Breon Ansley posts his cycle

[joswift]

In another thread you commented on how muscles don't grow they just inflate. Some examples were given of trainers blowing up fast after a layoff. Has anyone tried just using a shitload of gear just a few weeks before the contest?

It takes time to allow the muscles to expand, they dont just blow up in a couple weeks

this is why after a layoff you pretty much blow back up to your previous really quickly
Once the tissue has been expanded it easy goes back to its previous size

Its like blowing a ballon up the first time, its always easier to blow it up once its been blown up before

[JK]

He done posted it up.

Truth? Fiction? Who gives a shit?

Blend tren a and e administered only twice a week is complete nonsense. acetate has a half-life of only 36 hours, so for it to make any sense it should be used if not daily then at least every other day.

[Van_Bilderass]

Blend tren a and e administered only twice a week is complete nonsense. acetate has a half-life of only 36 hours, so for it to make any sense it should be used if not daily then at least every other day.

You're right in a way but acetate will work wonders done twice weekly too, adjusting the dose of course. In theory it might work even better due to you achieving higher top concentration in the blood, theoretically stimulating a bigger anabolic response. The tail after the peak might be longer than people assume too. Consider also that tren ace, Winstrol, and test suspension have been used in cattle every 2 weeks or so. In fact, Winstrol was named Winstrol Depot many times and tablets were available by the same companies. The human injectable had the advantage of having to be administered much more infrequently, might even have been every 2 weeks, have to check. The free hormone of Win or Test Susp will cristallize some and cause a sort of depot. I have done the enan/ace tren combo twice weekly but it's impossible to gauge the difference if any.

The half-life charts on the net can't be trusted, some give enanthate or cypionate a half life of 8-10 days whereas in the actual literature I've seen half lives as low as 2-3 days for enanthate. Many HRT practitioners do advice at least twice weekly admins but as you know in the past it was something like 200-400mg every 2 to 4 weeks, of course way suboptimal.

[38 returns]

ive only done tren years ago

i found acetate at 1ml 3 x weekly along with 1ml sust same frequency was my best cycle for gains and I could cope with the sides. changed my look i na matter of weeks

250mg of tren enanthate was horrific after 3 weeks- mad dreams etc etc broke out in hives, not good at all

i would consider a simple rip blend at some point at a low 1ml m w f  along with a bit of growth and a drol a day for my pre holiday cut.  relatively low dose but. plenty for me

[Van_Bilderass]

Has anyone tried just using a shitload of gear just a few weeks before the contest?

They all have It's very typical to throw all caution to the wind as the contest approaches. Even if not to extremes most jack up the dose just a little from what was planned, easy to understand psychologically, you are afraid of looking small and making a fool of yourself.. Major oral intakes the last 1-2 weeks is common, for example, 150mg Winstrol, 50mg Halotestin, 50mg Anavar, a large handful of Proviron. As many Winstrol shots as you can handle 1-2 days out. Then some try to do a magic trick with food, my buddy swore he ate 3500 grams of carbs the last 24 hours without drinking, said his mouth was bleeding and full of sores, couldn't speak. Said he made sure to shit once an hour lol.
Another ate 60 donuts last thing at night before the show, complained of distention.

[38 returns]

some moron used 54iu hgh the night before and looked like shit onstage.

[JK]

You're right in a way but acetate will work wonders done twice weekly too, adjusting the dose of course. In theory it might work even better due to you achieving higher top concentration in the blood, theoretically stimulating a bigger anabolic response. The tail after the peak might be longer than people assume too. Consider also that tren ace, Winstrol, and test suspension have been used in cattle every 2 weeks or so. In fact, Winstrol was named Winstrol Depot many times and tablets were available by the same companies. The human injectable had the advantage of having to be administered much more infrequently, might even have been every 2 weeks, have to check. The free hormone of Win or Test Susp will cristallize some and cause a sort of depot. I have done the enan/ace tren combo twice weekly but it's impossible to gauge the difference if any.

The half-life charts on the net can't be trusted, some give enanthate or cypionate a half life of 8-10 days whereas in the actual literature I've seen half lives as low as 2-3 days for enanthate. Many HRT practitioners do advice at least twice weekly admins but as you know in the past it was something like 200-400mg every 2 to 4 weeks, of course way suboptimal.

Thanks for the clarification. Always good to learn something new.

[joswift]

They all have It's very typical to throw all caution to the wind as the contest approaches. Even if not to extremes most jack up the dose just a little from what was planned, easy to understand psychologically, you are afraid of looking small and making a fool of yourself.. Major oral intakes the last 1-2 weeks is common, for example, 150mg Winstrol, 50mg Halotestin, 50mg Anavar, a large handful of Proviron. As many Winstrol shots as you can handle 1-2 days out. Then some try to do a magic trick with food, my buddy swore he ate 3500 grams of carbs the last 24 hours without drinking, said his mouth was bleeding and full of sores, couldn't speak. Said he made sure to shit once an hour lol.
Another ate 60 donuts last thing at night before the show, complained of distention.

I think most people end up taking more than they planned leading up to a show.
Its like you set a max then when you are at that max and feeling OK , you think fuck it, I might as well up it a bit.

[MajorDomo]

Who knew that drugs were behind successful bodybuilders. I'm literally shocked now.

[powerbar]

Look at his face.

This is a cycle for Mr O, wouldn't you want to optimize it for the last 3 months, steroids arent that toxic in the short run.

In my opinion, the average cycle is about 3.5 grams total for a guy like this. It could be a bit lower but why wouldnt they push it a little. No reason.

Like a month out the tren usually goes way up, test is sometimes lowered. Orals are 99% of the time present, almost no one is not using Winstrol at this point. About 2 weeks out the average is 150 to 200mg a day total. Tren is usually at a gram, Masteron likewise, test prop according to preference.

For those not following social media, this cycle is an approved cycle, meaning it won't cause criticism. Everyone supposedly does this exact cycle now, the jackass Victor Black is responsible for making this approved. Testosterone is always the base, but only to about 500mg, then you have 3 choices of additional anabolics, Masteron, Primobolan or Anavar, one of them at a time in the offseason in addition to the test. In prep its acceptable to run 100/200mg of tren a week for a few weeks. Go beyond these approved guidelines and the whole internet comes down on you. As for the GH, a bottle, or 10iu, is usually minimum, but okay, if you absolutely can't handle the sides lol, ok. A bottle in the morning and night is common. Remember these guys have been on GH for a decade usually, you do get used to sides over time.

I think only BigRo here follows these things as hes a high level competitor, I don't follow much but some. I believe his way more modest cycle for the last show, hes gone soft with his zen approach lol, but I seem to remember his cycle being way heavier many years past, correct me if Im wrong. But again, just think, this is for something that is very important to them, usually its pedal to the metal as the show approaches.

Just my perspective.

To answer your question of wouldn't you want to "optimize?"  You're not trying to put a huge amount of stress on the body as you get closer to the show especially for 3 or 4 months.  We all have a certain amount of health runway and it's probably more at 25 than it is at 40.  We are constantly negotiating what a drug, training or diet does for us compared to what it does against us.  It's not that we fear having a heart attack before we make it to the stage but we may have such poor sleep that other things just aren't working well.  Sure Breone could run a gram of tren but how much better would he retain muscle in a deficit?  Also how much can you build in a deficit if that's a goal?  He's probably experimented with higher doses of just about everything he listed.  The cost just wasn't worth the reward. 

[Van_Bilderass]

To answer your question of wouldn't you want to "optimize?"  You're not trying to put a huge amount of stress on the body as you get closer to the show especially for 3 or 4 months.  We all have a certain amount of health runway and it's probably more at 25 than it is at 40.  We are constantly negotiating what a drug, training or diet does for us compared to what it does against us.  It's not that we fear having a heart attack before we make it to the stage but we may have such poor sleep that other things just aren't working well.  Sure Breone could run a gram of tren but how much better would he retain muscle in a deficit?  Also how much can you build in a deficit if that's a goal?  He's probably experimented with higher doses of just about everything he listed.  The cost just wasn't worth the reward.

You make some very good points and could well be correct. But I have my suspicions due to the "approved dosage range" in effect nowadays, and most pros listed dosages fall into that approved range and if they don't the trolls pounce on them and if something bad happens to the guy Generation Iron or Rxmuscle (and getbig lol) almost takes delight in the misfortune.

Thanks for the clarification. Always good to learn something new.

You are of course right in that generally you want as stable levels as possible, even to just lower side effects. Just pointing out that, for example if someone is a high dose tren user and uses 700mg/week and does 350mg twice weekly it will obviously "work," it won't all be metabolised by the time of the next injection. This fella Jerry Ward knew Levrone and said Levrone would shoot a whole bottle of Deca every 2 weeks, and no one generally shoots so i frequently. Jerry had this theory he called "anabolic threshold" where he though the higher the peak youu could achieve the higher the total anabolism you could trigger, it's a hypothesis but doesn't sound totally illogical to me.

I write entirely too much but it's not to one up anyone or say I'm obviously right every time.
But here's an example, you know how NPP is supposed to be shot every other day or preferably every day. But then you look at the graph of how one single injection metabolises and, to me, it looks like it would work great shot twice a week, perhaps even every 4-5 days (considering the dose will also be higher). By 4 days it's still almost at peak and then falls. Other opinions welcome 

[rick doot]

What about peach cobbler, anabolic chicken and MetRx?

[IroNat]

Who knew that drugs were behind successful bodybuilders. I'm literally shocked now.

What are you implying?

[JK]

You are of course right in that generally you want as stable levels as possible, even to just lower side effects. Just pointing out that, for example if someone is a high dose tren user and uses 700mg/week and does 350mg twice weekly it will obviously "work," it won't all be metabolised by the time of the next injection. This fella Jerry Ward knew Levrone and said Levrone would shoot a whole bottle of Deca every 2 weeks, and no one generally shoots so i frequently. Jerry had this theory he called "anabolic threshold" where he though the higher the peak youu could achieve the higher the total anabolism you could trigger, it's a hypothesis but doesn't sound totally illogical to me.

I write entirely too much but it's not to one up anyone or say I'm obviously right every time.
But here's an example, you know how NPP is supposed to be shot every other day or preferably every day. But then you look at the graph of how one single injection metabolises and, to me, it looks like it would work great shot twice a week, perhaps even every 4-5 days (considering the dose will also be higher). By 4 days it's still almost at peak and then falls. Other opinions welcome 

Now I'm wondering whether to try this method with NPP. 100 mg 3x week (what I usually did) vs 200 mg 2x week? Is it even worth messing around with such small doses?

[ESFitness]

In another thread you commented on how muscles don't grow they just inflate. Some examples were given of trainers blowing up fast after a layoff. Has anyone tried just using a shitload of gear just a few weeks before the contest?

Eh, there's no difference between grow and inflate.

[AbrahamG]

Eh, there's no difference between grow and inflate.

If you saw Bhanks at the gym and he disrespected you, what would the likely outcome be?

[Humble Narcissist]

Eh, there's no difference between grow and inflate.

New growth vs muscle memory.

[bhank]

You're right in a way but acetate will work wonders done twice weekly too, adjusting the dose of course. In theory it might work even better due to you achieving higher top concentration in the blood, theoretically stimulating a bigger anabolic response. The tail after the peak might be longer than people assume too. Consider also that tren ace, Winstrol, and test suspension have been used in cattle every 2 weeks or so. In fact, Winstrol was named Winstrol Depot many times and tablets were available by the same companies. The human injectable had the advantage of having to be administered much more infrequently, might even have been every 2 weeks, have to check. The free hormone of Win or Test Susp will cristallize some and cause a sort of depot. I have done the enan/ace tren combo twice weekly but it's impossible to gauge the difference if any.

The half-life charts on the net can't be trusted, some give enanthate or cypionate a half life of 8-10 days whereas in the actual literature I've seen half lives as low as 2-3 days for enanthate. Many HRT practitioners do advice at least twice weekly admins but as you know in the past it was something like 200-400mg every 2 to 4 weeks, of course way suboptimal.

You always hear about how Tren A is supposed to be better but is it really? The hormone is the same an ester merely determines it's half life. People always try to claim ten ace and test cyp hit stronger or to take it a step further test suspension. The thing is the dosage is not the same over the same period. The shorter esters are going to give you a larger dosage total as the ester is less of the total weight. Additionally, it will hit you faster as the short life is less so you will get more into your system by weight and it will break off its ester faster in the first few days with a shorter ester if using the same 200mg dosage. You will get more hormone in the blood quicker with the shorter ester however if taking consistently enanthate will give you more stable levels in the blood with less frequent injections. You can get the exact same amount of free hormone in the blood if you adjust the dosage. As such less frequent larger injections of enanthate ester for tren, test or whatever is preferable in my view. If not planning on competing tren does seem a little harsh for long term usage in the aging amateur bodybuilder. But I see no benefit on the acetate over the enanthate. We used to have to make tren from finaplix pellets which contained acetone I believe that is why everyone fell in love with tren ace but tren enathate is the much preferred product in my opinion and tren shots can be traumatic especially the acetate but any tren shot the less tren shots the better. Masteron is a  better product in my opinion but all these things are difficult and black market you are better off sticking with prescribed legal TRT with an AI add in prescribed legal HGH if you want to go crazy.

[38 returns]

fuckoff brian.

[illuminati]

fuckoff brian.

Yes - Fuck off X1,000,000

[Van_Bilderass]

Now I'm wondering whether to try this method with NPP. 100 mg 3x week (what I usually did) vs 200 mg 2x week? Is it even worth messing around with such small doses?

It depends on what you're after of course, one guy here says he does his sports trt at 70mg test, 50mg nandrolone A WEEK plus a little Anavar and says he has great results. He did say he cycled up the dosages a tiny bit periodically, not much. 400mg is of course a very high dose compared to nothing at all, the hrt guys claim to feel 50mg.

You always hear about how Tren A is supposed to be better but is it really? The hormone is the same an ester merely determines it's half life. People always try to claim ten ace and test cyp hit stronger or to take it a step further test suspension. The thing is the dosage is not the same over the same period. The shorter esters are going to give you a larger dosage total as the ester is less of the total weight. Additionally, it will hit you faster as the short life is less so you will get more into your system by weight and it will break off its ester faster in the first few days with a shorter ester if using the same 200mg dosage. You will get more hormone in the blood quicker with the shorter ester however if taking consistently enanthate will give you more stable levels in the blood with less frequent injections. You can get the exact same amount of free hormone in the blood if you adjust the dosage. As such less frequent larger injections of enanthate ester for tren, test or whatever is preferable in my view. If not planning on competing tren does seem a little harsh for long term usage in the aging amateur bodybuilder. But I see no benefit on the acetate over the enanthate. We used to have to make tren from finaplix pellets which contained acetone I believe that is why everyone fell in love with tren ace but tren enathate is the much preferred product in my opinion and tren shots can be traumatic especially the acetate but any tren shot the less tren shots the better. Masteron is a  better product in my opinion but all these things are difficult and black market you are better off sticking with prescribed legal TRT with an AI add in prescribed legal HGH if you want to go crazy.

You are right of course but there still might be subjective differences between the esters, maybe imaginary, maybe not. Like you and I said the esterless test spikes very high almost immediately and this can give a kick you can actually feel during your workout if you shot it a couple of hours preworkout. They say methyltren gives the most subjective mental kick immediately and it's of course pretty much the most potent steroid per milligram. I feel an immediate slight strength increase from Anadrol if taken at a high dose but the other roids take a while to "feel."