Bum Energy

[LurkerNoMore]

Bought these Saturday at the Vitamin Shoppe $1 sale (and a couple of his pre workout formulas - which I haven't tried) and I have to say these are really very good taste wise.  The Root Beer tastes just like a Barqs root beer cola.  The grape tastes like Fanta.  5 stars for taste.  Contents?  Well only 112mg of caffeine.  Which some people are not going to be happy with, but for me is perfect.  A BANG of C4 usually lasts me 3 days because I only drink 1/3(ish) per morning.  So these are exactly what suits me best although I can understand people wanting more sizzle in it for them.

Verdict : Great for the $1 price, would not pay $2.99 for them unless the caffeine was boosted.

[Van_Bilderass]

I always say caffeine is a dirty stim and more is not better

For some reason coffee seems to hit me harder than energy drinks. Anyone else? Could it be the taurine in many of them as it's bit of a depressant on the CNS?

Lurker, what do you think of theanine, does it add or take away from caffeine? It's like taurine, can smooth out caffeine and reduce the stim effect some. What "boosters" that work are you thinking of?

[Rambone]

Bought these Saturday at the Vitamin Shoppe $1 sale (and a couple of his pre workout formulas - which I haven't tried) and I have to say these are really very good taste wise.  The Root Beer tastes just like a Barqs root beer cola.  The grape tastes like Fanta.  5 stars for taste.  Contents?  Well only 112mg of caffeine.  Which some people are not going to be happy with, but for me is perfect.  A BANG of C4 usually lasts me 3 days because I only drink 1/3(ish) per morning.  So these are exactly what suits me best although I can understand people wanting more sizzle in it for them.

Verdict : Great for the $1 price, would not pay $2.99 for them unless the caffeine was boosted.

Agreed. Root beer is excellent!

[Van_Bilderass]

3 bucks is a stiff price. Looked at the ingredients and it does contain a good dose of Citicholine so there's that. Something like Huperzine-A would be felt more but could cause sides. Tyrosine or NALT could be a good addition for these. Usually energy drinks aren't worth the money IMO since it's just flavoring and caffeine, unless the taste is worth the money. Coffee is stronger and more economic plus it's a good source of antioxidants.

My brother bought a PWO which has 350mg of caffeine and said it was bunk as he didn't feel shit. Had a high dose of beta-alanine, tyrosine etc too. I got the nasty itching and it was too "strong" for my taste due to the caffeine mega dose, don't know wtf he was talking about.

[BigRo]

3 bucks is a stiff price. Looked at the ingredients and it does contain a good dose of Citicholine so there's that. Something like Huperzine-A would be felt more but could cause sides. Tyrosine or NALT could be a good addition for these. Usually energy drinks aren't worth the money IMO since it's just flavoring and caffeine, unless the taste is worth the money. Coffee is stronger and more economic plus it's a good source of antioxidants.

My brother bought a PWO which has 350mg of caffeine and said it was bunk as he didn't feel shit. Had a high dose of beta-alanine, tyrosine etc too. I got the nasty itching and it was too "strong" for my taste due to the caffeine mega dose, don't know wtf he was talking about.

You consider 350mgs to be mega dosing? Are you sensitive to caffiene?

[LurkerNoMore]

You consider 350mgs to be mega dosing? Are you sensitive to caffiene?

I am.  1/3 of a Bang or Ghost is just right for me.

[Irongrip400]

I drink coffee, but caffeine doesn’t do shit for me energy wise but my sensitivity to it is weird. If I drink it after 2-3 in the afternoon I don’t sleep as well but it doesn’t give me a kick. Its similar to the handful of times I took adderall where it gave me a jolt for 2-3 hours but then nothing other than I slept like shit that night.

[webstar]

What’s everyone’s daily caffeine intake?

I’m about 300-350 mg

Don’t like coffee so drink pre workout in the am

Double scoop always

[Lartinos]

I only drink a coffee or two a day.

Once in a blue I’ll take an ephedrine too, but not something I take often.

[BigRo]

3-4 coffees, occasional pre workout or monster

[Never1AShow]

2 cups of coffee and about 6 diet cokes, so about 500 mgs of caffeine a day

[Never1AShow]

2 cups of coffee and about 6 diet cokes, so about 500 mgs of caffeine a day

[Never1AShow]

2 cups of coffee and about 6 diet cokes, so about 500 mgs of caffeine a day

[Kwon]

What’s everyone’s daily caffeine intake?

I’m about 300-350 mg

Don’t like coffee so drink pre workout in the am

Double scoop always

No caffeine here at all, but around 200g Protein per day

[Van_Bilderass]

You consider 350mgs to be mega dosing? Are you sensitive to caffiene?

It is a megadose IMO, it's too much for most people and will leave them feeling sick. Now let me tell you I'm no stranger to real monster dosages. At 15-16 years old already I was regularly taking 1,500mg of caffeine before workouts!!! I like getting really stimmed but caffeine feels dirty. I love actual amphetamines and other stims that release a lot of dopamine or block its reuptake such as Ritalin and which hit the nervous system more cleanly without making you feeling sick with a lot of anxiety. One mild stim which is non-exhausting on the CNS is bromantane and I like it a lot. One Aussie fella here tried it after I talked about and he thought it was great. I think you can probably get a hold of it easily in case you'd like to try it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromantane

Maybe Lurker might want to give it a test too? Or perhaps beakdoctor? It's available from some supp manufacturers.

[BigRo]

It is a megadose IMO, it's too much for most people and will leave them feeling sick. Now let me tell you I'm no stranger to real monster dosages. At 15-16 years old already I was regularly taking 1,500mg of caffeine before workouts!!! I like getting really stimmed but caffeine feels dirty. I love actual amphetamines and other stims that release a lot of dopamine or block its reuptake such as Ritalin and which hit the nervous system more cleanly without making you feeling sick with a lot of anxiety. One mild stim which is non-exhausting on the CNS is bromantane and I like it a lot. One Aussie fella here tried it after I talked about and he thought it was great. I think you can probably get a hold of it easily in case you'd like to try it

I don't consider that much, it's just one heaped scoop of pre or a couple coffees.

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't consider that much, it's just one heaped scoop of pre or a couple coffees.

Yeah experiences vary. It doesn't make me feel that good, just more nervous and irritable. I always drink a coffee with any stim I take, it's a nice booster at low dosage.

As I've said a hundred times here, I don't understand why Americans here who like PWOs don't use ephedrine. It's such nice little stim, so much better to take a small ephedrine plus caffeine stack than a high dose caffeine dose. Is ephedrine at all available where you're at?

[BigRo]

We used to get eca here but not for a long while, ephedrine is fantastic, I have used liquid ephedrine in the states.

[BB]

Is ephedrine at all available where you're at?

It's become a pain in the ass. You can buy a set amount (2-3 boxes or 9 grams total) per month, but they to take down your personal info and log it in, and you have to wait for who has control over it to fetch it from the back, etc..... The bigger problem is finding a pharmacy that wants to deal with it. It's a low profit and low want drug, so many won't order much or any of it. I usually have to go to old areas with an older population to find it.

[MorganSA]

Citrulline works well with a single cup of filter (5g citrulline in a separate kool aid like drink (Isotonic Game Cherry Berry)), like super actual proper well. Next step is adding Arginine and Beta Alanine (I have beetroot powder and should kinda do that as well but it is gross)

Sorry for the peanut gallery comment - but I do stand by the above in terms of increasing workout intensity.

[Van_Bilderass]

We used to get eca here but not for a long while, ephedrine is fantastic, I have used liquid ephedrine in the states.

There were and are injectable ephedrine amps but I never got to try it. I doubt it would hit better than oral but would have liked to try just for the novelty. The meth trade put such heavy restrictions on it that it's very hard to come by now. For a while there were these crude Pakistani 30mg pills which I ordered from the UK, but this was like 15 years ago. Before that there were Spanish and Turkish 50mg pills. My first ephedrine was Dymetadrine which my cousin picked up for me from a Venice CA supp shop in like 1995

I know you're in Ireland but I know at least in the UK you can get "everything" it seems to me. My UK ephedrine source also carried Ritalin at the time and that is much better than ephedrine of course. I'd argue a clean but strong stim, in reasonable therapeutic doses, isn't any more dangerous for your health than high doses of caffeine.

Citrulline works well with a single cup of filter (5g citrulline in a separate kool aid like drink (Isotonic Game Cherry Berry)), like super actual proper well. Next step is adding Arginine and Beta Alanine (I have beetroot powder and should kinda do that as well but it is gross)

Sorry for the peanut gallery comment - but I do stand by the above in terms of increasing workout intensity.

I believe in your experience but I don't get any nervous system effects from citrulline or arginine so they don't enhance 'intensity' so to speak, at least not for me. They aren't supposed to be stimulatory in any way. A 3-5 gram dose of tyrosine otoh does have effects, especially if combined with stims. Lots of people have come to associate the itchiness of beta-alanine with getting "up" for workouts but I think it's just psychological conditioning due to it being paired with caffeine. you feel the itch and now it's time to workout. You could make a similar association with a smell, sound or even a color too IMO. Ever notice how stim caps are often red and supps for sleep are blue?

[LurkerNoMore]

It is a megadose IMO, it's too much for most people and will leave them feeling sick. Now let me tell you I'm no stranger to real monster dosages. At 15-16 years old already I was regularly taking 1,500mg of caffeine before workouts!!! I like getting really stimmed but caffeine feels dirty. I love actual amphetamines and other stims that release a lot of dopamine or block its reuptake such as Ritalin and which hit the nervous system more cleanly without making you feeling sick with a lot of anxiety. One mild stim which is non-exhausting on the CNS is bromantane and I like it a lot. One Aussie fella here tried it after I talked about and he thought it was great. I think you can probably get a hold of it easily in case you'd like to try it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromantane

Maybe Lurker might want to give it a test too? Or perhaps beakdoctor? It's available from some supp manufacturers.

Do you have a link for purchasing in the US?

[BB]

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/meth/trg_retail_081106.pdf .

The DEA guide on Ephedrine, page 14 gives the buying limits. More tabs than I thought, but you can read through the book, and see all the little rules, also note state laws are different.

[Kwon]

What’s everyone’s daily caffeine intake?

I’m about 300-350 mg

Don’t like coffee so drink pre workout in the am

Double scoop always

No caffeine here at all, but around 200g Protein per day