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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2025, 01:27:07 PM »
where did I state it was unconstitutional?


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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2025, 01:28:34 PM »
where did I state it was unconstitutional?

Are you high (again)?  You said California did it democratically, unlike Texas.  Just stop already.  You are really embarrassing yourself. 

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2025, 01:32:38 PM »
Are you high (again)?  You said California did it democratically, unlike Texas.  Just stop already.  You are really embarrassing yourself.

1 I am sober thank you for checking in on me, I know you are concerned.

2. don't tell me when to stop

3.  I am referring to by the people, meaning the wishes of the people.

Now, before you go crazy about the reps being the will of the people, please see my point I have been trying to make for a page now.

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2025, 02:53:15 PM »
1 I am sober thank you for checking in on me, I know you are concerned.

2. don't tell me when to stop

3.  I am referring to by the people, meaning the wishes of the people.

Now, before you go crazy about the reps being the will of the people, please see my point I have been trying to make for a page now.

I'm pretty sure YOU don't understand the point you're trying to make.  You're saying the referendum process in California is fairer than the representative process in Texas.  And you said this because of how red Texas is. What I tried to explain to you is California is blue, so the referendum process in California will be largely controlled by Democrats.  So your point is neither factual nor logical.  There is a reason why we don't have a direct democracy and limit things that can be decided by popular votes. 

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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2025, 03:22:37 PM »
I'm pretty sure YOU don't understand the point you're trying to make.  You're saying the referendum process in California is fairer than the representative process in Texas.  And you said this because of how red Texas is. What I tried to explain to you is California is blue, so the referendum process in California will be largely controlled by Democrats.  So your point is neither factual nor logical.  There is a reason why we don't have a direct democracy and limit things that can be decided by popular votes.

I realize cali is blue, however, people can decide to vote differently in a democracy. My point is both logical and factual.

Your last sentence is really non-sequitor as cali just help a vote via direct democracy on the gerrymandering, so ipso facto this is the type of thing one can have a direct democratic vote on. There was a possiblity that the people would reject it because they disagreed. However, reps have invested power in the sense that gaining more seats for their party is salutary and they have to tow a party line.

There is a clear difference here, why you aren't acknowledging it and harping on this is beyond me.

The point is this. Why did texax gerrymander? what was the purpose, ultimately? can you answer that question?

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2025, 03:39:31 PM »
1 I am sober thank you for checking in on me, I know you are concerned.

2. don't tell me when to stop

3.  I am referring to by the people, meaning the wishes of the people.

Now, before you go crazy about the reps being the will of the people, please see my point I have been trying to make for a page now.
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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2025, 05:03:01 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2025, 05:24:11 PM »
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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2025, 05:36:10 PM »
I realize cali is blue, however, people can decide to vote differently in a democracy. My point is both logical and factual.

Your last sentence is really non-sequitor as cali just help a vote via direct democracy on the gerrymandering, so ipso facto this is the type of thing one can have a direct democratic vote on. There was a possiblity that the people would reject it because they disagreed. However, reps have invested power in the sense that gaining more seats for their party is salutary and they have to tow a party line.

There is a clear difference here, why you aren't acknowledging it and harping on this is beyond me.

The point is this. Why did texax gerrymander? what was the purpose, ultimately? can you answer that question?

Sorry but your point makes no sense.  The limited number of things that can be decided by direct democracy (i.e., referendum) can result in a skewered result based on geography.  There is nothing that makes it more fair than a representative system.  And that's why the overwhelming majority of our state and federal government runs through representatives, including in California. 

Texas gerrymandered in response to Democrats gerrymandering. 

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2025, 03:43:32 AM »
Sorry but your point makes no sense.  The limited number of things that can be decided by direct democracy (i.e., referendum) can result in a skewered result based on geography.  There is nothing that makes it more fair than a representative system.  And that's why the overwhelming majority of our state and federal government runs through representatives, including in California. 

Texas gerrymandered in response to Democrats gerrymandering.

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ok nevermind, you don't live in reality
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/california-playbook/2025/08/25/how-california-dems-bluffed-their-way-into-a-gerrymandering-showdown-00522510

https://calmatters.org/politics/2025/08/california-republicans-newsom-redistricting-texas/


hahaha, it was a clear response to abbott, he even went as far to say he wouldn't and matched the number of seats. Abbott did it at trumps behest. If you can't even admit simple facts I don;t know what to tell you.

I think its quite obvious the timeline unless you think newsom can go back in time. It also fits with the rights refusal to end this type of shit or remediate it, voting against it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/aug/21/gavin-newsom/california-texas-independent-redistricting/

You are in a cult if you think Trump saying he is owed 5 seats is fine.



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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2025, 09:22:11 AM »
LOL

ok nevermind, you don't live in reality
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/california-playbook/2025/08/25/how-california-dems-bluffed-their-way-into-a-gerrymandering-showdown-00522510

https://calmatters.org/politics/2025/08/california-republicans-newsom-redistricting-texas/


hahaha, it was a clear response to abbott, he even went as far to say he wouldn't and matched the number of seats. Abbott did it at trumps behest. If you can't even admit simple facts I don;t know what to tell you.

I think its quite obvious the timeline unless you think newsom can go back in time. It also fits with the rights refusal to end this type of shit or remediate it, voting against it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/aug/21/gavin-newsom/california-texas-independent-redistricting/

You are in a cult if you think Trump saying he is owed 5 seats is fine.

You’re not following your own comments and questions.  You asked why Texas did it, not why California did it.  Texas did it to respond to years of Democrat gerrymandering.  California simply responded to Texas.  Not complicated. 

You are trolling again.  You have not followed the gerrymandering issue.  You should do some homework. 

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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2025, 10:17:19 AM »
You’re not following your own comments and questions.  You asked why Texas did it, not why California did it.  Texas did it to respond to years of Democrat gerrymandering.  California simply responded to Texas.  Not complicated. 

You are trolling again.  You have not followed the gerrymandering issue.  You should do some homework.


what democratic gerrymandering are you referring to? I would have assumed you were mentioning newsoms since nothing else had been mentioned nor is the thread about that.

What specific gerrymandering are you referring to? I was unaware of any gerrymandering that occurred in lib districts recently that would warrant retaliation. Enlighten me.

I am only aware of texas doing mid decade twice now, nebraska, missouri and now cali. North carolina has or is in the process.

It would really seem like the right are really pushing the envelope here. The new york redistricting benefitted repubs as far as I know.

What cases are you referring to specifically?

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2025, 10:25:04 AM »

what democratic gerrymandering are you referring to? I would have assumed you were mentioning newsoms since nothing else had been mentioned nor is the thread about that.

What specific gerrymandering are you referring to? I was unaware of any gerrymandering that occurred in lib districts recently that would warrant retaliation. Enlighten me.

I am only aware of texas doing mid decade twice now, nebraska, missouri and now cali. North carolina has or is in the process.

It would really seem like the right are really pushing the envelope here. The new york redistricting benefitted repubs as far as I know.

What cases are you referring to specifically?

I’m not doing your homework for you.  You can use Google just as easily as I can.  That said, it has happened all over the country, including Illinois, North Carolina, Maryland, etc.  Not hard to find. 

Remember what you asked me:  why did Texas do this.  The answer is it was a response to what has happened in numerous states. 

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« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2025, 10:32:30 AM »
I’m not doing your homework for you.  You can use Google just as easily as I can.  That said, it has happened all over the country, including Illinois, North Carolina, Maryland, etc.  Not hard to find. 

Remember what you asked me:  why did Texas do this.  The answer is it was a response to what has happened in numerous states.

no no, the answer you gave which was somewhat veiled as you knew what I was asking, was that it was in response to the democrats doing it for years. Now you have moved the goalposts to it happening in numerous states- the leanings of those states is pretty important if we are talking reciprocation dont you think.

It appears I know more about it than you, you literally just regurgitated what I stated and if that's all you have then as I suspected, the actual answer is that trump is conducting a power grab (he is owed 5 seats mind you) and abbott obliged. Meaning this situation is untethered from anything previous and is simply a singularity based on trumps wants.

Meanwhile, the democrats did it in retaliation, which ironically enough is your justification for abbott doing it, which we have established he did not in fact do it in that context.

Is there anything else you would like to discuss?

Are you aware of your manipulation and dishonesty? seriously? deep down you must know right? you do this weird sticking to the literal question when it suits you then switch to being abstract and expansive when it doesn't, avoiding any solidity in your position. It's a little fraudsterish

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2025, 10:46:05 AM »
no no, the answer you gave which was somewhat veiled as you knew what I was asking, was that it was in response to the democrats doing it for years. Now you have moved the goalposts to it happening in numerous states- the leanings of those states is pretty important if we are talking reciprocation dont you think.

It appears I know more about it than you, you literally just regurgitated what I stated and if that's all you have then as I suspected, the actual answer is that trump is conducting a power grab (he is owed 5 seats mind you) and abbott obliged. Meaning this situation is untethered ::) ::) :P :P from anything previous and is simply a singularity based on trumps wants.

Meanwhile, the democrats did it in retaliation, which ironically enough is your justification for abbott doing it, which we have established he did not in fact do it in that context.

Is there anything else you would like to discuss?

Are you aware of your manipulation and dishonesty? seriously? deep down you must know right? you do this weird sticking to the literal question when it suits you then switch to being abstract and expansive when it doesn't, avoiding any solidity in your position. It's a little fraudsterish

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2025, 10:50:39 AM »
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« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2025, 10:57:42 AM »
Low effort, I can see you are losing steam. Enjoy your day. I will sleep well tonight from these victories. My crushing insecurity is abated for at least 20 hours.

No that’s me being nice instead of lobbing the insults I wanted to say.  Lol

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2025, 11:01:16 AM »
No that’s me being nice instead of lobbing the insults I wanted to say.  Lol


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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2025, 11:21:46 AM »

A touch gay and the second sign of high estrogen ;D ;D

This is the second time you have said being nice is gay (the other was Illuminati and Prime being nice to each other).  Being nice is not gay.  It’s just being decent.  Hard to grasp with all the keyboard warriors on the internet, but it’s a good thing. 

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« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2025, 01:09:42 PM »
This is the second time you have said being nice is gay (the other was Illuminati and Prime being nice to each other).  Being nice is not gay.  It’s just being decent.  Hard to grasp with all the keyboard warriors on the internet, but it’s a good thing. 

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LOL i can't tell if your serious

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2025, 03:38:40 PM »
You’re not following your own comments and questions.  You asked why Texas did it, not why California did it.  Texas did it to respond to years of Democrat gerrymandering.  California simply responded to Texas.  Not complicated. 

You are trolling again.  You have not followed the gerrymandering issue.  You should do some homework.

Texas became a Republican dominated state in the 1990's and has consistently been so ever since then. So when exactly did all those "years of Democrat gerrrymandering" take place? Texas has a long and extensively litigated history of gerrymandering, most notably for congressional maps adopted in 2003, 2021, and 2025

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« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2025, 06:29:13 PM »
LOL i can't tell if your serious

"Being nice is not gay" lmao.  Dude, the context of this conversation, two grown men and you trying to parent me from a distance is hilarious. Yes, being nice is part of being a good human being, sometimes compassion is hard, like the wack of a keisaku though. Suffering breeds kindness.

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Re: California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering
« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2025, 06:42:09 PM »
Texas became a Republican dominated state in the 1990's and has consistently been so ever since then. So when exactly did all those "years of Democrat gerrrymandering" take place? Texas has a long and extensively litigated history of gerrymandering, most notably for congressional maps adopted in 2003, 2021, and 2025
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By not acknowledging the current political battle between California and Texas over congressional representation, the question fails to capture that redistricting frequency has become a strategic political weapon rather than just a routine administrative process following census data.
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