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You never lose muscle
« on: January 14, 2025, 11:42:29 AM »
We're getting into semantics. Myoblasts fuse satellite cells into existing muscle cells.  I said new satellite cells

When muscle is gained through "hyperplasia and hypertrophy," it means that the muscle mass increases due to both an increase in the size of individual muscle fibers (hypertrophy) and an increase in the number of muscle fibers (hyperplasia) within the muscle itself; essentially, the muscle grows both by getting bigger cells and by creating more cells.

But my point has nothing to do with gaining muscle, I argue you never lose muscle, only atrophy existing muscle. Therefore, any bodybuilder that needs to go off or stop training need not worry about 'losing muscle'. It is impossible.

The satellite cells/muscle cells(we can talk how muscle size increases in another thread,

are permanent, as we agree muscle memory. But you will never lose muscle once gained. So if you need to go off gear, stop training, whatever, you'll start right where you left off, you'll just need to hypertrophy cells, not go through the whole process of fusing satellite cells into exiting muscle fibers.

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2025, 01:56:27 PM »
Joe Swift says you don't create new muscle cells.

You just increase their volume.

What you are referring to is "muscle memory".

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2025, 06:25:53 PM »
Joe Swift says you don't create new muscle cells.

You just increase their volume.

What you are referring to is "muscle memory".
Hyperplasia and Hypertrophy coexist in muscle growth. New satellite cells are formed through training, gear(particularly GH) and other factors.


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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2025, 05:51:27 AM »
Hyperplasia and Hypertrophy coexist in muscle growth. New satellite cells are formed through training, gear(particularly GH) and other factors.



Joe Swift says no.

I'm only reporting.

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2025, 08:04:56 AM »
IMHO,cuz I`m no scientist,your muscle cells shrink and expand just as your fat cells do.

Once you train again after a long layoff and eat to maintain that training your muscles expand again.

Krankenstein could break it down into more scientific terms I`m sure.

Just my 3 CC`s !!

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2025, 08:06:00 AM »
Joe Swift says you don't create new muscle cells.

You just increase their volume.

What you are referring to is "muscle memory".
Agreed.

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2025, 08:26:33 AM »
Hyperplasia in a nutshell is cancer, cells multiplying out of control

Muscles hypertrophy, they increase in size and volume, thats why tarining to absolute failure and netives tearing down fibres is ridiculous, they just repair, they dont create extra cells

Once your muscles have been expanded and can strech as far as they will go thats you done, thats genetic potential right there.

Same reason you dont need boatloads of protein as you do not create new muscles, you just repair the ones you have.

I urge anyone to half their protein intake for a month ands see if it makes any difference at all.

Muscle memery is just the ability for the muscle to blow back up to its previously enlarged state

5 years worth of training can be replicated in 3 months if you had a lay off for a year..

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2025, 09:04:39 AM »
Fuck I deleted original when trying to respond. I'll fix it later. But I have some thoughts I think we can talk about. Thanks for your input and I'll get into a further debate later.

But my ultimate point is that going completely off for an extended period of time has NO effect on your bodybuilding progress. In fact, going off will sensitize androgen receptors for perhaps greater growth.

I'll get the original post back up, but even though we said it different ways, JoeSwift saying you can't create new muscle cells means you can't lose them either. Only hypertrophy and atrophy them.

As I pointed out in the original clip(fuck I have to find the OP) it took Arnold and those guys maybe 3 months to hypertrophy their existing muscle. So I would argue that once an Olympian has reached essential perfection and perfect weight, there is NO need to do any gear or even train very hard until 20 weeks before the next Olympia. In fact you will probably have better health, no injuries, better results from fresh receptors, and a LONG, healthy career.

I'll find the OP and get into it more.

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Re: You never lose muscle
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2025, 12:10:55 AM »
If you come off gear for a lengthy period your receptors will be fresh so there`s that, plus
"muscle memory" is real.