Collagen Peptides?

[Dave D]

I keep seeing collagen peptides at Costco. Is this the newest supplement gimmick?

How are these different than protein? I thought peptides were injected, or were at least hormone based?Does anyone use these , if so what are the benefits?

[LurkerNoMore]

Isn't this what the LBAs over on ProMuscle were?  They were the rage for a long time. Then the original guy sold the company and then that guy took over and a short while later the first guy (or someone close to him) released the actual recipe to make your own.  After that I think he ran into some problems with the FDA and getting approved/certified since it was considered a "food" product.

Someone on here may know more about that situation.

[Grape Ape]

It's not new.

Can't hurt.

Cheap enough to take 10g a day, I get mine from Microingredients.

[Van_Bilderass]

It's about 50% glycine and not a complete protein due to the lack of tryptofan. There was a case way back where there was a diet where all protein was collagen, and people died perhaps due to it being so inferior a source of EAAs.

The theory is that these short peptides get absorbed intact and can therefore be good for joints etc. Proline and hydroxyproline is one amino thought to have biological effects because it's so abundant in collagen.

You can obviously also buy casein and whey peptides. They are absorbed faster and iirc even faster that free form aminos.
I like the casein Peptopro. Collagen and these other proteins are acid treated to form peptides, regular collagen is poorly absorbed, this is hydrolyzed forming fast absorbing peptide chains.

I would only use it to supplement other proteins, by itself it's horrible.

[LurkerNoMore]

It's not new.

Can't hurt.

Cheap enough to take 10g a day, I get mine from Microingredients.

Is it decently priced?

[Van_Bilderass]

Is it decently priced?

If you buy from a bulk supplier. The fancy labeled ones can be very expensiive, otherwise it's very cheap. Maybe worth it to check which manufacturer supplies the bulk seller if they are open to disclosing it, not all are.

[Grape Ape]

Is it decently priced?

I like mircoringredients a lot.

They have an amazon store, and routinely have sales on their home site + amazon for 10-20% off.

I buy electrolyte powder, l-theanine, coq10, krill oil, k2+mk7, collagen, lion's mane, and creatine from them, and they are my go-to when I just want to try shit like tongkat and stuff.

I find them very cost effective, even when compared to places with good prices like Costco.

[joswift]

Hey Arnold, have you seen these collegen peptides?

[Lartinos]

These are good for connective tissues but poor for building muscle.

[Grape Ape]

Hey Arnold, have you seen these collegen peptides?

Am fully aware most of this stuff could do jack shit.

[joswift]

Am fully aware most of this stuff could do jack shit.

its like hand cream, women put handcream on 3 times a day for 50 years, there skin is no better than mine who has never put any on in my life

Same with hair products, all it does is coat your hair, hair is dead tissue

[Grape Ape]

its like hand cream, women put handcream on 3 times a day for 50 years, there skin is no better than mine who has never put any on in my life

Same with hair products, all it does is coat your hair, hair is dead tissue

Some of the science behind certain things does make sense to me.  If it's not causing me any financial concern, and the downside is negligent, why the fuck not?

[Van_Bilderass]

Hey Arnold, have you seen these collegen peptides?

Remember Steve Reeves and his hyping of collagen? I think it's been around since early 20th century.

[Van_Bilderass]

I like mircoringredients a lot.

They have an amazon store, and routinely have sales on their home site + amazon for 10-20% off.

I buy electrolyte powder, l-theanine, coq10, krill oil, k2+mk7, collagen, lion's mane, and creatine from them, and they are my go-to when I just want to try shit like tongkat and stuff.

I find them very cost effective, even when compared to places with good prices like Costco.

If they are third party analyzed it would be a plus. Many of these herbs are just sawdust. In the US I would only buy from nootropicsdepot or buy the patented extracts with good feedback.

[Grape Ape]

If they are third party analyzed it would be a plus. Many of these herbs are just sawdust. In the US I would only buy from nootropicsdepot or buy the patented extracts with good feedback.

I think so?

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[Dave D]

its like hand cream, women put handcream on 3 times a day for 50 years, there skin is no better than mine who has never put any on in my life

Same with hair products, all it does is coat your hair, hair is dead tissue

Which specific brand of hand cream are you talking about?

Also can you provide a photo of your hand and the hand of the woman you’re referring to? The visual evidence would help.

Thanks !

[joswift]

Which specific brand of hand cream are you talking about?

Also can you provide a photo of your hand and the hand of the woman you’re referring to? The visual evidence would help.

Thanks !

I didnt want to specify the cream in case Ron gets closed down for unfair advertising

the image is the lady but shes holding beakdoctors hand

[IroNat]

Eggs and meat contain all essential amino acids.

Nothing proven about whether collagen peptides do anything but they might.
Some people say it works and it might but it could also be placebo. 

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1606/collagen-peptides

Steroids work.  Take steroids and peptides and you'll get results along with a lighter wallet.  Just take the steroids without the peptides and you'll get probably the same results.

To get more collagen in your diet (not peptides) eat the cartilage and bones (if soft enough) of animals.
For example, when you eat a chicken drumstick, eat the cartilage too.

[IroNat]

Remember Steve Reeves and his hyping of collagen? I think it's been around since early 20th century.

Reeves ate gelatin powder mixed up in juice.  Like Knox.  Like Jello.

It was made from animal hooves then.  Maybe still is.

My grandfather would never eat Jello because of where it came from.

He also would never eat hot dogs or mince meat for the same reason.

[Van_Bilderass]

Reeves ate gelatin powder mixed up in juice.  Like Knox.  Like Jello.

It was made from animal hooves then.  Maybe still is.

My grandfather would never eat Jello because of where it came from.

He also would never eat hot dogs or mince meat for the same reason.

Yes I forgot what it was called when you buy it in the grocery store for baking. I think Reeves credited it for recovering his stomach? I think one of the first supplements for bodybuiilders were liver pills, would eat 300 of them. Carnivores say liver is like nature's multivitamin.

My mom is the same, can't eat sausage if there is one ingredient which not in all sausages. Can't eat meat if it's prepared by someone else because she has to take away all the fat. I think collagen comes from beef skins. Disgusting to think about.

[Dave D]

I didnt want to specify the cream in case Ron gets closed down for unfair advertising

the image is the lady but shes holding beakdoctors hand

LOL! Well done!

[wes]

Back in the day they sold liquid Collagen which was then called "Liquid Pre-Digested Protein"....sold in a plastic bottle that you would squeeze like a shampoo bottle and it was gel like.....it sucked and isn`t a complete protein lacking many essential Amino Acids.

I have no knowledge about any Peptides, but I`d pass and eat a steak and eggs breakfast any day over some BS snake oil touted as a new miracle supplement.

[wes]

Yes I forgot what it was called when you buy it in the grocery store for baking. I think Reeves credited it for recovering his stomach? I think one of the first supplements for bodybuiilders were liver pills, would eat 300 of them. Carnivores say liver is like nature's multivitamin.

My mom is the same, can't eat sausage if there is one ingredient which not in all sausages. Can't eat meat if it's prepared by someone else because she has to take away all the fat. I think collagen comes from beef skins. Disgusting to think about.

It comes from ligaments and tendons,and is not a complete protein......aka "connective tissue".

[bhank]

Ok going way back to the time when research mattered. Collagen is the big difference between compounds. Some compounds increase collagen synthesis while others reduce it. This was actually a really important point during my research about 20 years ago that no one seemed to keep up on. Like all the other shit gets reprinted a million times and the research on that I can't find anywhere now. That is why some compounds are more likely to lead to injury. This is another reason to stack compounds. This is really important when we start talking about ligaments and tendons and injuries.

Specifically if I recall testosterone was actually bad for collagen and some other compounds like Deca were good for it there was also a difference in the quality of the collagen with some producing more cross fibers and stronger collagen or some shit. There was some really good research on the subject back in the day I can't find now.

But the jest of it was you are creating larger but weaker bonds with some compounds and should therefore mix compounds and train within a safety range below maximum effort as your muscle strength may outpace your ligaments and tendons

"Anabolic steroids can affect collagen synthesis by increasing the production of collagen but also by disrupting the balance between collagen synthesis and breakdown. This can lead to a decrease in the quality of collagen produced and an increased risk of joint injury."

[wes]

Ok going way back to the time when research mattered. Collagen is the big difference between compounds. Some compounds increase collagen synthesis while others reduce it. This was actually a really important point during my research about 20 years ago that no one seemed to keep up on. Like all the other shit gets reprinted a million times and the research on that I can't find anywhere now. That is why some compounds are more likely to lead to injury. This is another reason to stack compounds. This is really important when we start talking about ligaments and tendons and injuries.

Specifically if I recall testosterone was actually bad for collagen and some other compounds like Deca were good for it there was also a difference in the quality of the collagen with some producing more cross fibers and stronger collagen or some shit. There was some really good research on the subject back in the day I can't find now.

But the jest gist of it was you are creating larger but weaker bonds with some compounds and should therefore mix compounds and train within a safety range below maximum effort as your muscle strength may outpace your ligaments and tendons

"Anabolic steroids can affect collagen synthesis by increasing the production of collagen but also by disrupting the balance between collagen synthesis and breakdown. This can lead to a decrease in the quality of collagen produced and an increased risk of joint injury."

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