physiques definately not better than the 90's greats

[IroNat]

Eating pizza fast?

Short rests between slices.

Sometimes you superset with trips to the fridge for more beer.

[Humble Narcissist]

Short rests between slices.

Sometimes you superset with trips to the fridge for more beer.

High or low frequency of days/week?

[bhank]

I agree with a lot of this but the greats always rose to the top in record speed. Levrone, Wheeler and many others. All were champions "immediately," well maybe not exactly immediately as they typically started juicing at 15-16.

Levrone said he "tried" GH TWICE at a paltry 4iu a day and it ruined his cuts lol.

I think so too. I'd guess many are so obsessed they have legit eating disorders. The "naturals" are peeled too, probably prep 10 months for a show as it takes time to get that peeled.

Nasser was famous for doing extreme amounts of drugs, like 5-10 grams of test, 10 Anadrol a day with a lot of Winstrol (both are potentially liver toxic so a combo is worse) to the point of having jaundice according to Chad. Milos had written in his journal about Nasser's Anadrol dosage, whatever that's worth.

I had a buddy in college who competed as a SuperHeavy at 19 he def started young they say to wait but the real freaks start young the teenage body responds better to anabolics

[_bruce_]

The talent seems watered down nowadays.
Albeit I prefer the 50ies and 60ies, the early 90ies had the best freaks.

[Van_Bilderass]

I had a buddy in college who competed as a SuperHeavy at 19 he def started young they say to wait but the real freaks start young the teenage body responds better to anabolics

I've always said this. It's probably not healthy but The Coach here started at 15 via Rx from doc and he's still in great shape.I'm not even joking, if I could go back and decide how I used anabolics in my life I would probably have done some cycles as early as 8 yrs old but I would have moderated my use more later on.

[MAXX]

I've always said this. It's probably not healthy but The Coach here started at 15 via Rx from doc and he's still in great shape.I'm not even joking, if I could go back and decide how I used anabolics in my life I would probably have done some cycles as early as 8 yrs old but I would have moderated my use more later on.

I think so to it makes sense simply because the body in general is healthier and able to tolerate abuse of drugs better when younger.

but there's always exception to the rule. Andrew Jacked has gained alot and I believe he started bodybuilding very late.

Also Kevin Levrone started his first cycle at 24 supposedly(prior to his first competition)

[joswift]

I think so to it makes sense simply because the body in general is healthier and able to tolerate abuse of drugs better when younger.

but there's always exception to the rule. Andrew Jacked has gained alot and I believe he started bodybuilding very late.

Also Kevin Levrone started his first cycle at 24 supposedly(prior to his first competition)

didnt Kevin win Jnr Nationals?

Whats the age limit for a Jnr in the NPC?

[honest]

didnt Kevin win Jnr Nationals?

Whats the age limit for a Jnr in the NPC?

Its not the same junior nationals is like Novice Nationals

[BigRo]

Teenagers should not be juicing especially not hard. The muscle on these guys who blast very young looks puffed up and fake, its not quality muscle which takes time.

[MAXX]

didnt Kevin win Jnr Nationals?

Whats the age limit for a Jnr in the NPC?

I went by this. Moreplatesmoredates did some research

https://moreplatesmoredates.com/kevin-levrones-steroid-cycles/

Kevin Levrone started his first steroid cycle at 24 years old, six weeks out of his first competition (the 1990 NPC Maryland State Championship).

Kevin first steroid cycle was comprised of:
Testosterone Cypionate – 400 mg per week

During that went from 198 pounds up to 206 pounds six weeks later while simultaneously burning fat.

looking like this on 400mg test cyp for 6 weeks? kind of hard to believe but,,, genetics I guess, is kind of important for bb lol

2 years later 2'nd place Olympia

[MAXX]

anyways I recall someone said on a forum he spoke with Kevin about steroids and dosaging and it seemed to him like Kevin didn't understand dosing and what mg numbers was what, what a CC was etc.

I think some guys don't measure things at all and just load up gear from time to time and inject at random when they feel like it and end up alot higher dosages than they claim   

then when someone asks they say whatever is established as norm and what sounds good.

[falco]

Kevin was blessed with perfect genes for bodybuilding. Glad he took advantage of that blessing.

[MAXX]

Kevin was blessed with perfect genes for bodybuilding. Glad he took advantage of that blessing.

For sure.

You can tell when a kid has the muscle bellies for gaining size if they want to

Kevin @ 13 y old with pretty much round capped delts, and and seperation in bicep/brachio showing clearly.

[Van_Bilderass]

anyways I recall someone said on a forum he spoke with Kevin about steroids and dosaging and it seemed to him like Kevin didn't understand dosing and what mg numbers was what, what a CC was etc.

I think some guys don't measure things at all and just load up gear from time to time and inject at random when they feel like it and end up alot higher dosages than they claim   

then when someone asks they say whatever is established as norm and what sounds good.

A steroid course when young might not always be called abuse, especially if sides are tightly monitored. GH for example is given in some places even if you aren't a dwarf, just very short which will impact life negatively as a male.

Bodybuilders generally aren't really that interested in the steroids, they want them but don't care about the minutia, what mg their gear is. Today orals aren't counted towards the total usually even by the smart ones for whatever reason, say you like to pop 100mg preworkout of whatever is in the drawer, it's "nothing."

Teenagers should not be juicing especially not hard. The muscle on these guys who blast very young looks puffed up and fake, its not quality muscle which takes time.

Steroid muscle never looks quite the same  Younger teens can take 10mg of dbol a day for a month and get very visually obvious "muscle" and strength, I saw it in a few 14 year olds when I started. But I'm thinking of studies where 8 year olds were given 20mg of Anavar for a year and apparently didn't suffer sides and final height wasn't affected.

[falco]

A steroid course when young might not always be called abuse, especially if sides are tightly monitored. GH for example is given in some places even if you aren't a dwarf, just very short which will impact life negatively as a male.

Bodybuilders generally aren't really that interested in the steroids, they want them but don't care about the minutia, what mg their gear is. Today orals aren't counted towards the total usually even by the smart ones for whatever reason, say you like to pop 100mg preworkout of whatever is in the drawer, it's "nothing."

Steroid muscle never looks quite the same  Younger teens can take 10mg of dbol a day for a month and get very visually obvious "muscle" and strength, I saw it in a few 14 year olds when I started. But I'm thinking of studies where 8 year olds were given 20mg of Anavar for a year and apparently didn't suffer sides and final height wasn't affected.

How can anyone ever know or claim that?

20mg of Anavar is way above medical use, its pharmacheutical presentation was 2mg pills, to be taken once or twice daily would presume.

[Van_Bilderass]

How can anyone ever know or claim that?

20mg of Anavar is way above medical use, its pharmacheutical presentation was 2mg pills, to be taken once or twice daily would presume.

I think the oxandrolone was typically 2.5mg.Well today there are 20mg pills and iirc usual max dose is 40 or 60mg. The TRT places usually give 20mg sometimes cycled up as "hormone optimization" lol, and there is a member here who has talked about his prescribed stack.

I grossly misremembered the dose, it was 2.5mg max in girls and up to 5mg in boys with Turner's syndrome, this went on for years starting at 8-10 and often estrogen added at puberty age in girls, plus GH in most studies. In burn treatments in children it was up to 10mg a day for a year.

[IroNat]

I've always said this. It's probably not healthy but The Coach here started at 15 via Rx from doc and he's still in great shape.I'm not even joking, if I could go back and decide how I used anabolics in my life I would probably have done some cycles as early as 8 yrs old but I would have moderated my use more later on.

Didn't he have a mild stroke a few years back?

[Humble Narcissist]

For sure.

You can tell when a kid has the muscle bellies for gaining size if they want to

Kevin @ 13 y old with pretty much round capped delts, and and seperation in bicep/brachio showing clearly.

Was he gay in high school?

[falco]

Was he gay in high school?

The 80's were a colorfull era.

[falco]

I've always said this. It's probably not healthy but The Coach here started at 15 via Rx from doc and he's still in great shape.I'm not even joking, if I could go back and decide how I used anabolics in my life I would probably have done some cycles as early as 8 yrs old but I would have moderated my use more later on.

Luckily you didn't, and enjoyed a drug free adolescence, just playing around with friends, not feeding insecurities of body image.

[BigRo]

Luckily you didn't, and enjoyed a drug free adolescence, just playing around with friends, not feeding insecurities of body image.

not only body image problems but hormonal destruction and serious behavioral problems, fighting and wanting to ride trees etc.

[Van_Bilderass]

Luckily you didn't, and enjoyed a drug free adolescence, just playing around with friends, not feeding insecurities of body image.

Yes, the problem with steroid use at that age you don't know what you want to do with your life and it would be someone else making the decision. It's only now that I think I might have benefited from some mild Anavar/GH therapy, sort of modifying my genetic baseline. Body insecurities and such were not something I thought about at that age although I did pick up my first bb mag at 8.

Nowdays some clued in parents are hounding doctors for GH/arimidex for their kid who they want to become star athletes, who would helped by more height. A little Anavar shouldn't hurt either, might even increase height slightly more.

[BigRo]

Yes, the problem with steroid use at that age you don't know what you want to do with your life and it would be someone else making the decision. It's only now that I think I might have benefited from some mild Anavar/GH therapy, sort of modifying my genetic baseline. Body insecurities and such were not something I thought about at that age although I did pick up my first bb mag at 8.

Nowdays some clued in parents are hounding doctors for GH/arimidex for their kid who they want to become star athletes, who would helped by more height. A little Anavar shouldn't hurt either, might even increase height slightly more.

A solid natural base is the best foundation for athletic stardom.

[NarcissisticDeity]

For sure.

You can tell when a kid has the muscle bellies for gaining size if they want to

Kevin @ 13 y old with pretty much round capped delts, and and seperation in bicep/brachio showing clearly.

His son

[jude2]

Kevin has good genetics in his family for sure.  The female Levrone just cleaned up at the Olympics in track in field.  He was really athletic and fast.