Japan proves excess deaths in vaccinated...

[joswift]

there are multiple studies showing reduced rates of transmission, reduced rates of hospitalization and serious infection during multiple variants. It had a demonstrably effect just like all vaccines do, its just how the immune system works.

there is no way of proving that vaccines worked at all

Eritrea still doesnt use the covid vaccine, they have never used it, they have had 103 deaths due to covid out of a population of 3.6 million

England has 56 million with 202,000


Thats way more per capita and England had one of the earliest vaccine roll outs

[Necrosis]

there is no way of proving that vaccines worked at all

Eritrea still doesnt use the covid vaccine, they have never used it, they have had 103 deaths due to covid out of a population of 3.6 million

England has 56 million with 202,000


Thats way more per capita and England had one of the earliest vaccine roll outs

there is a way to prove it as far as one can prove it. The in vitro studies and immunology tells us it would work, its jut how bodies work.

Using a isolated super undeveloped nation with a low density of people, that would have horrible reporting, testing etc to the UK is apples to oranges of course.

The US had more per capita than Englad and had ample vaccine. The countries with the lowest per capita were the undevloped ones, I wonder why. A conspiracy theorist would say its because covid wasn't bad and vaccines caused the death or the rational person could point out the climate (huge impact on transmission), poor reporting and testing that likely went on.

To even make your point sensible and not an outlier for example - maybe these folks were innately immune etc we would need to compare all the other countries to reduce the risk of noise

[joswift]

there is a way to prove it as far as one can prove it. The in vitro studies and immunology tells us it would work, its jut how bodies work.Using a isolated super undeveloped nation with a low density of people, that would have horrible reporting, testing etc to the UK is apples to oranges of course.

The US had more per capita than Englad and had ample vaccine. The countries with the lowest per capita were the undevloped ones, I wonder why. A conspiracy theorist would say its because covid wasn't bad and vaccines caused the death or the rational person could point out the climate (huge impact on transmission), poor reporting and testing that likely went on.

To even make your point sensible and not an outlier for example - maybe these folks were innately immune etc we would need to compare all the other countries to reduce the risk of noise

without a vaccine there may have been less deaths, we will never know

Without lockdowns there may have been less deaths, in fact if you use "the science" the UK knew that covid was a problem in January, we let people walk around unchecked until March then locked everyone in their homes.

Its settled science that influenza cases happen mostly in the home.

The only reason to lock people in their homes would be to ensure the maximum number of cases

[Grape Ape]

there are multiple studies showing reduced rates of transmission, reduced rates of hospitalization and serious infection during multiple variants. It had a demonstrably effect just like all vaccines do, its just how the immune system works.

Fine.

Just show the studies, and who funded them, that show that healthy people with no comorbidities needed that vax.  Show the studies that said the schools should have been locked down, businesses closed, and that mandated that college kids needed them to keep the universities going.

Also, please show the studies, and who funded them, that show the vaccine is still beneficial to those who already had covid and have natural immunity.