Trump fires Lisa Cook

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Thank you Captain Obvious.  lol  That doesn't mean people should not have an opinion and discuss it.

Those of you who want to do this will certainly do so ad nauseum as per usual. So, have at it. But have you ever considered what is the point doing this? If your opinion bears out, you can pat yourselves on the back. If it does not, you will undoubtably either disagree or ignore it.

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Those of you who want to do this will certainly do so ad nauseum as per usual. So, have at it. But have you ever considered what is the point doing this? If your opinion bears out, you can pat yourselves on the back. If it does not, you will undoubtably either disagree or ignore it.

No, I'm not running down your typical rabbit trail where you try and avoid discussing the merits of anything bad related to a leftist.  This is a discussion board.  Of course people are going to discuss whatever is in the news or is of interest to them.

As for me, I find it incredibly troubling that this woman not only identified three homes as her primary residence to take advantage of lower interest rates and lower down payments, but she then pulled the ladder up behind her and apparently favored not lowering interest rates for Americans.  Absolutely outrageous.  I'm glad Trump has the stones to fire her.   

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It's an opinion piece.  I will assume you didn't actually read it, because he very clearly walks through his analysis of why Trump has the authority to fire Cook.

No I did and no where does it indicate what the article title states. I mean if you posted more than just the article and had an opinion it would be easier to debate it.

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If it does not, you will undoubtably either disagree or ignore it.

Are you talking about yourself as that is exactly what you
constantly do.   

it's "undoubtedly" learn to spell.

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So after 7 pages, any MAGAtards recalling how some orange turd made up imaginary sq ft in a property to get better terms from the bank?

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Are you talking about yourself as that is exactly what you
constantly do.   

it's "undoubtedly" learn to spell.

Thanks for the spelling lesson. You are correct, undoubtably is a non-standard but commonly used variant of "undoubtedly," and some dictionaries or software recognize it, which is why the MS Word spell checker did not flag it. 

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So after 7 pages, any MAGAtards recalling how some orange turd made up imaginary sq ft in a property to get better terms from the bank?

What is more, this same person undervalued these same properties to reduce his tax liability which is criminal tax fraud. The penalty for tax fraud can include a prison sentence unless you have been deemed above the law because of the specific public position you hold.

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What is more, this same person undervalued these same properties to reduce his tax liability which is criminal tax fraud. The penalty for tax fraud can include a prison sentence unless you have been deemed above the law because of the specific public position you hold.

Property value is subjective. Supply/demand.

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Property value is subjective. Supply/demand.

Does supply and demand explain why in 2024 Trump was charged with fraud for inflating the value of his properties in order to get better financing? As of today, those fraud charges stand because Trump lost his appeal in August 2025.

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Does supply and demand explain why in 2024 Trump was charged with fraud for inflating the value of his properties in order to get better financing? As of today, those fraud charges stand because Trump lost his appeal in August 2025.

Do you think Trump is the only politician that has done/is doing this? He is the most investigated man in history and this is the menial, bottom barrel, chinsy, retarded shit you guys can come up with? "He" (or someone that appraises real estate) inflated the value of his properties? I've never been allowed to put my own value on any property I own, have you?

Damn, you leftists expose your desperation constantly.

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Do you think Trump is the only politician that has done/is doing this? He is the most investigated man in history and this is the menial, bottom barrel, chinsy, retarded shit you guys can come up with? "He" (or someone that appraises real estate) inflated the value of his properties? I've never been allowed to put my own value on any property I own, have you?

Damn, you leftists expose your desperation constantly.

Desperate? No. Curious? Yes.

No, I have not appraised my own properties. When buying and financing my properties, the lenders have had appraisers who do this at my expense as part of closing costs. In Oregon, the County assessor determines the RMV and the MAV annually. Also, in Oregon the MAV can only be increased by a maximum of 3% each year. RMV and MAV rarely are the same except when the house or building is new. None of my properties are or were new construction.

Obviously, Trump and sons found a way to circumvent the process the lender would normally use to value properties. Exactly how they did this, I do not know. What I do know is that the prosecutor apparently convinced the Judge that fraud was committed since Trump and sons were found guilty of it. This ruling has not been overturned on appeal at this point. However, Trump can still appeal the civil fraud conviction. I believe the penalties have been paused.

How are you not already aware of the current situation with Trump’s civil fraud conviction in NY?

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What is more, this same person undervalued these same properties to reduce his tax liability which is criminal tax fraud. The penalty for tax fraud can include a prison sentence unless you have been deemed above the law because of the specific public position you hold.

Who did he defraud?

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Desperate? No. Curious? Yes.

No, I have not appraised my own properties. When buying and financing my properties, the lenders have had appraisers who do this at my expense as part of closing costs. In Oregon, the County assessor determines the RMV and the MAV annually. Also, in Oregon the MAV can only be increased by a maximum of 3% each year. RMV and MAV rarely are the same except when the house or building is new. None of my properties are or were new construction.

Obviously, Trump and sons found a way to circumvent the process the lender would normally use to value properties. Exactly how they did this, I do not know. What I do know is that the prosecutor apparently convinced the Judge that fraud was committed since Trump and sons were found guilty of it. This ruling has not been overturned on appeal at this point. However, Trump can still appeal the civil fraud conviction. I believe the penalties have been paused.

How are you not already aware of the current situation with Trump’s civil fraud conviction in NY?

The lenders did their own appraisals and wanted to loan him more money, so he didn't circumvent anything. 

[Dos Equis]

This could be a signal of what's coming for Lisa Cook. 

Supreme Court allows Trump to fire FTC commissioner
Trump's actions are in direct tension with a 1935 ruling that upheld restrictions on the president's ability to remove FTC commissioners without cause.
Sept. 8, 2025
By Lawrence Hurley
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-trump-fire-ftc-commissioner-rcna229385

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Pulte
@pulte
3 strikes and you’re out.

Today, U.S. Federal Housing sent a 2nd Criminal Referral in the matter of Lisa D. Cook, related to a mortgage on a 3rd property and alleged misrepresentations about her properties to the United States Government during her time as Governor of the Federal Reserve. On April 7, 2021, Cook entered a 15-year mortgage for a condominium in Cambridge, MA, representing it as her “Second Home”. Only eight months later, on December 1, 2021, Cook signed an ethics form with the U.S. Government that this property was an “investment/rental property”. In subsequent filings from 2022 to 2025, Cook consistently listed this property as an investment/rental property, not a second home.  Representing the property as a second home may have allowed Cook to secure a lower “Second Home” mortgage down payment and rates, as investment properties typically carry higher down payments and higher rates due to increased risk. Additionally, Cook allegedly misrepresented her Atlanta, GA property from 2022-2025 to the U.S. Government as her residence, despite evidence suggesting it was being rented out to tenants. Similarly, Cook declared in a 2025 government filing that her Ann Arbor, MI property was her personal residence, however, we have reason to believe that as of 2025, the Ann Arbor property is being used as a rental property, not a personal residence. These inconsistencies appear Cook made additional, multiple false representations, including to the U.S. Government, regarding the status of her mortgages and properties.





https://x.com/pulte/status/1961239276148199679

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The lenders did their own appraisals and wanted to loan him more money, so he didn't circumvent anything.

Which lenders did their own appraisals?

Deutsche Bank testified that the bank's decision-making on loans worth hundreds of millions of dollars relied on the financial statements submitted by Trump. Deutsche Bank also did not conduct their own appraisals or have independent appraisals of Trump's properties.

A bank-ordered appraisal for 40 Wall Street valued the property at $220 million in 2012, but Trump's financial statements valued it at over $527 million. See below:
40 Wall Street, New York, NY
The Trump Organization owns a ground lease at 40 Wall Street, meaning it holds a
leasehold interest in the land and buildings on the land but pays rent to the owner. The
Trump Organization received a bank-ordered appraisal for the commercial property at
40 Wall Street that calculated a value for the property of $220 million as of November 1,
2012. Yet in the statement that year and the next year (2013), 40 Wall Street was
valued at $527 million and $530 million — more than twice the value calculated by the
independent, professional appraisers. Even more egregiously, those increased
valuations were attributed to information obtained from the same professional appraiser
who valued the building at just over $200 million.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_-_final.pdf#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Organization%20owns%20a%20ground%20lease,value%20calculated%20by%20the%20independent%2C%20professional%20appraisers.

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Which lenders did their own appraisals?

Deutsche Bank testified that the bank's decision-making on loans worth hundreds of millions of dollars relied on the financial statements submitted by Trump. Deutsche Bank also did not conduct their own appraisals or have independent appraisals of Trump's properties.

A bank-ordered appraisal for 40 Wall Street valued the property at $220 million in 2012, but Trump's financial statements valued it at over $527 million. See below:
40 Wall Street, New York, NY
The Trump Organization owns a ground lease at 40 Wall Street, meaning it holds a
leasehold interest in the land and buildings on the land but pays rent to the owner. The
Trump Organization received a bank-ordered appraisal for the commercial property at
40 Wall Street that calculated a value for the property of $220 million as of November 1,
2012. Yet in the statement that year and the next year (2013), 40 Wall Street was
valued at $527 million and $530 million — more than twice the value calculated by the
independent, professional appraisers. Even more egregiously, those increased
valuations were attributed to information obtained from the same professional appraiser
who valued the building at just over $200 million.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_-_final.pdf#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Organization%20owns%20a%20ground%20lease,value%20calculated%20by%20the%20independent%2C%20professional%20appraisers.

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TDS 24/7 - He in your head all day everyday. 😂🤣😂🤣😂

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TDS 24/7 - He in your head all day everyday. 😂🤣😂🤣😂

What a way to live the last years of your life. Truly pathetic!

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What a way to live the last years of your life. Truly pathetic!

It really is - I've watched his decline over the last few years & now he's consumed
With Hating on Donald 24/7 - its so bad he does not even remotely recognise it.

You never see him posting on any other topic except Donald.   
Oh but he's not obsessed,  No No No  🤣😂🤣😂

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Which lenders did their own appraisals?

Deutsche Bank testified that the bank's decision-making on loans worth hundreds of millions of dollars relied on the financial statements submitted by Trump. Deutsche Bank also did not conduct their own appraisals or have independent appraisals of Trump's properties.

A bank-ordered appraisal for 40 Wall Street valued the property at $220 million in 2012, but Trump's financial statements valued it at over $527 million. See below:
40 Wall Street, New York, NY
The Trump Organization owns a ground lease at 40 Wall Street, meaning it holds a
leasehold interest in the land and buildings on the land but pays rent to the owner. The
Trump Organization received a bank-ordered appraisal for the commercial property at
40 Wall Street that calculated a value for the property of $220 million as of November 1,
2012. Yet in the statement that year and the next year (2013), 40 Wall Street was
valued at $527 million and $530 million — more than twice the value calculated by the
independent, professional appraisers. Even more egregiously, those increased
valuations were attributed to information obtained from the same professional appraiser
who valued the building at just over $200 million.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_-_final.pdf#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Organization%20owns%20a%20ground%20lease,value%20calculated%20by%20the%20independent%2C%20professional%20appraisers.

Your AI research appears to confirm I am mistaken about the banks doing their own appraisals.  But they did do their due diligence.  They testified on his behalf.  They called him a "whale," confirmed he repaid his loans with interest, and that they wanted to do business with him again.  So, no victim, no fraud. 

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what was trump convicted of? I honestly do not know as I didnt follow along during that saga.

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Your AI research appears to confirm I am mistaken about the banks doing their own appraisals.  But they did do their due diligence.  They testified on his behalf.  They called him a "whale," confirmed he repaid his loans with interest, and that they wanted to do business with him again.  So, no victim, no fraud.

Not being an attorney, I cannot say for sure whether this is accurate or not but from what I read, criminal fraud is when there is a victim or victims. Trump was charged with civil fraud which does not require there be a victim(s).

Key differences between civil and criminal fraud
Fraud can be both a civil wrong (a "tort") and a criminal offense, and the standards for each differ significantly.
    
Civil Fraud (AG's Case)
   
Prosecutor   Brought by the Attorney General (Letitia James) on behalf of the state or public.
   
Burden of Proof:   "Preponderance of the evidence." The state must show it is more likely than not (over 50% chance) that fraud occurred.   
Required Intent:   Under New York's specific statute, proof of intent to deceive is not required.   
Potential Penalties:   Financial penalties, forfeiture of profits, and limitations on business operations.   
Victim Requirement:   In the civil case, the AG did not need to prove that a specific victim was harmed, only that repeated fraudulent acts occurred.   

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what was trump convicted of? I honestly do not know as I didnt follow along during that saga.

Fraud.

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Fraud.

didnt he also sexually abuse someone?

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didnt he also sexually abuse someone?

Trump was found liable for sexual abuse. The victim and accuser, E. Jean Carroll, was awarded a total of $88.3 million. $5 million for sexual abuse and defamation and an additional $83.3 million from a January 2024 trial for defamation related to Donald Trump's public statements. Trump appealed. The appeals court upheld the $5 million award to E. Jean Carroll.
The $83.3 million judgment was also upheld by an appeals court in September 2025.

Multiple women including Trump's late wife Ivana have accused him of sexual assault. Trump denied all of the allegations, saying they were lies. Many suspect there were payoffs made to silence the accusers.