Yes!!! Trump declassifies the Epstein files - 01-23-25

[Dave D]

I'm not defending Trumps bad decisions, I'm making fun of people that have spent the last 10 years being obsessed with his every move while defending illegal aliens and hoping for the downfall of the US. These people are to be treated with contempt and disgust. We need to get back to the center so we can have rational discussions.

Agreed.

I was trying to find a middle ground with Trump comment, but I was baffled that an intelligent person would make a comparison between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant, as if Melania was granted citizenship because she gave birth to a child here.

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Agreed.

I was trying to find a middle ground with Trump comment, but I was baffled that an intelligent person would make a comparison between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant, as if Melania was granted citizenship because she gave birth to a child here.

What is the actual data on immigration though?

Obama deported a crazy amount and it was more skewed towards criminals. Is the open border rhetoric actually factual or just populist bullshit?

[Grape Ape]

What is the actual data on immigration though?

Obama deported a crazy amount and it was more skewed towards criminals. Is the open border rhetoric actually factual or just populist bullshit?

I believe the majority of Obama's deports were done right at border - like 85-90% near the end of his term%  Got caught, sent right back.  Like it should happen.

This admin can't do that due to the prior administration letting them in.  Interior deports were always going to be messy.

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I believe the majority of Obama's deports were done right at border - like 85-90% near the end of his term%  Got caught, sent right back.  Like it should happen.

This admin can't do that due to the prior administration letting them in.  Interior deports were always going to be messy.

What I was asking was what are the actual facts? were people coming in at a certain percentage, etc.. Was the charge against biden correct? if it was why would they do that? its not for votes as we already know, they don't vote. Cheap labor?

Messy is a interesting word to use for what has occurred.

[LurkerNoMore]

Agreed.

I was trying to find a middle ground with Trump comment, but I was baffled that an intelligent person would make a comparison between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant, as if Melania was granted citizenship because she gave birth to a child here.

Again, you obviously did not comprehend what I wrote.  Because the only comparison between a legal or illegal immigrant was from the fat boy of the board.  Not me.   I'll use smaller words for you.  Melania went on a surprise tv press conference talking about the very thing her husband called a hoax.  In response, Trumpy posted a video of a woman being beat to death with a hammer.  Kind of a comical response when you think it was getbigger like in nature as if he were saying "I'm gonna beat your ass when I get home."

As far as the anchor baby comment, she and her husband did the exact thing that he now wants to eliminate other people from doing.  Hypocrisy at it's finest. 

Do try harder to keep up.

[Grape Ape]

What I was asking was what are the actual facts? were people coming in at a certain percentage, etc.. Was the charge against biden correct? if it was why would they do that? its not for votes as we already know, they don't vote. Cheap labor?

Messy is a interesting word to use for what has occurred.

This is the question I have asked repeatedly, but nobody can answer.

It absolutely could be for votes, just not how you think - house seats are allocated based on total population, not citizens.  So importing tons of illegals and shipping them to certain blue states could have a big effect.

Then, hope to enact a path for citizenship, and get the votes as well.

As for messy, yes.  Interior deports are much more difficult.  Throw in the left deliberately causing chaos around it, and it appears even worse.

[GymnJuice]

This is the question I have asked repeatedly, but nobody can answer.

It absolutely could be for votes, just not how you think - house seats are allocated based on total population, not citizens.  So importing tons of illegals and shipping them to certain blue states could have a big effect.

Then, hope to enact a path for citizenship, and get the votes as well.

As for messy, yes.  Interior deports are much more difficult.  Throw in the left deliberately causing chaos around it, and it appears even worse.

I did not realize this. That is a big deal.

[Grape Ape]

I did not realize this. That is a big deal.

Yeah, it's the only plausible thing I can think of to justify what they did.

Move them to blue states, get more seats.

Move them to swing states (which I believe they did and can be tracked on the gov't site), get citizenship, never lose another election again.

If this doesn't work, do what they just did in Virginia.

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This is the question I have asked repeatedly, but nobody can answer.

It absolutely could be for votes, just not how you think - house seats are allocated based on total population, not citizens.  So importing tons of illegals and shipping them to certain blue states could have a big effect.

Then, hope to enact a path for citizenship, and get the votes as well.

As for messy, yes.  Interior deports are much more difficult.  Throw in the left deliberately causing chaos around it, and it appears even worse.

Is that true? do more immigrants head to blue states vs red states? They were shipping them to blue states?

What is the evidence for that?

[chaos]

You are framing it like he isn't in the files more than almost anyone

Says who? Can you provide a link to whatever article counted the number of times Trump was mentioned vs others in the millions of pages that were released? Or are you lying again?

What is the actual data on immigration though?

Obama deported a crazy amount and it was more skewed towards criminals. Is the open border rhetoric actually factual or just populist bullshit?

Where does that stat come from?

Is that true? do more immigrants head to blue states vs red states? They were shipping them to blue states?

What is the evidence for that?

Of course they do, those states are sanctuary states or contain sanctuary cities. That's not a secret. Were "they" shipping them to blue states? Well there has been evidence posted before of other states sending their illegals/homeless to CA in buses. What happened when they (illegals) were bused to Marthas Vineyard? So yeah "they" are shipping them to other states.

[Grape Ape]

Is that true? do more immigrants head to blue states vs red states? They were shipping them to blue states?

What is the evidence for that?

AI is your friend here.

Data aspect: There were documented large percentage increases in unauthorized migrant encounters or estimates in several swing states during the Biden years (often triple-digit in some metrics from low baselines). The administration also used programs like parole, asylum processing, and NGO-supported flights/relocations for some migrants, including to various cities.

But regardless, why do YOU think Biden allowed so many illegals in?

[Dave D]

Again, you obviously did not comprehend what I wrote.  Because the only comparison between a legal or illegal immigrant was from the fat boy of the board.  Not me.   I'll use smaller words for you.  Melania went on a surprise tv press conference talking about the very thing her husband called a hoax.  In response, Trumpy posted a video of a woman being beat to death with a hammer.  Kind of a comical response when you think it was getbigger like in nature as if he were saying "I'm gonna beat your ass when I get home."

As far as the anchor baby comment, she and her husband did the exact thing that he now wants to eliminate other people from doing.  Hypocrisy at it's finest. 

Do try harder to keep up.

This is what you said.
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An immigrant?  Like Melania was prior?
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In response to this post.

By someone Bideny let in the country?

Do you know the difference  between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant?

I’m with you. Trump calling the Epstein files a hoax, when he ran on releasing the files, and then called those who wanted the files released losers was ridiculous.

Maybe also refresh your understanding of the what an anchor baby is. She was trumps legal wife for a year than had a baby and shortly after that received US citizenship.

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AI is your friend here.

But regardless, why do YOU think Biden allowed so many illegals in?

l will have to look into it further and get back to you.

[Grape Ape]

l will have to look into it further and get back to you.

Just wanted an opinion.....wasn't necessarily looking for you to hunt it down.

But let's see what you get.

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Just wanted an opinion.....wasn't necessarily looking for you to hunt it down.

But let's see what you get.

Well I am not sure it was purposeful, I don't know. The nefarious reasons would be what you are suggesting. In Canada it was for cheap labor and folks who will work for minimum wage. I would suspect it's for those reasons if I had to guess. Immigration (legal) is a huge net positive for the economy in almost every economy. All the measurements and research generally agree on this.

Obviously illegal or under the table shit is unquantifiable.

[Grape Ape]

Well I am not sure it was purposeful, I don't know. The nefarious reasons would be what you are suggesting. In Canada it was for cheap labor and folks who will work for minimum wage. I would suspect it's for those reasons if I had to guess. Immigration (legal) is a huge net positive for the economy in almost every economy. All the measurements and research generally agree on this.

Obviously illegal or under the table shit is unquantifiable.

I hear that.

But recall - when it got to the point where the mainstream couldn't hide it, and they got pressed, the answer became they needed a "bipartisan border bill" to close it, but Trump, although not in office, had it blocked.

But it was blocked because it also contained billions for Ukraine (i am all for single item bills) and it also normalized crossings of just under 5k a day, or 1.8M per year.

But Trump closed the border without a bill so that proved all of that leftist gaslighting to be false.

AND, Biden canned the Stay in Mexico policy that Trump enacted.  So that implies it was intentional, unless he was only doing it out of spite and to appeal to the base, but that helped with the surge.

So, until I hear a real good answer, I have to go with the congressional seats theory, since the math works.

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I hear that.

But recall - when it got to the point where the mainstream couldn't hide it, and they got pressed, the answer became they needed a "bipartisan border bill" to close it, but Trump, although not in office, had it blocked.

But it was blocked because it also contained billions for Ukraine (i am all for single item bills) and it also normalized crossings of just under 5k a day, or 1.8M per year.

But Trump closed the border without a bill so that proved all of that leftist gaslighting to be false.

AND, Biden canned the Stay in Mexico policy that Trump enacted.  So that implies it was intentional, unless he was only doing it out of spite and to appeal to the base, but that helped with the surge.

So, until I hear a real good answer, I have to go with the congressional seats theory, since the math works.

But if what trump is doing is actually harmful for the economy overall why would there need to be a underhanded reason for doing it. Maybe its actually not a problem? maybe its a net positive which is why Biden did it. I simply haven't looked into it enough to have a worthy opinion.

I do know that it helped the economy here but there were unintended consequences and that's probably related to more granular issues like over-immigration etc. there is likely a number that makes sense, what that is, I have no idea.

The idea they go to dem states isn't clear to me either. I hear the argument about sanctuary cities but I would reckon the vast majority are working and looking for a better opportunity in the richest country in the world. I don't have a pessimistic view of immigrants. A very small minority want handouts etc just like the populace. Most want an opportunity. Now, they shouldn't do that illegally, technically.

[Grape Ape]

But if what trump is doing is actually harmful for the economy overall why would there need to be a underhanded reason for doing it. Maybe its actually not a problem? maybe its a net positive which is why Biden did it. I simply haven't looked into it enough to have a worthy opinion.

I do know that it helped the economy here but there were unintended consequences and that's probably related to more granular issues like over-immigration etc. there is likely a number that makes sense, what that is, I have no idea.

The idea they go to dem states isn't clear to me either. I hear the argument about sanctuary cities but I would reckon the vast majority are working and looking for a better opportunity in the richest country in the world. I don't have a pessimistic view of immigrants. A very small minority want handouts etc just like the populace. Most want an opportunity. Now, they shouldn't do that illegally, technically.

Most people are for immigration, but legally.  You can easily argue that the legal way takes too long, and I would concede they have to reform.

But I can't accept Biden was letting in millions uncheck to "improve the economy".  Yes, there likely is some benefit to cheap, illegal labor, but the math says eventually that breaks.

And this ignores the fact that it makes our country less safe.

[joswift]

Immigration is a benefit to your society if you bring people in of equal value or better.

Bringing in people who will never get beyond minimum wage yet bring in a wife and 6 kids is not going to be in any way beneficial, its societal suicide.

[Grape Ape]

Immigration is a benefit to your society if you bring people in of equal value or better.

Bringing in people who will never get beyond minimum wage yet bring in a wife and 6 kids is not going to be in any way beneficial, its societal suicide.

Correct, and they are also supposed to keep their heritage, but assimilate into the culture and adopt the native country's language and values.

[chaos]

I did not realize this. That is a big deal.

It is and it's one that dems like to downplay since they benefit from it the most.

[Grape Ape]

But if what trump is doing is actually harmful for the economy overall why would there need to be a underhanded reason for doing it. Maybe its actually not a problem? maybe its a net positive which is why Biden did it. I simply haven't looked into it enough to have a worthy opinion.

I do know that it helped the economy here but there were unintended consequences and that's probably related to more granular issues like over-immigration etc. there is likely a number that makes sense, what that is, I have no idea.

The idea they go to dem states isn't clear to me either. I hear the argument about sanctuary cities but I would reckon the vast majority are working and looking for a better opportunity in the richest country in the world. I don't have a pessimistic view of immigrants. A very small minority want handouts etc just like the populace. Most want an opportunity. Now, they shouldn't do that illegally, technically.

You're theorizing Biden letting in millions and millions of illegals is good for the country, and Trump closing the border and trying to remove them is bad?

[LurkerNoMore]

This is what you said.
quote author=LurkerNoMore link=topic=697517.msg10469431#msg10469431 date=1775943248]
An immigrant?  Like Melania was prior?

In response to this post.
Do you know the difference  between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant?

I’m with you. Trump calling the Epstein files a hoax, when he ran on releasing the files, and then called those who wanted the files released losers was ridiculous.

Maybe also refresh your understanding of the what an anchor baby is. She was trumps legal wife for a year than had a baby and shortly after that received US citizenship.

You realize I said nothing about legal status of immigration?  Or did you miss that part?

Being married does not automatically make her a citizen.  She was an immigrant that spit out a baby.

Again, you failed to comprehend what my post was actually about, instead just trying to split hairs and semantics when I posting about his reaction being more on the level of SNL.

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You're theorizing Biden letting in millions and millions of illegals is good for the country, and Trump closing the border and trying to remove them is bad?

It depends of course, it's not obvious based on that data alone.

How would one make sense of that without context? do you need workers, are we talking illegal? or legal. Does reducing immigration to trickle levels have negatives. I couldn't make a clear assertion with data and context nor knowledge on the situation.

It's just not that simple.

It's a complex system, we know that initial conditions and small changes cause non-linear effects aka 1 plus 1 equals 5.

So while on the surface it would seem like letting in folks in bad or stopping folks from coming in is good we would need more data. I am sure that is there.

What I don't trust is the government, particularly trumps government who punishes dissent.

Not sure if that answers that question

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