenty of juicers who get way less even. People who don't juice are under the mistaken assumption that with time you should get more and more gains with drugs, when in reality if you took 500mg of test for your first cycle that is only enough to maintain approximately what you gained in a few months initially. So if 3 decades later you are on "HRT" of 500mg of test you may not be any bigger than you were 3 decades earlier, often SMALLER actually because now you have age working against you. Like one member here who took tren for 30 years straight was actually happy just to stave off age related sarcopenia, muscle loss.

Long ass "serious" post again as per usual but I feel this is just common sense but many might not put things in context as in bhanks case. Of course I know it's his attitude and perspective is that's actually the problem, not so much what he's getting out of his gear use. As many gave said, posters wouldn't be hostile to him if he was just more humble.

Chase claimed to be taking 54iu at one point without Insulin. He doesn't take insulin. I have been on HGH now for 6 months without any insulin.

I don't think you need 5g of gear to max out. I have never gotten more response from going over 4cc a week. You just get a more anabolic look but not more size. I do believe your growth is limited by the amount of calories you can digest and time. I do believe you reach full saturation long before 5g more like 1g but with 90% of the benefits at 500mg. 5g just does not do 10x more not even close

The reason 5g is the limit everyone hits is because 7x3=21X250mg= 5.25 grams. Guys take 1 3cc shot a day to get 5 grams

You are correct people who do not take testosterone seem to think you just keep growing forever on it which is nonsense. I don't think I have any kind of problem. I have not been training for bodybuilding 25 years straight. I have been only back to training for 4.5 years now actual bodybuilding for about 3. I was on a cane 4.5 years ago and I have digestive issues and injuries. All things considering for 46 years old I think I am doing great.

Currently I am no longer trying to blow up. I am trying to refine what I have and win shows at 209lbs. I feel a lot better eating less. Bulking is not fun in your late 40s but it had to be done as I had taken a long time off and needed the size and strength back. Also fuck yes I plan to get my pec fixed I am going to need 2 pecs to win Nationals

In a few years when the tech is a little more established, I will probably try Stem cell treatment for the knees. But yeah I have two real bad knees I am not going to blow up to 300lbs heavy squatting at 46 years old regardless of gear. It is way too late for me to get massive.  However I can stay in shape and make improvements I do think I can win Nationals at 209lbs before 50 give me 2 good pecs and I am coming for a win. Just not sure if I will be fully recovered by next July or not but I can get shredded if motivated. I will be motivated for nationals if I have two pecs and think I can win.

[IroNat]

I have some of the best genetics on this board. By all means IronNat tell us about your awesome genetics and how you are in great shape don't show us just be like Wes and tell us we will just take your word for it. Fucking poser

Good try at being humble, Bhanky.

[MajorDomo]

I have some of the best genetics on this board. By all means IronNat tell us about your awesome genetics and how you are in great shape don't show us just be like Wes and tell us we will just take your word for it. Fucking poser

I'm guessing Hankism will make it into DSM-6

[38 returns]

You have tits don't talk about weight when you have tits

Brian you have no idea what shape I am in. I am really happy with my progress. I train once a week with former master Olympia winner. I would train you into the floor. Every month I am getting better. You aren't. I am also happy in my life and don't spend my days seeking the only attention I can get posting semi-gay pictures up to people who hate me.

You are the boards punch bag Brian. Like your ex wife was yours.

[bhank]

Brian you have no idea what shape I am in. I am really happy with my progress. I train once a week with former master Olympia winner. I would train you into the floor. Every month I am getting better. You aren't. I am also happy in my life and don't spend my days seeking the only attention I can get posting semi-gay pictures up to people who hate me.

You are the boards punch bag Brian. Like your ex wife was yours.

I know you have tits go ahead and lie about it doesn't change the facts

[Van_Bilderass]

Chase claimed to be taking 54iu at one point without Insulin. He doesn't take insulin. I have been on HGH now for 6 months without any insulin.

I don't think you need 5g of gear to max out.

I haven't followed Chase closely but I've seen a few videos and he appears to have gained additional size with each gear ramp-up no? But yes, for me and you we wouldn't gain much more by increasing dosages massively although there would be some additional gains. I've said even guys with awesome genetics an average of 1500mg might get you to 80-90% of your "geared potential" if a substantial amount of that is tren, say 500mg. The reason pros got way bigger 30 years ago, and not much more since then, is basically all due to the inclusion of a substatial dose of GH and insulin. The increased gear dosages, especially the higher test, did contribute to it but the main players were those peptides. Some guys have added even more size compared to the late 90s guys and I feel it's mainly the very high GH now, which has become much more affordable.

Chase doesn't do insulin, I thhink he says because his glucose is in range despite the very high GH. Which is due to the very high anabolics - they can increase insulin sensitivity (guys notice this with tren a lot). But I'm still surprised Chase hasn't incorporated insulin as that might add an additional 20-30lbs to his physique. Of course I told you if I were you I'd play with very small doses of Lantus to increase the GH effects on anabolism as well as the additional antiinflammatory effects which might help the gut even more, but you said the gut is under control. Then some tiny Humalog doses around training, not enough where you risked hypo or had to change the diet really, just trying to shift each workout to become slightly more anabolic. With practically "no cost" as in further health risks. But you do you, was just an idea.

[bhank]

I haven't followed Chase closely but I've seen a few videos and he appears to have gained additional size with each gear ramp-up no? But yes, for me and you we wouldn't gain much more by increasing dosages massively although there would be some additional gains. I've said even guys with awesome genetics an average of 1500mg might get you to 80-90% of your "geared potential" if a substantial amount of that is tren, say 500mg. The reason pros got way bigger 30 years ago, and not much more since then, is basically all due to the inclusion of a substatial dose of GH and insulin. The increased gear dosages, especially the higher test, did contribute to it but the main players were those peptides. Some guys have added even more size compared to the late 90s guys and I feel it's mainly the very high GH now, which has become much more affordable.

Chase doesn't do insulin, I thhink he says because his glucose is in range despite the very high GH. Which is due to the very high anabolics - they can increase insulin sensitivity (guys notice this with tren a lot). But I'm still surprised Chase hasn't incorporated insulin as that might add an additional 20-30lbs to his physique. Of course I told you if I were you I'd play with very small doses of Lantus to increase the GH effects on anabolism as well as the additional antiinflammatory effects which might help the gut even more, but you said the gut is under control. Then some tiny Humalog doses around training, not enough where you risked hypo or had to change the diet really, just trying to shift each workout to become slightly more anabolic. With practically "no cost" as in further health risks. But you do you, was just an idea.

Once I get the pec fixed if my stomach is still doing well I will consider adding insulin to bulk however I was wondering if IGF-1 might accomplish the same thing and maybe be better?

I do plan to use BPC 157 and TB500 post surgery

[Van_Bilderass]

Once I get the pec fixed if my stomach is still doing well I will consider adding insulin to bulk however I was wondering if IGF-1 might accomplish the same thing and maybe be better?

I do plan to use BPC 157 and TB500 post surgery

The igf is kind of a question mark for me. I'm questioning the doses used (maybe too low on average?) plus I haven't really used it and haven't seen a lot use use it personally. What people say is that it shines as a crab loading product that can have excellent cosmetic effects in the short term. But if I had it easily available I'd use it for sure, I don't think it would hurt

[bhank]

The igf is kind of a question mark for me. I'm questioning the doses used (maybe too low on average?) plus I haven't really used it and haven't seen a lot use use it personally. What people say is that it shines as a crab loading product that can have excellent cosmetic effects in the short term. But if I had it easily available I'd use it for sure, I don't think it would hurt

I am going to continue to HGH regardless but yeah I was thinking of adding IGF-1 instead of insulin but again this is all after I recover from surgery. For surgical recovery I have heard good things about BPC 157 and TB500 the big IFBB Pro guy who tore his quads said he did recovery for one with it and the other without and with was way better with it. He was on hgh both times but the BPC157 and TB500 made the recovery difference the second time.

He said he was taking a bottle a day or a gram a day of each cant remember but a bottle would be 4 grams and a gram of each would be half a bottle

https://www.peptidepros.net/product/bpc-157-and-tb-500-blend-thymosin-b4-2mg-each-4mg/

So yeah at 20-45 dollars a day not cheap with bulk discount it cost about a 500-grand a month to run that dosage. But if you are recovering from a major surgery worth it. I will probably run it for at least 2 months maybe 3-4

[webstar]

I have some of the best genetics on this board. By all means IronNat tell us about your awesome genetics and how you are in great shape don't show us just be like Wes and tell us we will just take your word for it. Fucking poser

Agreed. Best genetics!

1000 mg a week plus GH

Best genetics