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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2025, 09:55:33 AM »
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/samuel-little-most-prolific-serial-killer-in-us-history-100619

^^^^ a lot of killing.

not many black serial killers, its because the get their dumbass caught on their first attempt

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2025, 10:03:13 AM »
not many black serial killers, its because the get their dumbass caught on their first attempt
This guys span was from the 70`s to the early 2000`s I believe......never heard of him in my life then caught a documentary about him.


He just kept steadily moving around the country killing mostly hookers.

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2025, 10:12:57 AM »
This guys span was from the 70`s to the early 2000`s I believe......never heard of him in my life then caught a documentary about him.


He just kept steadily moving around the country killing mostly hookers.

maybe he never got any publicity due to white supremacist serial killers taking all the jobs.

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2025, 10:16:12 AM »
maybe he never got any publicity due to white supremacist serial killers taking all the jobs.
More than likely.......no DEI back in those days!  LOL   ;D

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2025, 03:17:47 PM »
Dahmer apparently didn't fight back when he was getting beaten to death. He did something like sigh, and say that he knew this was going to happen someday.

In America,they've said this guy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Carignan , was one of the most imposing serial killers in physicality and manner.
I never heard of him, I'll do some research

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2025, 03:19:20 PM »

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2025, 03:22:33 PM »
I believe Richard Ramirez was 6'1'' and about 140 lbs, he was skinny, Dahmer was 6' tall I think and heavier, maybe 150 lbs? I'm not sure

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2025, 03:35:21 PM »
I would say a fight would be close, no? how about Ted Bundy?

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2025, 04:11:32 PM »

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2025, 12:29:08 AM »
Late 60's-early 90's was the heyday for serial killers. What caused so many in those decades?

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2025, 01:47:56 AM »
Late 60's-early 90's was the heyday for serial killers. What caused so many in those decades?

1. Social Upheaval and Cultural Change

The 1960s–70s brought enormous cultural disruption:
   •   Breakdown of traditional structures — family, church, and community cohesion weakened; social norms shifted dramatically.
   •   Alienation and dislocation — rapid urbanization and mobility led to more anonymous, fragmented lives.
   •   Some killers, like Bundy or Kemper, seemed to channel a sense of rage toward changing gender roles or perceived social chaos.

This was the era of the sexual revolution, Vietnam War trauma, the civil rights movement, and distrust of institutions — all of which contributed to psychic instability and loss of moral authority in the culture.



2. Childhood Trauma and Postwar Family Dynamics

The post–World War II baby boom produced a large generation growing up in:
   •   Dysfunctional or abusive homes (often unacknowledged, as child abuse wasn’t widely recognized then).
   •   Emotionally distant parenting — in the 1950s and 60s, physical punishment and emotional repression were normalized.
Many serial killers from this period (e.g., Gacy, Dahmer, and Ridgway) had severe early trauma, attachment failures, or brain injuries that went untreated.



3. Opportunity and Mobility
   •   Interstate highways made it far easier to travel and commit crimes across state lines.
   •   Anonymous urban life and transient jobs (like truck driving) allowed offenders to operate undetected.
   •   Hitchhiking culture created a large population of vulnerable victims — young people traveling alone, often without records.



4. Weak Forensic and Police Technology

Before the mid-1990s:
   •   There were no national databases for DNA or fingerprints (CODIS wasn’t established until 1998).
   •   Jurisdictions rarely shared information, meaning a killer could murder in multiple states without being connected.
   •   The FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit only started in the 1970s; profiling was in its infancy.

So many of the “infamous” serial killers were able to kill dozens of times before being caught simply because law enforcement lacked the tools we take for granted today.



5. Media Amplification
   •   The rise of television and mass media sensationalized killers, creating a feedback loop.
   •   Some offenders (like Bundy or BTK) sought fame or control through media coverage, reinforcing the phenomenon.
   •   Cultural fascination with “evil” figures shaped both copycats and the mythology of the serial killer as a dark celebrity.



6. Decline After the 1990s

Since the late 1990s, serial killings have dramatically declined — largely due to:
   •   DNA technology and surveillance, which make serial crime far riskier.
   •   Fewer easy targets (no more hitchhiking culture, better communication, online traceability).
   •   Changes in family dynamics and child protection, reducing some of the earlier psychological risk factors.
   •   Some experts also suggest mass shootings and other forms of public violence have replaced serial killing as an outlet for certain pathologies.


In short:
The “golden age” of serial killers wasn’t just about individual pathology — it was the product of a historical moment where traumatized individuals, weak detection systems, and a society in flux all intersected.

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2025, 03:40:52 PM »

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #40 on: Today at 12:03:22 AM »

Guy had marriage proposals sent to him left and right. Must have been his good personality.

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #41 on: Today at 12:06:05 AM »
1. Social Upheaval and Cultural Change

The 1960s–70s brought enormous cultural disruption:
   •   Breakdown of traditional structures — family, church, and community cohesion weakened; social norms shifted dramatically.
   •   Alienation and dislocation — rapid urbanization and mobility led to more anonymous, fragmented lives.
   •   Some killers, like Bundy or Kemper, seemed to channel a sense of rage toward changing gender roles or perceived social chaos.

This was the era of the sexual revolution, Vietnam War trauma, the civil rights movement, and distrust of institutions — all of which contributed to psychic instability and loss of moral authority in the culture.



2. Childhood Trauma and Postwar Family Dynamics

The post–World War II baby boom produced a large generation growing up in:
   •   Dysfunctional or abusive homes (often unacknowledged, as child abuse wasn’t widely recognized then).
   •   Emotionally distant parenting — in the 1950s and 60s, physical punishment and emotional repression were normalized.
Many serial killers from this period (e.g., Gacy, Dahmer, and Ridgway) had severe early trauma, attachment failures, or brain injuries that went untreated.



3. Opportunity and Mobility
   •   Interstate highways made it far easier to travel and commit crimes across state lines.
   •   Anonymous urban life and transient jobs (like truck driving) allowed offenders to operate undetected.
   •   Hitchhiking culture created a large population of vulnerable victims — young people traveling alone, often without records.



4. Weak Forensic and Police Technology

Before the mid-1990s:
   •   There were no national databases for DNA or fingerprints (CODIS wasn’t established until 1998).
   •   Jurisdictions rarely shared information, meaning a killer could murder in multiple states without being connected.
   •   The FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit only started in the 1970s; profiling was in its infancy.

So many of the “infamous” serial killers were able to kill dozens of times before being caught simply because law enforcement lacked the tools we take for granted today.



5. Media Amplification
   •   The rise of television and mass media sensationalized killers, creating a feedback loop.
   •   Some offenders (like Bundy or BTK) sought fame or control through media coverage, reinforcing the phenomenon.
   •   Cultural fascination with “evil” figures shaped both copycats and the mythology of the serial killer as a dark celebrity.



6. Decline After the 1990s

Since the late 1990s, serial killings have dramatically declined — largely due to:
   •   DNA technology and surveillance, which make serial crime far riskier.
   •   Fewer easy targets (no more hitchhiking culture, better communication, online traceability).
   •   Changes in family dynamics and child protection, reducing some of the earlier psychological risk factors.
   •   Some experts also suggest mass shootings and other forms of public violence have replaced serial killing as an outlet for certain pathologies.


In short:
The “golden age” of serial killers wasn’t just about individual pathology — it was the product of a historical moment where traumatized individuals, weak detection systems, and a society in flux all intersected.
Good list. There was also a book claiming these guys all had connections to government as well (MK Ultra).

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #42 on: Today at 12:58:27 AM »
Unlikely to be any more serial killers nowadays with CCTV everywhere and mobile phone traceability.

If you want to kill multiple people it will have to be a one off mass shooting or move out into the sticks with no wifi


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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #43 on: Today at 02:14:02 AM »
Unlikely to be any more serial killers nowadays with CCTV everywhere and mobile phone traceability.

If you want to kill multiple people it will have to be a one off mass shooting or move out into the sticks with no wifi
According to the FBI, there are an estimated 20–50 active serial killers in the United States at any given time, though some researchers put the number much higher, even up to 500.

Modern surveillance doesn’t eliminate the threat. Serial killers can and do adapt. They can target areas with poor CCTV coverage, strike in remote locations, or destroy cameras and recordings. There’s still no shortage of vulnerable spaces.

Take the example from the movies Manhunter and Red Dragon: Francis Dolarhyde, a serial killer who invades homes at night and murders entire families while they sleep. He’s a physically imposing offender who overpowers victims before they can react. I know this is a fictional example, but a criminal with that method and profile could absolutely operate today. Many homes remain susceptible, especially those in isolated areas. In the films and books, Dolarhyde studied his victims in advance and used his job at a video lab to gain access to footage inside their homes. Fewer people use video labs today though. But some post videos on unsecured social media sites.

And as forensic science advances, offenders evolve as well. Serial killers today would focus on disposing of bodies in ways that destroy or obscure DNA evidence, making detection far more difficult.

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #44 on: Today at 03:12:47 AM »
According to the FBI, there are an estimated 20–50 active serial killers in the United States at any given time, though some researchers put the number much higher, even up to 500.
Hanky would scare them to death !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111   ;D

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Re: Who wins in a fight Richard Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer?
« Reply #45 on: Today at 03:59:32 AM »
Late 60's-early 90's was the heyday for serial killers. What caused so many in those decades?

Honestly, I think the biggest things that stopped them were DNA tech, national databases, and camera surveillance. You still get budding serial killers, but they get stopped in one or two murders. Most of the older ones would've been caught years ago too, as they had criminal records and left messy crime scenes usually.

The serial killer morphed into the spree killer now.