Author Topic: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10  (Read 9099 times)

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #125 on: September 11, 2025, 03:35:53 AM »
True.

The enemy is every single person who celebrated or wished this upon this human on a public forum.  Hunt them down and prosecute them.  These are the people that fuel the true lunatics on both sides who would be willing to act.

That's what helps, not going "well, they kill one of us, so we gots to get revenge", which is exactly the type of shit that is likely to occur.

You must not be an American if you think this is an appropriate response.


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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #126 on: September 11, 2025, 03:41:18 AM »
Actually, I just read his quote about gun deaths being the price of having liberty.  Bit less benign than just pwning the trans.  Ballsy thing to say.  Bigger balls than me.  I'd be worried that at least one person would be "well I had a kid die last year in a school shooting, my life is over to me and you're someone I can focus my anger on".  Incredible balls to say it, regardless of the very rational argument he made about it being the same as automotive incidents.  Still not deserved but that's the difference between the rational and irrational response to saying that.

You don't think its a bit weird to conflate cars and guns? its like saying its fine for people to choke to death, thats the price of nourishment!

There is a gradient here, imo and that is a false analogy. Mine follows the same logic.

The difference is intention, guns are for damage, they are weapons by very definition, cars and dildos can be weapons but thats not their intention, that matters immensely.

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2025, 03:46:08 AM »
You must not be an American if you think this is an appropriate response.

what would you think is the right response?

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #128 on: September 11, 2025, 03:55:30 AM »

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #129 on: September 11, 2025, 04:05:21 AM »
You don't think its a bit weird to conflate cars and guns? its like saying its fine for people to choke to death, thats the price of nourishment!

There is a gradient here, imo and that is a false analogy. Mine follows the same logic.

The difference is intention, guns are for damage, they are weapons by very definition, cars and dildos can be weapons but thats not their intention, that matters immensely.

I do think it is weird but I also have long come to accept that many Americans truly do see bearing arms as important as any other right.  From that frame of reference, it is not weird.



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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2025, 04:09:42 AM »
You must not be an American if you think this is an appropriate response.

Yeah it is a bit totalitarian

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #131 on: September 11, 2025, 04:20:49 AM »
Since he's a Christian he is now in heaven with The Lord Jesus Christ

And since he was a freedom of speech advocate then most likely a libertarian

RIP my brother in Christ

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #132 on: September 11, 2025, 04:24:51 AM »
RIP my brother in Christ

Wait, you believe in christ?

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #133 on: September 11, 2025, 04:25:44 AM »
Since he's a Christian he is now in heaven with The Lord Jesus Christ

And since he was a freedom of speech advocate then most likely a libertarian

RIP my brother in Christ

no shock you are a fan- found this.

In one exchange that has again gone viral, Kirk was asked during a public forum how he would respond if his own daughter, at the age of 10, were raped and became pregnant. His response underscored his rigid opposition to abortion in any circumstance.

“That’s awfully graphic,” Kirk said. “But the answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.”




fuck him. anyone else support this bullshit is a  sick fuck.
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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #134 on: September 11, 2025, 04:30:36 AM »
You don't think its a bit weird to conflate cars and guns? its like saying its fine for people to choke to death, thats the price of nourishment!

There is a gradient here, imo and that is a false analogy. Mine follows the same logic.

The difference is intention, guns are for damage, they are weapons by very definition, cars and dildos can be weapons but thats not their intention, that matters immensely.

I don't accept this. It's not so much about the intention as it is about the legitimacy of their function. Cars transport us from A to B; guns defend us. Both functions can be abused and both can cause unintended deaths, but it can be argued that their legitimate uses justify their existence.

If you look at it from a standpoint of basic human rights, in that we recognize an individual's inherent moral worth and their right to not be robbed or raped, then we can conclude that violence is sometimes legitimate. We appeal to our capacity to reason in order to recognize and uphold these rights, but that capacity is irreparably damaged in some individuals, and so the use of force is justified in self-defense.

In realizing that the world is not a utopia, and that the only realistic way for the hypothetical woman in, say, South Africa to protect herself from being raped and murdered is to arm herself with a weapon, I struggle to accept the idea of delegating the monopoly on violence solely to the state, and I can't think of anything more unpalatable than to argue that poor people should 'just move' to somewhere safer.

The point about trade-offs should not be so flippantly dismissed, in my opinion. It is worthy of serious thought.

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #135 on: September 11, 2025, 04:31:15 AM »

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #136 on: September 11, 2025, 04:36:13 AM »
Sorry but trumps 'assasination' attempt seems fake as hell. Charlie did what people do when shot they die, sadly. They dont jump up and shout campaign slogans.

And sorry to say it but saying God will look over his family..... why didnt God stop the bullet?

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #137 on: September 11, 2025, 04:50:33 AM »
Lot of quite rational thoughts on here, kudos.

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #138 on: September 11, 2025, 04:54:16 AM »
A senseless shame......I loved watching his debates.

RIP

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #139 on: September 11, 2025, 05:11:10 AM »
Rermarkable how the situation here in Europe is exactly the same as in the USA: only right wing politicians and influencers are being murderered. And the narrative in all left wing media is the same: The people getting assassinated are to blame!

They should have kept their mouths shut, and should have done what the leftists elites want them to do and say. Other opinions are not tolerated.

I had never heard of Charlie Kirk, but it's news too here in Northern Europe in msm. Germany:


https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/charlie-kirks-letztes-wort-war-gewalt-dann-traf-ihn-die-kugel-68c21ecd14783f3062eebb88

Belgium:

https://www.hln.be/buitenland/schutter-van-charlie-kirk-31-nog-steeds-op-de-vlucht-beelden-tonen-vermoedelijke-dader-op-dak~a8bb03b6


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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #140 on: September 11, 2025, 05:20:49 AM »
i wish every liberal democrat and every black in america would just vanish.. the rapture for retards

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #141 on: September 11, 2025, 05:34:19 AM »
Wait, you believe in christ?

This discredits all of your comments.  Pay attention

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #142 on: September 11, 2025, 05:36:01 AM »
Sorry but trumps 'assasination' attempt seems fake as hell. Charlie did what people do when shot they die, sadly. They dont jump up and shout campaign slogans.

And sorry to say it but saying God will look over his family..... why didnt God stop the bullet?

Dude, come one man, you think he took a graze to the ear for show? Is he William Tells son? I think Trump has a superiority complex and this incident just further solidified that thought. Much like any other guy in history who survived attempts. Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin etc.

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #143 on: September 11, 2025, 05:40:11 AM »
Incredible number of pussy leftist comments made in this thread in the wee hours.  Disarm yourselves if you want, hell just get down on your knees and beg your government not to put you in jail for speaking your mind.

Now start whining about Islamophobia today on 9/11

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #144 on: September 11, 2025, 05:54:31 AM »
I don't accept this. It's not so much about the intention as it is about the legitimacy of their function. Cars transport us from A to B; guns defend us. Both functions can be abused and both can cause unintended deaths, but it can be argued that their legitimate uses justify their existence.

If you look at it from a standpoint of basic human rights, in that we recognize an individual's inherent moral worth and their right to not be robbed or raped, then we can conclude that violence is sometimes legitimate. We appeal to our capacity to reason in order to recognize and uphold these rights, but that capacity is irreparably damaged in some individuals, and so the use of force is justified in self-defense.

In realizing that the world is not a utopia, and that the only realistic way for the hypothetical woman in, say, South Africa to protect herself from being raped and murdered is to arm herself with a weapon, I struggle to accept the idea of delegating the monopoly on violence solely to the state, and I can't think of anything more unpalatable than to argue that poor people should 'just move' to somewhere safer.

The point about trade-offs should not be so flippantly dismissed, in my opinion. It is worthy of serious thought.

Guns are certainly not intended to defend, that is anthropomophizing guns which you didnt do with the cars, false equivalence. Guns are for neither offense or defense- in fact its non-sensical to state they are soley for defense as you cannot have defense without offense, the terms inhere in one another, offense haunts defense as it were. Guns are weapons- both offense and defense, they are violent instruments by the very definition.

The use of force is justified in many instances, there is no peace without violence nor the inverse, however, the idea that guns are needed in the manner in which they are currently manifested in the states is not in line with that.  There is obviously a spectrum here.

If guns were ensuring safety, surely the crimes rates would reflect this? that would be one variable.

There is a point where saturation occurs and instead of providing safety they produce the opposite. Look at capitalism- it is a method for wealth accumulation however, unchecked capitalism turns into extractivism that removes resources from the environment and collects that "wealth" in the hands of the few while conditions for the lower classes continues to deteriorate- its the inherent design of capitalism. Guns do the same thing and I think the stats bare this out quite clearly.

The other issue with your rape scenario is that the weapon is meant to level the playing field- ie the man is no longer stronger than the woman per se- however, if the man has the gun also, this levels that out and then rape becomes subject to opportunity and chance. The woman would have to be hypervigilant, always ready etc...

I don't deny some form of defense is warranted I just think free and unfettered access is culminating in some dangerous situations. What is to stop a lunatic right winger from retaliating now? shouldn't law enforcement be up to the police?

Nothing is perfect so and this is a complex system so the results should be the dictate.

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #145 on: September 11, 2025, 05:57:17 AM »
Incredible number of pussy leftist comments made in this thread in the wee hours.  Disarm yourselves if you want, hell just get down on your knees and beg your government not to put you in jail for speaking your mind.

Now start whining about Islamophobia today on 9/11

Lol they would fucking napalm carpet bomb you with drones and you wouldnt be able to do a thing lolol. The tough guy american trope is hilarious. Our founders in fucking 1791 said we should have guns to protect from the government, that still applies! fucking muskets vs muskets and a shank.


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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #146 on: September 11, 2025, 06:03:07 AM »
Might makes Right.  Some things never change.

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Re: Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah University
« Reply #147 on: September 11, 2025, 06:04:26 AM »
Inside job?

To distract from the Epstein files.   :-X

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Re: RIP - Charlie Kirk Shot Dead at Utah University - 2025-09-10
« Reply #148 on: September 11, 2025, 06:07:55 AM »
you guys are fucking insane lololol.

you guys have over 57 times the number of school shootings vs the next country. The number of mass shootings are similar and the amount of firearm deaths are 26 times higher then other high income countries.

You guys aren't doing shit to stop the government at this point with the tech they have and all this tough guy nonsense and retarded gun laws are ending up in deaths. I would think having kids shot at the rate they are would be enough but I guess not!!

More stupidity in the name of some retarded ideology based on a idea written in the 1790s when you could actually do something with those arms against the government.

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Re: Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah University
« Reply #149 on: September 11, 2025, 06:08:49 AM »
You forget what I do

What do you do?

Runs around larping and pretending like he's an insider to the LE and "Tact" world.