Japan proves excess deaths in vaccinated...

[joswift]

there are multiple studies showing reduced rates of transmission, reduced rates of hospitalization and serious infection during multiple variants. It had a demonstrably effect just like all vaccines do, its just how the immune system works.

there is no way of proving that vaccines worked at all

Eritrea still doesnt use the covid vaccine, they have never used it, they have had 103 deaths due to covid out of a population of 3.6 million

England has 56 million with 202,000


Thats way more per capita and England had one of the earliest vaccine roll outs

[Necrosis]

there is no way of proving that vaccines worked at all

Eritrea still doesnt use the covid vaccine, they have never used it, they have had 103 deaths due to covid out of a population of 3.6 million

England has 56 million with 202,000


Thats way more per capita and England had one of the earliest vaccine roll outs

there is a way to prove it as far as one can prove it. The in vitro studies and immunology tells us it would work, its jut how bodies work.

Using a isolated super undeveloped nation with a low density of people, that would have horrible reporting, testing etc to the UK is apples to oranges of course.

The US had more per capita than Englad and had ample vaccine. The countries with the lowest per capita were the undevloped ones, I wonder why. A conspiracy theorist would say its because covid wasn't bad and vaccines caused the death or the rational person could point out the climate (huge impact on transmission), poor reporting and testing that likely went on.

To even make your point sensible and not an outlier for example - maybe these folks were innately immune etc we would need to compare all the other countries to reduce the risk of noise

[joswift]

there is a way to prove it as far as one can prove it. The in vitro studies and immunology tells us it would work, its jut how bodies work.Using a isolated super undeveloped nation with a low density of people, that would have horrible reporting, testing etc to the UK is apples to oranges of course.

The US had more per capita than Englad and had ample vaccine. The countries with the lowest per capita were the undevloped ones, I wonder why. A conspiracy theorist would say its because covid wasn't bad and vaccines caused the death or the rational person could point out the climate (huge impact on transmission), poor reporting and testing that likely went on.

To even make your point sensible and not an outlier for example - maybe these folks were innately immune etc we would need to compare all the other countries to reduce the risk of noise

without a vaccine there may have been less deaths, we will never know

Without lockdowns there may have been less deaths, in fact if you use "the science" the UK knew that covid was a problem in January, we let people walk around unchecked until March then locked everyone in their homes.

Its settled science that influenza cases happen mostly in the home.

The only reason to lock people in their homes would be to ensure the maximum number of cases

[Grape Ape]

there are multiple studies showing reduced rates of transmission, reduced rates of hospitalization and serious infection during multiple variants. It had a demonstrably effect just like all vaccines do, its just how the immune system works.

Fine.

Just show the studies, and who funded them, that show that healthy people with no comorbidities needed that vax.  Show the studies that said the schools should have been locked down, businesses closed, and that mandated that college kids needed them to keep the universities going.

Also, please show the studies, and who funded them, that show the vaccine is still beneficial to those who already had covid and have natural immunity.

[GymnJuice]

There was plenty of evidence, the death rate of the original strains was between 5 to 9.6% . Young pepople were being admitted to hopsitals and ICUS 3-5x the rate of influenza and there were no go solutions at all. The icu's were reaching capacity rapidly. Can you not recall the requirement of more ventilators during the initial surges?

For non-white folks the rate of hospitalizaiton at the start- with the alpha and omicron variants was close to 20%, that was crushing the whole system, everywhere. Once you thrown in 60+ with comorbidities the death rate climbed dramatically. For example non-whites had a near 40% hospitalizaiton rate for the alpha variant.

Throw in the fact that long term complications like myocarditis are higher from just getting covid and that vaccines showed clear efficacy in reducing death (quite dramatically in fact) and severity which gave hospitals time to breath and it was an obvious intelligent choice. People up here could not get surgeries or into the ICU as it was full, it was like a zombie plague at first.

As time went on the variants mutated (thanks to evolution) into less virulent strains and vaccination roll outs quelled the surge. You then have revisionists (which you seem to be) seemingly forgetting how bad it was.

So without the vaccine which needed to be rushed and without foresight (it could of became even more lethal) on how the virus would go, you thought it was intelligent to potentially allow hospitals to be overrun, people die from minor issues as the care wasn't there and for it to run amok at a 5-9.4% death rate, never mind the things like myocarditis in young men in particular.

How are they diagnosing the myocarditis? I haven't seen that clearly spelled out in the studies.

[illuminati]

without a vaccine there may have been less deaths, we will never know

Without lockdowns there may have been less deaths, in fact if you use "the science" the UK knew that covid was a problem in January, we let people walk around unchecked until March then locked everyone in their homes.

Its settled science that influenza cases happen mostly in the home.

The only reason to lock people in their homes would be to ensure the maximum number of cases

It was a complete con job from the get go - With them stupidly absurd videos from China
With folk walking around like Fucking Zombies & just dropping down dead + All the men
In white hazmat suits going around spraying everything  - yeah like WTF were they spraying
& boarding folk up in there homes.

Rebranded Strong Influenza maybe with something added.

Odd how the likes of Brain Necrosis never address the above- Because they were taken for Fools
& they acted like fools & did what the government & talking told them to do - fucking imbeciles.

Let alone all the equally stupid & ridiculous rules that were put in place so that idiots would look even
More foolish following them. 

FFS THERE'S A LOT OF GULLIBLE & STUPID FOLK ABOUT & A GOOD FEW ON THIS BOARD.     🤷🏻‍♂️

[unwieldy]

I am still waiting for the vaccinated to die by the billions and us non vaccinated to experience great blessings. Maybe it's time to wake up to reality?

[Humble Narcissist]

I am still waiting for the vaccinated to die by the billions and us non vaccinated to experience great blessings. Maybe it's time to wake up to reality?

Shouldn't the non vaccinated already be dead?

[Donny]

Just wondering when the next pandemic starts
They're probably going to start mixing the shots into standard vaccinations that we've known for years.
Going in the back door so to speak ...