Phil Williams

[dj181]

It's really not that hard to believe. He's not that big of a guy at 5'8 195-198. Searle Anavar back then was a real, pharmaceutical 2.5mg per. If he was taking 25mg that's 10 per day. Primo might a little low but the test is about right. Remember that there were no knock off's. In the video his conditioning was very good for that time. Add in his great genetics, it's not hard to believe at all.

Ex-fucking-actly

If you have great genetics you can be 5'8 200 onstage with less than 1 gram gear total

Hatfield said back in 1984 and that is needed is 1 gram.per kg per day so for 200 ie 90 kg that's 630 mgs a weellk

[Van_Bilderass]

Searle Anavar back then was a real, pharmaceutical 2.5mg per... Remember that there were no knock off's.

It's a myth that the gear was better then, I'm not a chemist but the technology to produce steroids is comparatively very easy compared to for example the peptides that the Chinese are producing in mass quantities, at purities that are better than many American and other "pharma" grade products. Add to this, "HRT clinics," which you've utilized yourself, are often prescribing Anavar at 40-50mg a day!!! as "Sports HRT" or "Hormone Optimization" to guys who hardly know how to train. They are produced "legally" in US compounding pharmacies. REAL Anavar is easy to get from UG now and from the clinics. They even make buccal troches of Anavar that they claim avoid the first pass metabolism and are therefore more gentle. This prescribing is probably a bit irresponsible and unethical maybe, even for me, but I would never complain if I was in the states...

Not commenting on the plausibility of the dosing at all, can be real.

[joswift]

It's a myth that the gear was better then, I'm not a chemist but the technology to produce steroids is comparatively very easy compared to for example the peptides that the Chinese are producing in mass quantities, at purities that are better than many American and other "pharma" grade products. Add to this, "HRT clinics," which you've utilized yourself, are often prescribing Anavar at 40-50mg a day!!! as "Sports HRT" or "Hormone Optimization" to guys who hardly know how to train. They are produced "legally" in US compounding pharmacies. REAL Anavar is easy to get from UG now and from the clinics. They even make buccal troches of Anavar that they claim avoid the first pass metabolism and are therefore more gentle. This prescribing is probably a bit irresponsible and unethical maybe, even for me, but I would never complain if I was in the states...

Not commenting on the plausibility of the dosing at all, can be real.

gear in the early 90s was almost all Pharma , you didn't get multi vial shit knocked up in a bathtub.
Anyone who has had the real pharma Parabolon from France will tell you it was night and day compared to todays tren

[Lartinos]

DJ181 is also a liar. He said he only blocks people who call him a pedophile.

I have never once called him that. Not once. Yet, he blocked me.

Another lie by DJ181.

Actually a brutal take down here of DJ. Heel or sensitive account blocker?

[JustPlaneJane]

Actually a brutal take down here of DJ. Heel or sensitive account blocker?

bj181 is a retarded mommy’s boy. A gutless coward hiding in some shithole country so that his ex-wife’s new boyfriend doesn’t throw him another beating.

For chrissakes he can’t bench press 155 lbs or squat 225 lbs. He’s like Shitzo, you have to wonder why they are even here.

[dj181]

Actually a brutal take down here of DJ. Heel or sensitive account blocker?

If you spew vicious or hateful things about me, I’m not listening. That’s your problem, not mine.

I’m focusing on becoming a kinder, gentler version of myself. Forever gone are Cheque Drops, Drol, and Halo.

Forever in: Deca and Primo. These two make me chill as hell — and I’ll only ever run them alongside a Test base.

[Lartinos]

If you spew vicious or hateful things about me, I’m not listening. That’s your problem, not mine.

I’m focusing on becoming a kinder, gentler version of myself. Forever gone are Cheque Drops, Drol, and Halo.

Forever in: Deca and Primo. These two make me chill as hell — and I’ll only ever run them alongside a Test base.

If you add in some dbol is the only way you will get enough size to get the most possible adonis ratio you so badly want.

[illuminati]

gear in the early 90s was almost all Pharma , you didn't get multi vial shit knocked up in a bathtub.
Anyone who has had the real pharma Parabolon from France will tell you it was night and day compared to todays tren

Yes - absolutely no comparison- you were hard pushed to take more 3 76mg shots a week
Yet look at the huge doses of Trenbolone so many are using with zero issues 🙄
Clearly even a blind man can see there's a huge difference.

[Van_Bilderass]

gear in the early 90s was almost all Pharma , you didn't get multi vial shit knocked up in a bathtub.
Anyone who has had the real pharma Parabolon from France will tell you it was night and day compared to todays tren

I know you've said this, many times, and I've pushed back. I only used a couple of the Negma Para. In fact, it was why I stopped using gear for a couple of years as it triggered my panic anxiety at like 18. I still hold that the tren is identical now. That this drug can't be recreated is absurd. That the Chinese can make ultra pure GH better than 'Western Pharma' but can't make Para makes zero sense. Besides, many pharma steroids can still be had. Absolutely no one I know bothers with it. Well, I've told you I've had the Cidoteston you like, but I've mostly used then to cut painful UG gear.

Yes - absolutely no comparison- you were hard pushed to take more 3 76mg shots a week
Yet look at the huge doses of Trenbolone so many are using with zero issues 🙄
Clearly even a blind man can see there's a huge difference.

I now use 25-35mg of UG Tren Enanthate a week and I can feel it. Why? It's potent. At some point I tried 150mg of acetate a day for a very brief amount of time and I lived through it, it was rough, but the point is that it can be done. Either you condition yourself through long exposure or you take some sleeping pills, or you accept feeling like death, whatever. I had some very, very dark moments on tren to be sure It's like street drugs, someone feels like a heart attack is coming off a few bumps and then some do 5 grams or whatever they claim they've done. I've had some Black Afghan Hashish where 5 grams lasted me for months of daily use but then someone tells me they did it in a night or two and it was true.

[illuminati]

bj181 is a retarded mommy’s boy. A gutless coward hiding in some shithole country so that his ex-wife’s new boyfriend doesn’t throw him another beating.

For chrissakes he can’t bench press 155 lbs or squat 225 lbs. He’s like Shitzo, you have to wonder why they are even here.

I very much wish they weren't here.

[joswift]

I know you've said this, many times, and I've pushed back. I only used a couple of the Negma Para. In fact, it was why I stopped using gear for a couple of years as it triggered my panic anxiety at like 18. I still hold that the tren is identical now. That this drug can't be recreated is absurd. That the Chinese can make ultra pure GH better than 'Western Pharma' but can't make Para makes zero sense. Besides, many pharma steroids can still be had. Absolutely no one I know bothers with it. Well, I've told you I've had the Cidoteston you like, but I've mostly used then to cut painful UG gear.

the french parablon were 78mgs per mil in a 1.5ml vial

You would need at least 600-700 mgs of todays tren to get the same effect as the pharma ones.

[illuminati]

the french parablon were 78mgs per mil in a 1.5ml vial

You would need at least 600-700 mgs of todays tren to get the same effect as the pharma ones.

76mg per 1.5ml vial 😊👍🏻

[Van_Bilderass]

the french parablon were 78mgs per mil in a 1.5ml vial

You would need at least 600-700 mgs of todays tren to get the same effect as the pharma ones.

So if someone like Janoshik tests UG Parabolan and it comes out legit what then accounts for the difference? Governments utilize this guy to test things, he's legit. I have never seen anyone offer any explanation, certainly no chemists or experts. All there is is old timers swearing up and down 'it's just not the same.' Many guys forget they are older now and nothing works as well now.

https://janoshik.com/

[joswift]

76mg per 1.5ml vial 😊👍🏻

I stand corrected

I dont think Van has ever had them, likley copies back then

Imagine taking ten of those a week (760mgs)

Most people I knew could only manage two and then they had anxiety and crazed thoughts, not to mention huge low back pumps

[38 returns]

were they Negma?

[joswift]

were they Negma?

[CalorieKing]

damnnnnnnnnnn i totally remember these
I used to get preloads of sustanon from Mexico and hammer those 20 gauge pencil end needles into my leg. Ah young and dumb

[CalvinH]

It's really not that hard to believe. He's not that big of a guy at 5'8 195-198. Searle Anavar back then was a real, pharmaceutical 2.5mg per. If he was taking 25mg that's 10 per day. Primo might a little low but the test is about right. Remember that there were no knock off's. In the video his conditioning was very good for that time. Add in his great genetics, it's not hard to believe at all.

You know better than me but I'm still doubtful.

[Coach is Back!]

Yep, awesome stuff. Even came with a little scoring saw

[CalvinH]

Huh?

140 test is full replacement just ask Greg douchey and dr tood pee Lee

They both only run 140 test

250

[illuminati]

I stand corrected

I dont think Van has ever had them, likley copies back then

Imagine taking ten of those a week (760mgs)

Most people I knew could only manage two and then they had anxiety and crazed thoughts, not to mention huge low back pumps

Yes exactly- absolutely no way you could take 10 of them a week.
My Training partner Back then was Mr Britain & Mr Universe winner & is fair to .
Say he liked he's gear 😊 not mad just used plenty - Both he & I were using
2 a week along with sust , we decide to go to 3 a week & after 2 wks we couldn't
Do squats / deadlifts / bent rows as our low back completely siezed up,
Went like concrete we had to lay face down & wait for it to ease off.
We soon went back to 2 a week.

Dorian said the same as he could just about handle 3 a week any more & the
Exact same happened to him low back siezed up.

Though the effects of just 2 a week were startling for me I was ripped almost
Contest ready - very strong & recovered quickly.

[Van_Bilderass]

I stand corrected

I dont think Van has ever had them, likley copies back then

I bought a couple in like 96, I think they were real because there wasn't any quantity of them available, were just a couple of leftovers. Didn't see them after that. The ones today are better because they can get 100mg+ to hold in a ml LOL. The UG Winstrol today is miles better too. Zambon was 50mg and often clogged a needle, today you can have 100mg micronized stanozolol that is less painful and basically flows through an insulin needle almost. I shot Zambon with a 1.2mm/16 gauge needle to avoid the hassle of having it clog.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes exactly- absolutely no way you could take 10 of them a week.

What exactly would happen if you took 10 a week? The lower back would seize up even more? My back was so painful off 20mg Dbol in the beginning I could hardly drive home after gym sometimes. How come I could then later take 150mg of the same ones without issue? One friend took 10mg of Dbol and complained of pumps, I emptied 3 blisters into my hand along with 10 Dymetadrine ephedrines before a workout and he was like "NO WAY BRO, YOU'RE GOING INTO LIVER FAILURE!"

[illuminati]

What exactly would happen if you took 10 a week? The lower back would seize up even more? My back was so painful off 20mg Dbol in the beginning I could hardly drive home after gym sometimes. How come I could then later take 150mg of the same ones without issue? One friend took 10mg of Dbol and complained of pumps, I emptied 3 blisters into my hand along with 10 Dymetadrine ephedrines before a workout and he was like "NO WAY BRO, YOU'RE GOING INTO LIVER FAILURE!"

I have no idea what would happen if you took 10 shots
As I said my training partner & I could get along with 3 - so there was no
Way we'd be trying 4,5,6 & beyond.

[Van_Bilderass]

The other dude claimed he used about the same cept he used 100 durabllom and 15:mgs var with 250 test

I looked very good on 200 test and 200 deca

What was the name of that fella who trained with Mentzer after Mentzer stopped competing, he's on the youtubes still? I think he said they both took 300mg of Durabolin a day. Then he said Mentzer demanded he be driven to crack houses to buy meth.